Howgarts wizards versus Sidious and the Jedi Order...

You wanna keep it real? Characters can only use powers they were SHOWN using? Then we have to stay accurate as to HOW they used that power, the range of it, etc;

Agreed?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Vader force choked in ESB, not the PT. 😄 Voldy legilimens a Jedi, learns Vaders location, apparates there, death spell.

Next?

How did I know you were going to respond with something similar to "not in ROTS"

You must've missed the bit when I said impenetrable room.

See how the scripting works. Great eh?

And you missed my reply.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really now? Then who were those two death eaters who attacked the burrow with fiendfyre?

YouTube video

Nice try, but that's not fiendfyre. On top of that, Fiendfyre doesn't even exist yet in the movies. 313

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Oh you'll LET me, eh? You dont have a choice, he is shown using it, dude.

No he's not. He is most certainly NOT shown using it. Fiendfyre dosen't even exist as a spell in the HP movies, yet. It wasn't called fiendfyre in the book, and it wasn't designated or incanted as fiendfyre in the movies. Therefore, we can't definitively call it fiendfyre. However, it had a creature in it, which is a trait of fiendfyre. Therefore, I will allow you to give Voldemort the ability to use Fiendfyre.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No sir, at least four were shown using it.

Incorrect. You lie. No one has been shown using fiendfyre in ANY of the films. That doesn't occur until deathly hallows. Nice try.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit. I just posted a question in the other thread:

One more thing. A Jedi is facing a wall of flame, just regular fire. It is thirty feet high and 50 feet wide, and it is bearing down on him. He does a force push. Nothing in the movies indicate that the entire wall of flame would stop. Nothing was ever shown that implied that a Jedi can adjust the radius of his force push from, let's say one foot to 20 feet. All this talk about how a Jedi can stop an entire wall of fiendfyre is rubbish without proof that a Jedi can decide how wide his force attack will be.

Now, the scene where Yoda grabs the pillar to save Obi Wan and Anakin in AOTC is not a good example. Yoda could have been focusing his force power on the center of the solid object, therefore holding the entire pillar in the air.

You typed all of that just to end up with forgetting that the fire is very very light and well within the TK ability of even young padawans.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whats so hard about a charm, how is it different than learning a curse?/B]

Prove that it was used in any duel, from any of the films. Then, that particular person can use it in the fight. Other than that, it isn't usable in a fight, and it will not be allowed. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]You talking about where Vader went emo and yelled no?

No, not at all. That doesn't even address what I was talking about. Did you mess up quote tags?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Crabbe, a subpar student, tried to use it, not an adult death eater.

Oh, so now he's no longer a deatheater, huh? Nice try. He's a deatheater. And, in Deathly Hallows, he's in his last year (7th year), which, btw, isn't required.

Despite him being what you called subpar, he still did well enough to pass each year, meaning he obviously is NOT subpar.

On top of that, one of the most powerful magical users in the HP series, Hermione Granger, said it was too dangerous for her to use. She's the top of her class. 😐

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They learned the dark arts from someone, dude. Where did Bellatrix and Fenrir learn fiendfyre?

1. Fenrir never used fiendfyre.
2. Bellatrix never used fiendfyre.
3. You're trying to give Voldemort credit for something he not only didn't do in the movies, he also didn't do them in the books.
4. Fiendfyre is not dark magic.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maces force crush was NOT shown in the PT.

No sir. Mace was never shown using force crush in the PT.

We are past that:

Read this again:

Originally posted by dadudemon
if Mace didn't do it, he doesn't use it.

...it wasn't actually done in the movies, despite a tie-in into the movies, so I say it is always up to the thread starter decide. You've decided already, so it isn't in.

Know this: any thread I create with Mace, he will have that ability.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's called common sense, man. Why would the other deatheaters know it?

Knowing of it and successfully using it are two completely different things. The Sorcerer's Stone clearly show us that even very very simply levitation spells take a while to get right. You can't simply say "fiendfyre" and presto, it works for you.

The fact remains that no one has been shown using fiendfyre as that isn't established until Deathly Hallows. That's not out yet. It can't be used until then. 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm Trying to weasel out of the Oppugno, eh? Sorry, it is a classroom spell, man. Wizards all went to school, Charms is a required course.

Sorry, no one was ever shown using charms in battles. They can't be used. You can't arbitrarily give people feats they didn't have. That's against the rules. I already supplied two very poignant reasons why charms aren't used in the middle of battle. That coupled with the fact that they aren't used in battle is the end of it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[Besides, like I said, she could simply tell them the charm before they leave.

"Knowing of it and successfully using it are two completely different things. The Sorcerer's Stone clearly show us that even very very simply levitation spells take a while to get right. You can't simply say "fiendfyre" and presto, it works for you."

