Chaos Vincent and Sephiroth vs. Link and Ganondorf

Started by fortinbross26 pages

Yet he still chose to disapear according to many books.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually no. He had every intention of killing Cloud, but was having too much fun playing with his food, rathe than killing it. Cloud pulled off an Omnislash and Seph got punked.

He had the intention of messing with Cloud according to the Comentaries. Not nessasarily killing him, it says no such thing.

He's messing with him, as in toying with him. He wasn't going to let Cloud live. 😬 He was just drawing out the kill for his own pleasure. ..Then his cockiness let Cloud pull off an omnislash, killing him.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
1. "Super" and "Supreme" in the same phrase? Wtf?

2. How many hundreds of attacks go through the simple raising of a weapon? Raising a weapon is not the same as defending, parrying, ect. All this proves is that Sephiroth is an incompetent swordsman for not stabbing Cloud in the face while he charges the attack.

3. Dissidia is about as canon as Smash Bros.

4. In an old thread someone once suggested that it paralyzes the target before impact. Fail.

1. I didn't make the name.

2. Lolwut? He attempts to BLOCK WITH HIS SWORD, the entirety of Cloud and Clouds sword goes THROUGH Sephiroths sword and Sephiroth. He would have split Cloud in half if Cloud wasn't using Omnislash and he is a competant swordsman, he is just a cocky sob.

3. That was not even apart of my discussion? But it is canon. As stated by the developers.

4. Fail by you? For bringing it randomly into this thread.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
She had to be protected somehow, since we also know characters like Cloud can hurt him. These two do not add up together. If Cloud and co can damage him and defeat both bizarro and seraph Sephiroth in FF7, it seems pretty obvious to me Sephiroth is not tanking any 30 megaton explosions.

No, you have no evidence of that.

Show me cloud and co doing damage to him physically outside of gameplay. (Not pre-nib as that is him before he takes over Jenova, even though being stabbed through the spine didn't hinder him at all).

They do defeat him but we don't know how, it was obviously a fight but what happened in the fight? I wager they defeated him using toothpicks! Or the incredibly powerful materia they have.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That argument holds no water. Cloud put him down in A.C., too. 😐

With a non-physical (It isn't physical Cloud is basically intangible during the attack) attack made especially to 'knock down\back'(Translated) will.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He's messing with him, as in toying with him. He wasn't going to let Cloud live. 😬 He was just drawing out the kill for his own pleasure. ..Then his cockiness let Cloud pull off an omnislash, killing him.

This is correct, Sephiroth had several times he could have killed Cloud but didn't. Making him super cocky.

And yet for some reason until that point Sephiroth was intentionally blocking all of Cloud's attacks.. Hmmmmm!? Could it be!? A sword can hurt Sephiroth?!.. Yes, yes it could.

The sword is actually a peice of Sephiroth formed from Jenova's cells. It even shows this in the movie when it comes out of the palm of his hand. So in reality he would be hurt even by blocking with his sword.

But yet again, it has stated in the Comentaries he didn't care weather Cloud would have died or not.
It does not say he was intentionaly trying to kill Cloud, It only says he was messing trying to mess with him, and let him know he was still there.

You're misconstruing that to mean what you want it to. Why bother stabbing the bastard if you have no intention of eventually killing him? Ofcourse, Sephiroth *meant* to lose the fight. 😬 You see the problem, right?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And yet for some reason until that point Sephiroth was intentionally blocking all of Cloud's attacks.. Hmmmmm!? Could it be!? A sword can hurt Sephiroth?!.. Yes, yes it could.

Can it? Proof pls, his body has survived much greater physical trauma.

His sword is not made of Jenova cells!

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're misconstruing that to mean what you want it to. Why bother stabbing the bastard if you have no intention of eventually killing him? Ofcourse, Sephiroth *meant* to lose the fight. 😬 You see the problem, right?

Because he knew the limits of someone who went through the SOLDIER process which makes them able to continue to fight when severely damaged, in fact they get more powerful due to the mako soaking. He was trying to give himself a challenge then BOOM a move you can't block.

