theres at least 5/6 guys off-screen as Kain disapears as when you play the camera centers directly over Kain on the last guy he strikes which it didnt seem to do in that clip hence why I think theres another guy or two off the edge of the screen before the vid closes but yeh, its not hard math, quite simple....maybe Cub is joking or something.
Originally posted by Burning thought
theres at least 5/6 guys off-screen as Kain disapears as when you play the camera centers directly over Kain on the last guy he strikes which it didnt seem to do in that clip hence why I think theres another guy or two off the edge of the screen before the vid closes but yeh, its not hard math, quite simple....maybe Cub is joking or something.
Maybe Cub is thinking with the start-up time included. It takes longer for Kain to strike the first guy than 0.4 seconds.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Gotta stop throwing unrelated idioms at me, I want proof that the mist-regen feat is possible that isnt the normal mist move. As there's nothing to show it. (Seriously where did you get that i wanted proof for heartless body cold flesh things?) Air currents alone don't cause hurricanes.
What's answered? Look when M2 tightened his 'grip' the man does not move.
Yeah muscle and bones, no complex organ to replace. The hilt and the guard went all the way through him, wouldn't call 1/3 of the kidney, 1/4 of the stomach, half way through both intestines and a 5cm tear splitting the heart a tiny piece. Said area is now a hollow space.
One major attack where the barriers are used offensively. Besides that? Nothing. My statement was to highlight your negative point, we're pitting two different fictions against each other. Unless stated that magic>psychic barriers or with out proof this claim is baseless. If the barrier can protect from everything else you'll have to come up with a reason why magic is the exception.
So you agree about the cloud feat? Good. And you being on Kain side should be able to say why he is able to do this. Right argument against; No evidence to even suggest it. Never done it to anything not attached to him. No proof that the limbs are capable of anything when not attached. Good enough for now?
For humans its basic. That depends on how powerful he became, i dont know. Even if he didnt want to kill him he should of definitely tried to resist him. Sure resistance wouldn't ruin any plot.
Their adaptation would allow them to understand human speech not learn how to speak it. Where did you get 2k from? Understand yes, speak no. I can if you're willing to watch most of the series, pkmn adaptation is how they would act when in a foreign place eg from birth being able to understand, leaning how to speak is not needed as its not needed. These are the exceptions; Meowth learned, an ancient Gasty and Slowking can. Shows that pkmn don't have the normal ability without extensive learning (Im thinking its the mouth not being able to make the right sounds) And several others are able to speak via telepathy further proving that its because of their biology not to make human speech.
Yeah most of those can be variants in his world, magic itself is not an attack but what magic forms. Like if magic makes a flame its still a flame, if a magic ability is to control a mind its still mind control. You say hes never faced it so he cannot defend, but with what ive given it shows that the possibility are all there for M2. But if Kain has never faced moves like M2s, not mind attacks, how can you say he has resistance.
Doesnt matter how he fell in the end he turned to stone. Perhaps he dies while falling, either way its a killing move. How so? It was most likely a stronger Raziel in Defiance then he was in BO2.
1:75-1:10 is 2.5/5 = 0.5 seconds, 1:75-1:83 is 0.8 for the first strike. For averges sake it can also go down to 1:76-1:82 to get 0.6. Now 0.5, 0.7, 0.8 average 0.67 seconds but the first number is not the first strike that includes startup so its better to say 0.7, 0.8 to average 0.75. Whatever it becomes its above 0.4.
Originally posted by Cub
I am no physics professor but time and distance and travel are never static in combo. 5 hits in 2 seconds include time and distance and travel. You divided 5 hits with the full time it take for him to do them to extract the time it take to make 1 hit.Get it? 😛
Well, yes, it's taken into the account. It takes Kain about 0.8 seconds to teleport to a person and hit him/her out of start-up and roughly 0.4 if he's already performing the ability/combo. I don't think there's anything else to this.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Gotta stop throwing unrelated idioms at me, I want proof that the mist-regen feat is possible that isnt the normal mist move. As there's nothing to show it. (Seriously where did you get that i wanted proof for heartless body cold flesh things?) Air currents alone don't cause hurricanes.What's answered? Look when M2 tightened his 'grip' the man does not move.
Yeah muscle and bones, no complex organ to replace. The hilt and the guard went all the way through him, wouldn't call 1/3 of the kidney, 1/4 of the stomach, half way through both intestines and a 5cm tear splitting the heart a tiny piece. Said area is now a hollow space.
One major attack where the barriers are used offensively. Besides that? Nothing. My statement was to highlight your negative point, we're pitting two different fictions against each other. Unless stated that magic>psychic barriers or with out proof this claim is baseless. If the barrier can protect from everything else you'll have to come up with a reason why magic is the exception.