Why would this be any different for charms, which were shown on screen to be difficult to use by anyone except Hermione and Flitwick?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
One more time:

That's already been addressed by myself. Read back over my posts.

Fact is, multiple Jedi and Sith were seen using TK in different shapes. The answer to your question is both, and many other shapes as well.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nice try, but that's not fiendfyre. On top of that, Fiendfyre doesn't even exist yet in the movies. 313

No he's not. He is most certainly NOT shown using it. Fiendfyre dosen't even exist as a spell in the HP movies, yet. It wasn't called fiendfyre in the book, and it wasn't designated or incanted as fiendfyre in the movies. Therefore, we can't definitively call it fiendfyre. However, it had a creature in it, which is a trait of fiendfyre. Therefore, I will allow you to give Voldemort the ability to use Fiendfyre.

Incorrect. You lie. No one has been shown using fiendfyre in ANY of the films. That doesn't occur until deathly hallows. Nice try.

You typed all of that just to end up with forgetting that the fire is very very light and well within the TK ability of even young padawans.

Prove that it was used in any duel, from any of the films. Then, that particular person can use it in the fight. Other than that, it isn't usable in a fight, and it will not be allowed. 🙂

No, not at all. That doesn't even address what I was talking about. Did you mess up quote tags?

Oh, so now he's no longer a deatheater, huh? Nice try. He's a deatheater. And, in Deathly Hallows, he's in his last year (7th year), which, btw, isn't required.

Despite him being what you called subpar, he still did well enough to pass each year, meaning he obviously is NOT subpar.

Below average?

On top of that, one of the most powerful magical users in the HP series, Hermione Granger, said it was too dangerous for her to use. She's the top of her class. 😐

1. Fenrir never used fiendfyre.
2. Bellatrix never used fiendfyre.
3. You're trying to give Voldemort credit for something he not only didn't do in the movies, he also didn't do them in the books.
4. Fiendfyre is not dark magic.

We are past that:

Read this again:

Know this: any thread I create with Mace, he will have that ability.

Knowing of it and successfully using it are two completely different things. The Sorcerer's Stone clearly show us that even very very simply levitation spells take a while to get right. You can't simply say "fiendfyre" and presto, it works for you.

Fiendfyre!!!

The fact remains that no one has been shown using fiendfyre as that isn't established until Deathly Hallows. That's not out yet. It can't be used until then. 🙂

Pewpy balls burner.

Sorry, no one was ever shown using charms in battles. They can't be used. You can't arbitrarily give people feats they didn't have. That's against the rules. I already supplied two very poignant reasons why charms aren't used in the middle of battle. That coupled with the fact that they aren't used in battle is the end of it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's already been addressed by myself. Read back over my posts.

Fact is, multiple Jedi and Sith were seen using TK in different shapes. The answer to your question is both, and many other shapes as well.

Never, and I mean never, in ANY of the SW movies, is it implied that a force user can adjust the radius of their force attack. You cannot SEE the TK, therefore you cannot SEE it grabbing it's target. More speculation and second guessing on your part.

Movie footage that proves your bullshit theory, please. No? K.

Jedi cannot force push fiendfyre then. It will make a hole in the wall of fire, thats all.

Now that I think about it, Force push was never called force push, force choke was never called force choke, force jumP was never called force jump...speed, lightning, etc;...... And precog was never called precog.

According to DDM we cannot call them that anymore, k? Everyone got that? We have to make up new names for those powers because DDM has a twist in his knickers about fiendfyre.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, it has not been addressed, not properly.

Never, and I mean never, in ANY of the SW movies, is it implied that a force user can adjust the radius of their force attack. You cannot SEE the TK, therefore you cannot SEE it grabbing it's target. More speculation and second guessing on your part.

Movie footage that proves your bullshit theory, please. No? K.

Jedi cannot force push fiendfyre then. It will make a hole in the wall of fire, thats all.

Epic fail.

QKFfnRugouY&NR 3:25

You can wish all you want, but I've already addressed this point, and quite well. This is not debatable. Stop wasting my time.

Like I said, you didn't pay attention to that previous post of mine, or else you wouldn't be wasting my time with this lame-ass gimp point of yours.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Epic fail.

QKFfnRugouY&NR 3:25

You can wish all you want, but I've already addressed this point, and quite well. This is not debatable. Stop wasting my time.

Like I said, you didn't pay attention to that previous post of mine, or else you wouldn't be wasting my time with this lame-ass gimp point of yours.

Epic pwn, anti fail uber pwn.

Try again.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He stopped three rocks from hitting him, the radius of the force block was maybe three feet. Nothing suggests he adjusted the radius of his attack, and nothing suggests it would be enough to force push fiendfyre.

Epic pwn, anti fail uber pwn.

