Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cub, MewTwo is an incredibly powerful character 😛 Just because he's a pokemon doesn't deminish that. It's a shame he suffers from the stigma of being one though, he's actually an awesome character. If people didn't associate him with Pikachu he'd probably be much more respected.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Damn it went big again. Does not show unattached limbs doing it, if you say its 100% definite that he can then there must be solid undeniable proof. And as simply moving the clouds would not cause hurricane effects the air current idea does not make sense.Or is just unable to use his moves, and someone who stands by an impossible feat that has not been show does not have the right to say who is or isn't logical. Summoning the powers of an exploding sun is closer to hyperbole, this is not. Description in gameplay, shown in anime. The move is what it is.
Largest tear being around 5cm, through a heart that is around 10cm wide, among other parts of the body. And that parting is now only empty space as he has no heart meaning he only healed skin, muscle and a few ribs. Organs being severed in two, and as ive said only flesh was repaired on Kain.
Already proved that the barriers have not been shown breaking. Same as saying Kains magic as never penetrated a shield like this.
You think its reaching? Hurricane clouds most likely are cumulo-nimbus clouds at 2000-6000m high, if something moves fast far away it does not look as fast. With speeds around 150km/h, possibly in the first few seconds a third of that. No you've show him going in and out of mist not turning lost limbs into it, gap between the proof you have and what you claim is too big. And besides him being the strongest psychic pkmn, his type naturally being better resistant to other mental attacks.
Wow... So now you've been lowered to insulting the opposition? Bravo my friend bravo. Lets keep the 'higher then 5000IQ for M2 and Kain being average as a human but lets up it to 200IQ' (genius level) aside as thats too easy. Its actually 'cleanse' the world and replace the population with clones. Btw feline basically means cat. OR the fact that in a few weeks he made a that huge builden with lighting, fountains, stadium, also made a basement with a lab in it. One such machine in the lab was the cloning machine, that can fully clone/replicate a pkmn in literally a few seconds. The best minds before him at best cloned one spliced pkmn and had to wait for it to grow. Or the pokeballs that break the natural rules of normal ones. Kains intellectual reaction cost him a heart, best being understanding his effect on the timeline or something? Be lucky if he got to that 200IQ mark.
Heigh sentient levels of IQ not that far below the average human. I know its a very easy mistake on your behalf but humans are actually a different species to pkmn, so their adaptation skills are different. As shown in the anime if a pkmn truely has a desire to speak then they can, but that is as hard as a person learning japanese and arabic at the exact same time. And its a wast of time for them to want to as it take time out of their natural lives. One case it took more then a year of constant learning and sacrificed its basic instincts/abilities, not built into their system too do that. If a dolphin is the second smartest and cant say a word, and pkmn do things so much closer to human then a dolphin means that their IQ is not far off the average person, some being smarter. Eg; 5000IQ
Kains 0.25 (1/4 of a sec) teleport minus M2s now 0.62 to get 0.37 left. That -0.25 is for Kain to teleport to M2 as running would be too slow as the chances the time powers would be activated within slashing distance is low as M2 would avoid closed quarters. Said it 'wasnt' explosive, explosive would be blowing up the two buildens. That was just a concentrated psychic attack, which they only did twice.
Turned into stone, seems like a physical change. This would be comparing Kains physical defence vs M2s psychic offence, where M2 will win. Mewtwos chances increased now he's got the spoon :3
All fear the power of the spoon...
Thats irrelvent, unattached limbs are just as attached to his "spirit" as his body is, their both just cold unliving flesh. Neither would moving them through their molecules, although actually air currents are more likely to cause a hurricane, as moving the clouds in an irregular location could indeed do so.
Baseless, impossible? no....whats shown in anime is lifting one man, its specifics are not shown either.
He didnt just heal, he had to replace the piecies Raziel smashed out when he pulled the heart free, as well as all the flesh in-between, Dante heals small cuts in Organs from a sharp edge, chances are the edge of one piece of organ was already only a tiny distance away from the other.
No youve stated your opinion on what the barriers were shown to do, I am still not convinced they would be turned on and off so often just because thats what they wanted to do at the time. Thats a negative, negatives are ignored in a debate, positives are the source of argument otherwise I could just say Kain would be immune as M2 has never used his powers on a vampire like Kain.
From your vid the distance was not shown to be great, your assuming the rest. There is no gap at all, going in and out of mist is what he does, lost limbs going in and out of mist is the same, you would understnad that if you were not looking at Kain as if he was a flesh and blood entity who works on physical means.