So you agree about the cloud feat? Good. And you being on Kain side should be able to say why he is able to do this. Right argument against; No evidence to even suggest it. Never done it to anything not attached to him. No proof that the limbs are capable of anything when not attached. Good enough for now?
For humans its basic. That depends on how powerful he became, i dont know. Even if he didnt want to kill him he should of definitely tried to resist him. Sure resistance wouldn't ruin any plot.
Their adaptation would allow them to understand human speech not learn how to speak it. Where did you get 2k from? Understand yes, speak no. I can if you're willing to watch most of the series, pkmn adaptation is how they would act when in a foreign place eg from birth being able to understand, leaning how to speak is not needed as its not needed. These are the exceptions; Meowth learned, an ancient Gasty and Slowking can. Shows that pkmn don't have the normal ability without extensive learning (Im thinking its the mouth not being able to make the right sounds) And several others are able to speak via telepathy further proving that its because of their biology not to make human speech.
Yeah most of those can be variants in his world, magic itself is not an attack but what magic forms. Like if magic makes a flame its still a flame, if a magic ability is to control a mind its still mind control. You say hes never faced it so he cannot defend, but with what ive given it shows that the possibility are all there for M2. But if Kain has never faced moves like M2s, not mind attacks, how can you say he has resistance.Doesnt matter how he fell in the end he turned to stone. Perhaps he dies while falling, either way its a killing move. How so? It was most likely a stronger Raziel in Defiance then he was in BO2.
1:75-1:10 is 2.5/5 = 0.5 seconds, 1:75-1:83 is 0.8 for the first strike. For averges sake it can also go down to 1:76-1:82 to get 0.6. Now 0.5, 0.7, 0.8 average 0.67 seconds but the first number is not the first strike that includes startup so its better to say 0.7, 0.8 to average 0.75. Whatever it becomes its above 0.4.
The normal mist move? lol, once again, the M2 Tking a basket is not his normal Tk move by your logic....this is just normal mist move, used in a different way.
With air currents you could move the clouds to an area thats the right temperature, atmospheric height etc for an irregular storm system to occur, if you used an unnatural wind to make sure something like a Cloud ended up where it shouldnt be it seems in Pokemon thats how they think M2 could have made a hurricane, its not my fiction or yours afterall.
Well thats because the man is in one place and not being moved by M2, why would he move again? illogical, this doesnt help your argument for it stopping powers btw, just looks like normal TK to me tbh.
Complex organ to replace? Dante does not replace any organs, he heals the small cuts made in his organs by a sharp blade which probably made a clean cut considering the speed it went into him. Unlike Kain who had to repair and completly create new skin, muscle and bone. Where are you getting the swords measurements from btw?
Well I am sorry but thats pathetic, all the attacks used on the barrier did little damage to the area and they fell quite quickly, having to be created, M2 even had to re-create it after being knocked into a crator.
Wrong, your debating incorectly because once again your using a negative, your almost saying we cant claim Santa does not exist or the boogey man just because we havnt seen them, in a debate that counts as a lack of evidence for their excistence just like the Psychic shield has a lack of evidence against magic, magic is an attack, the shield is the defence. Without feats the shield is useless.
Your argueing wrongly again, your going on and on about how limbs have to be attached to him (you cant seem to argue why) despite going against the logic of what Kain is or what the mist form does.
Maybe he did try and resist but was too weak after their fight, still doesnt help your argument tbh, your reaching.
Same sort of thing, they should with a high enough IQ be able to learn human words and speak them, afterall they can speak their own name in words humans understand, they obviously cannot grasp sentences and other very basic things. I thought Alakazam had like 2k IQ? You sound like your making this up based on your own opinion on Pokemon, and theres me thinking you had proof for your theory. They can say their own names in human, they should be able to form other words, you seem to trying to make up for their lack of intelligence.
Show evidence of these "varients" please. Yet if a flame is made by napalm it burns far fiercer and longer than a flame made by gas, very different outcomes depending on resource used to create the effect. Because the only moves M2 has other than mental attack is physical e.g. TK, which can be broken with greater physical strength or just by countering the physical nature of the move.
Assuming the startup misses M2, the second teleport would catch him as he teleports in, he wouldnt even be able to react and start his own teleport again since hes never reacted to a fraction of a second. (actually, M2 looking at the vids has been floored and smashed by obvious psychic moves from Mew so his reaction time is not too great, he may not even react fast enough to stop the first attack)
Also your assuming M2 knows Kain is coming for him, M2 is going to have to be pretty paranoid to think about teleport every time kain does.