Try again.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Epic fail.

QKFfnRugouY&NR 3:25

You can wish all you want, but I've already addressed this point, and quite well. This is not debatable. Stop wasting my time.

Like I said, you didn't pay attention to that previous post of mine, or else you wouldn't be wasting my time with this lame-ass gimp point of yours.

And that's all you'll get on the subject, for ever more. Your inability to admit being wrong is not my problem.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He stopped three rocks from hitting him, the radius of the force block was maybe three feet. Nothing suggests he adjusted the radius of his attack, and nothing suggests it would be enough to force push fiendfyre.

Epic pwn, anti fail uber pwn.

Try again.

DDM, doesn't have to try again and neither do I..

YODA CLEARLY CONTROLS THE ROCKS AND THE OTHER DEBRIS AND THROWS THEM WHERE HE WANTS

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
DDM, doesn't have to try again and neither do I..

[b]YODA CLEARLY CONTROLS THE ROCKS AND THE OTHER DEBRIS AND THROWS THEM WHERE HE WANTS [/B]

If a Jedi tries to force push fire, all he will succeed in is making a hole in the wall of fire.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And that's all you'll get on the subject, for ever more. Your inability to admit being wrong is not my problem.

As I said, say Yoda DID adjust the size of his TK. Was it near enough to block a 100 foot wall of fiendfyre? Nope.

I rest my case.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nothing suggests he adjusted the radius of his attack

I would think that the fact that he stopped only three rocks and not all of them clearly suggests that he can control some radius with his attacks, but what do I know.

Originally posted by Scythe
I would think that the fact that he stopped only three rocks and not all of them clearly suggests that he can control some radius with his attacks, but what do I know.

So he stopped three rocks. That means, if it was his widest TK spread shown, he cannot TK spread beyond that.

No, DDM;s new thing is we cannot give powers to people who do not display them.

Example?

If Mace Windu never was SHOWN using force push, he cannot use it here, even though a lowly youngling can.

Also, Dumbledore cannot use "Oppugno" because he was never SHOWN using it, even though a student used it.

Stupid, eh? haermm

On that, we cannot exaggerate their powers either. They can use their powers on the same level as SHOWN in the movies, nothing more. Thats his new thing.

This is him weaseling out of accepting that most wizards of adult age can use Oppugno.

Also he is butthurt because he cannot prove,without a doubt, that a Jedi can produce a wall of TK big enough to force push fiendfyre. He thinks force push will strike fiendfyre as if it were a solid object.

It's reaching, man.

You are a moron. I've already said why Jedi can use Force Push instinctively etc. Saying that they cant is like saying they can't punch: Retarded.

Here ya go-

The Force is an extension of the Jedi him/herself. Think of it like another arm, of course you will be able to 'push' someone with that arm. And yes, this is provable, there are multiple examples of Jedi unconsciously using the Force without any training, much like how a child would instinctively use his hands for defense. Anakin set someone on fire, Zannah disintegrated an arm etc. An on-screen example of this is Luke using the Force to know where the droid would shoot with Kenobi merely telling him to focus in New Hope. Basic things like Force push are instinctive to a Jedi, but training is needed for advanced things, like how you need training to twirl a baton.

And Magic is nothing like this btw.

Wow.

RJ. Youre the one reaching in more ways than one.

Your full childish desire to throw all SW feats out the window, while you LITERALLY scrawl kiddy like pictures, has totally backfired now, hasnt it...? Cause now you look like a butthurt little seven year old crying, screaming and angrily scrawling crayola over his parent's walls to get revenge for being made to eat food and go to bed on time. And look Suzie.,,,you gone and pissed your knickers again...
How disappointing.

Any credibility that was there has now been yours is not rotting in the ass of the pooch you have screwed.

You deny black isnt white.

I you insist that white is black.

You insist Fiendfyre is useable despite MVF rules on "Screenfeats only".

Your arguement, like any young wizard's rectum after they passed out anywhere near you ever, is completely and totally destroyed.

I implore you, for your own rep's sake....see sense/stop trolling.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit, read what I just said.

No, sadly, it's not bullshit. You're a silly gimper; who resorts to scripting.

What you just said was nothing but more scripting, were you allow the wizards all the time they need to do whatever it is you imagine, while for some unknown and illogical reason, a small army of Jedi just sit by and watch, doing nothing.

You've also shown everyone how you lack basic knowledge of Star Wars and are repeatedly wrong about the nature of the Harry Potter spells.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And this has....what to do exactly with force pushing a wall of fiendfyre surrounding him? Nothing.

If a Jedi tries to force push fire, all he will succeed in is making a hole in the wall of fire.

Well since it is a fact that fiendfyre doesn't even exist yet onscreen so fiendfyre has no basis here