IQ is obviously irrelevent for Pokemon or is gauged differently, they cannot grasp basic skills that young children can grasp. Kangercat then....not important really he stil looks to me more of a mouse, Mew certainly does. Kains intellectual reaction? what are you talking about? but yes him creating a plan that would change his fate, that of the world etc as well as working out for thousands of years how to do it, his age alone would likely secure him a higher intelligence or cleverness as his eons of existence would have given him a lot of time to learn, M2 on the other hand pretty much took a poor blunt approach and was used early on (giovanni) by humans.
Thats a bit of a copout, "pokemon are a different spiecies so they adapt differently" , your registering him through a human intelligence quotant so if you want to play the copout card and claim they seem stupid just because their a different speicies then ill play the same and say well if their stupid then their IQ is irrelvent as feats (or lack of) have shown. Lol it took a pokemon that long? so they are inferior intellectually, for all you know M2 may not even be able to adapt to Kain or his powers, all M2 has really shown of himself is a blunt edge. Yes and despite their IQ are still inferior, Allakazam has a big IQ doesnt he yet he probably cannot speak anything other than his own name?
If Kain uses dimentional teleportion I think i calculated somewhere that Kain can teleport and strike in far less time than that, then again I think anyone could, 0.4 is a lot of time for an attack or reaction. So concentrate psychic powers are useless physcially...
Stone? unlikely, only through colour unless theres an offical source that staes he was turned to stone? m2 will win based on what exactly? kain can take tonnes of sharp edged force from Raziel, several in a particulour area (his chest) and not even take a scratch or show any pain at all as if its nothing. M2 cant seem to damage rock around the area he attacks Mew and thats fercious assault.
kain will use that Spoon to take his time drinking the blood of Team 2 😛
Originally posted by Burning thought
Lacking the proof there, nowhere does it even hint this. There's more to form a hurricane, and yeah moving molecules means he is manipulating the clouds.
...baseless? Yep impossible. The anime is based on gameplay rules.
Didnt need to replace the area where the heart was as that area is not needed, not had to be 'patched up'. 5cm apart, and most were cut by the hilt which is more jagged. Dante had more organs, bones, muscle and flesh to heal.
Noo myself, others and yourself have seen the videos. The only time the shield goes down is when they collide together for offensive purposes. ''Its never protected him against magic'' youve kinda already said that, making the reason i said what i said.
Urm its a cloud... the lowest that type is at is 2000m 😬 Actually im looking at kain as a soul-based vampire that has a limb lying on the ground unable to by put back. That gap is indeed huge.
And from what evidence can they not grasp basic skills? *sigh*. Intellectual reaction meaning an obvious move would of killed him there and then if he was not for being a scion of balance (sp?), he didn't even try to stop him. If he has the original mind of a human then he has a limited learning capacity, even if he doesnt he hasnt shown, thats been mentioned, anything that is above Mewtwo. Age does not aways equal wisdom, there are hundreds of things in different universes that live for a long time but arnt tat much smarter then a person, example being all the almost all the retellings of vampires.
What that means is that if a person goes to another country its their instinct to try fit in with the surroundings of the people there. (learning the languade) So why should a pkmn need to learn language if the 'pkmn tongue' is the same everywhere. Adaptation is not all the same in species... and i never said they were stupid, did you mistake your words for mine again? Ahh you're so right, hey why dont you go and learn dolphin and get back to me. Once again its not built into a pkmns system to speak human. The fact that it did is impressive. Yes Mewtwo can adapt to his powers because they are not that vast, great or different to moves in his world. And for the third time this post; pkmn are not born to speak human, and 99.99999% of them have to need to.
Im giving teleport in general as that number in this fight for lack of real-time stats. Can you show these calculations? May want to look at the evidence given literally last post, M2s has shown strong physical effects and damage from his concentrated attacks, that particular one had its specific effects.
''Just looks like stone'' going back on your own words. Not really much else it could of been. And if if remember correctly Kain DID take life-threatening damage from Raziel, those three weak hits are not as good evidence as the heart video. Really hope this is the last time im gonna have to say this, those attacks were not ment to destroy the area but the target.
Kain with a spoon reminds me of Count Chocula >.> Kain can have his Reaver, Cloud his Buster, even Link with his Master sword.... But Mewtwo has the spoon 😉 Oh and it as very good melee and cutting power.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Lacking the proof there, nowhere does it even hint this. There's more to form a hurricane, and yeah moving molecules means he is manipulating the clouds....baseless? Yep impossible. The anime is based on gameplay rules.