His sword IS NOT made of Jenova cells PRE ADVENT CHILDREN. In AC it is formed out of his own mass it says this in several places. Jenova can shapeshift into anything, so your just saying Kadaj had his sword all along? No he didn't because it was formed of his own shapshifting abilities. Read the AC Comentaires.

Nope, Sephiroth creates everything with the NL.

Otherwise Sephiroth could have revived himself as soon as Kadaj went near Cloud and read his memories.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
1. I didn't make the name.

2. Lolwut? He attempts to BLOCK WITH HIS SWORD, the entirety of Cloud and Clouds sword goes THROUGH Sephiroths sword and Sephiroth. He would have split Cloud in half if Cloud wasn't using Omnislash and he is a competant swordsman, he is just a cocky sob.

3. That was not even apart of my discussion? But it is canon. As stated by the developers.

4. Fail by you? For bringing it randomly into this thread.

1. I didnt say you did. But the retardedness does not change.

2. YouTube video
Sephiroth shat himself, panicked, and failed. Both in FF7 and AC. As a matter of fact, in ACC, he actually blocked the first so called "soul striking" slash of Omnislash, so that argument is destroyed.

3. Show it to me in FF7.

4. No, fail by the guy who said it. Somebody's sensitive.

Read the AC Comentaries and the AC Reunion Files. It says quite the opposite actually.

I think it is clear that Omnislash CANNOT penetrate all defenses, whether it is a spiritual attack or not.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I think it is clear that Omnislash CANNOT penetrate all defenses, whether it is a spiritual attack or not.

Was not commenting on that, was commenting about how Sephiroth lost.

By the way he didn't create anything through the negative lifestream. It doesn't posses that ability. He even could create the sword in thin air back in the original FFVII. Before the Negative Lifestream even existed.

Okay, where do I start?

1) The Black Materia was absorbed by Sephiroth's body. We can see it attached to Safer Sephiroth's Jenova-wing.

2) Sephiroth's current body is 100% Jenova cells. And he can multiply it's cells so fast that a mere arm or leg of his body can turn into a giant monster in just a few seconds(he did it in FFVII). Not to mention that Bizarro Sephiroth(not 100% Jenova-cells yet) could regenerate portions of his body very quickly.

3) Omnislash Version 6 is a spiritual attack. That's why Cloud is intangible while performing it, and that's why he creates spiritual copies of himself to attack the target at the same time.
Ah, and we know when Omni. V.6 is being performed due to the blueish aura around Cloud's body. The same blueish aura that wasn't present when Sephiroth blocked his attack, meaning that Cloud's first strike was not Omni. V.6.

4) Sephiroth was casually holding back a life-wiper(Holy) while holding the party in the air and crushing their bodies.
That's far beyond holding a castle in the air.

5) Sephiroth can turn intangible.

6) The Masamune is composed of spiritual-energy, not Jenova-cells.

Originally posted by SHM

3) Omnislash Version 6 is a spiritual attack. That's why Cloud is [b]intangible while performing it, and that's why he creates spiritual copies of himself to attack the target at the same time.
Ah, and we know when Omni. V.6 is being performed due to the blueish aura around Cloud's body. The same blueish aura that wasn't present when Sephiroth blocked his attack, meaning that Cloud's first strike was not Omni. V.6.
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I lmao at this.

You say Cloud is intangible while performing Omnislash ver. 6.
You say that we know this by the blue aura enveloping Cloud.
Hence, Blue Aura = intangibility, according to your logic.

I say watch :45 - :55 of the video I posted and realize that you are flat out lying to these good people.

Also, Sephiroth blocking the Ver. 6 @ 1:10 - 1:15

i dont understand how you can be so closed minded link, its pretty obvious that cloud was in like 18 different places at once in that clip, you are using the fact that he used the words "blue aura" to blind the fact that there is much more in that video to support his claim

If "closed minded" means "wants facts", then yes I am. I just dont share in the shroud of delusion that some people wrap themselves in.

Let me expound; It took 28 seconds for Cloud to complete Omnislash version 6 from start to finish (I graciously knocked off 2 seconds of Sephiroth gasping in slow motion from the time)
You can do a lot of damage to someone in 28 seconds, and Omnislash is a featless waste of that time.

The point was that Sephiroth can become intangible, which since he had to block he clearly cannot.