Didnt need to replace the area where the heart was as that area is not needed, not had to be 'patched up'. 5cm apart, and most were cut by the hilt which is more jagged. Dante had more organs, bones, muscle and flesh to heal.
Noo myself, others and yourself have seen the videos. The only time the shield goes down is when they collide together for offensive purposes. ''Its never protected him against magic'' youve kinda already said that, making the reason i said what i said.
Urm its a cloud... the lowest that type is at is 2000m 😬 Actually im looking at kain as a soul-based vampire that has a limb lying on the ground unable to by put back. That gap is indeed huge.
And from what evidence can they not grasp basic skills? *sigh*. Intellectual reaction meaning an obvious move would of killed him there and then if he was not for being a scion of balance (sp?), he didn't even try to stop him. If he has the original mind of a human then he has a limited learning capacity, even if he doesnt he hasnt shown, thats been mentioned, anything that is above Mewtwo. Age does not aways equal wisdom, there are hundreds of things in different universes that live for a long time but arnt tat much smarter then a person, example being all the almost all the retellings of vampires.
What that means is that if a person goes to another country its their instinct to try fit in with the surroundings of the people there. (learning the languade) So why should a pkmn need to learn language if the 'pkmn tongue' is the same everywhere. Adaptation is not all the same in species... and i never said they were stupid, did you mistake your words for mine again? Ahh you're so right, hey why dont you go and learn dolphin and get back to me. Once again its not built into a pkmns system to speak human. The fact that it did is impressive. Yes Mewtwo can adapt to his powers because they are not that vast, great or different to moves in his world. And for the third time this post; pkmn are not born to speak human, and 99.99999% of them have to need to.
Im giving teleport in general as that number in this fight for lack of real-time stats. Can you show these calculations? May want to look at the evidence given literally last post, M2s has shown strong physical effects and damage from his concentrated attacks, that particular one had its specific effects.
''Just looks like stone'' going back on your own words. Not really much else it could of been. And if if remember correctly Kain DID take life-threatening damage from Raziel, those three weak hits are not as good evidence as the heart video. Really hope this is the last time im gonna have to say this, those attacks were not ment to destroy the area but the target.
Kain with a spoon reminds me of Count Chocula >.> Kain can have his Reaver, Cloud his Buster, even Link with his Master sword.... But Mewtwo has the spoon 😉 Oh and it as very good melee and cutting power.
You want proof that a heartless body resurrected through Kains soul is cold flesh? pfff, now youve started the whole "asking pointless" questions AKA red herring. More than moving molecules as well, all hes doing is pushing the clouds through air currents which he has actually done, unlike moving molecules.
Answered. Prove this, the man he lifted was moving, face, hands etc nowhere does it state he was held fast anyway.
He needs to replace the area around the heart, and the chest. most? not really, the hilt hardly went through him. He had "more" to heal if you count it like that, fact is a tiny piece ofall those organs was sliced, not actually pulled apart. Kain lost a larger area.
Yes and I have not seen it stated or shown M2 did it himself, when ever their barriers go down its often after a major attack. Its not protected him against magic, therefore you need to make my statement a positive by showing evidence to suggest it can.
Your simply making statements now, you cant even argue why Kain would be limited just because a limb is unattached, your simply saying its impossible which makes it obvious your looking at Kain from a physical perspective.
Speech is pretty basic, learning another language is pretty basic even for children. Your making the assumption he "could" have stopped him, although tbh your claim can be repelled just by claiming PIS, if Kain ripped Raziels head off at the start it would have ruined the plot and would have been out of character.
The pokemon tongue? amongst eachother sure but they would still you know, need to learn the tongue of the pople who have trained them sometimes from countless years, its ridiculous to try and aruge that something with the IQ of 2k or 5k could not understand humans and speak to them in their own tongue. Can show me evidence for your "Pokemon adaption" theory. M2 can understand humans and speak their language through telepathy, explain why other pokemon with at last near to human intellect cannot? vast, great or different? most of them are powers he has never faced, magic in generla he has not facted nor the effects such as blood manip, soul powers, pure energy and mind control. The only one he could prob understand is lightning which btw is from the heavens, therefore prob faster than he can react to.
Not really, the colour is of stone, on the other hand the sound Ash makes when he touches the ground and the overall movement he makes as if falling loose as if he was just as malleable as he was orginally makes me wonder if it does anything apart from outright kill him. Those "weak" attacks are vastly more power than strength than shown in the "heart" scene.
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At 1:075-1:10 Kain strikes 5 guys, so 5/ 2 seconds means kain can stike 1 guy in 0.4 seconds.