Originally posted by Burning thought
Would require him to manipulate the clouds to form a hurricane not just push them. Hand movement was just for then added concentration, it is big and all. All it takes to move most for M2 would be like moving everything else, grab its substance.
Already said one way to stop it, a stronger TK counter. Fact is it can and does. Psychic come from the mind, pkmn caught cannot use psychic moves. Thus mental moves are made useless.
You just based this paragraph of the fact that i used the word immobile? Fixed, static, whatever... even binding the target IS the logical thing that M2 can do. Disable in a way blocks of the link to thought and action.
Conciousness in not physical, more like it makes then scraps. Metal- page 12 post by Rapidash at 0:15 and 1:06. Hand in the chest beaks a few ribs, takes a chunk off of his unneeded liver top right ab and right pectoral muscles and obviously the heart. Alastor cutting ish 35cm diagonally by 2/5cm horizontally; Most of the abs and both pecs, the liver, stomach, trachea stopping the lungs, both intestines the sternum, spine and the heart. Healed and recovered more faster then Kain, it would be more impressive if he could die in his world from heart removal. As he cant, not dieing like that is not that great. (Inner fanboy rant sorry.)
^ Agrees with those posts above. All being harder to TK then mist. The pkmn volts produced are maybe 1/100 to 1/50 lightning volts. Cant find it right now, sure its on one of the earlier posts.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Would require him to manipulate the clouds to form a hurricane not just push them. Hand movement was just for then added concentration, it is big and all. All it takes to move most for M2 would be like moving everything else, grab its substance.Already said one way to stop it, a stronger TK counter. Fact is it can and does. Psychic come from the mind, pkmn caught cannot use psychic moves. Thus mental moves are made useless.
You just based this paragraph of the fact that i used the word immobile? Fixed, static, whatever... even binding the target IS the logical thing that M2 can do. Disable in a way blocks of the link to thought and action.
Conciousness in not physical, more like it makes then scraps. Metal- page 12 post by Rapidash at 0:15 and 1:06. Hand in the chest beaks a few ribs, takes a chunk off of his unneeded liver top right ab and right pectoral muscles and obviously the heart. Alastor cutting ish 35cm diagonally by 2/5cm horizontally; Most of the abs and both pecs, the liver, stomach, trachea stopping the lungs, both intestines the sternum, spine and the heart. Healed and recovered more faster then Kain, it would be more impressive if he could die in his world from heart removal. As he cant, not dieing like that is not that great. (Inner fanboy rant sorry.)
^ Agrees with those posts above. All being harder to TK then mist. The pkmn volts produced are maybe 1/100 to 1/50 lightning volts. Cant find it right now, sure its on one of the earlier posts.
Well all we see him do is push them, thats all they do is move from him TK probing so either Pokemon has an unusual universe where hurricanes are made by pushing clouds OR he did it to a lot of clouds which sped up or such manipulations of a cloud somehow mix up the weather enough to create a hurricane.
You assumed this I take it? just like the no limit fallacy based around it stopping Magic? M2 has to enter an entities mind to stop it from doing non physical actions, otherwise a physical attack wouldnt stop them from doing it, simple fact. Kain is immune to such probing.
Same as above.
All in all, Kain gets a huge chunk torn from his chest and heals, Dante gets a sharp edge thats not half as thick or as large as the area lost on Kains chest, technically he has to heal a smallish cut through all his organs wheras Kain heals together his whole chest.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Are you saying mist is heavy?
No, I agree M2 could blow the Mist around if he attempted to, were argueing whether or not he can grip the molecules that make up the Vapour of Kains mist, obviously there is no evidence to suggest he can do anything more than use wind currents.
Originally posted by Burning thought
OR he manipulated the clouds 😐 simple, logical and in his power.
Pkmn world, stronger fire beats weaker fire, stronger beam beats weaker beam, stronger TK beats weaker TK. Last one is in most universes. Already said how mental attacks are useless, no probe required. Creating a block between thoughts and action is not a mental assault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_1kETIVweo 0:36, all mentioned was cut in half by a 35 by 3cm blade/hilt. More lost on his part like growing a new spine...
Seems like you've run low on backing Kain up, deciding to quit?
Originally posted by BloodRain
OR he manipulated the clouds 😐 simple, logical and in his power.Pkmn world, stronger fire beats weaker fire, stronger beam beats weaker beam, stronger TK beats weaker TK. Last one is in most universes. Already said how mental attacks are useless, no probe required. Creating a block between thoughts and action is not a mental assault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_1kETIVweo 0:36, all mentioned was cut in half by a 35 by 3cm blade/hilt. More lost on his part like growing a new spine...
Seems like you've run low on backing Kain up, deciding to quit?
Not within his power, hes never been shown to grab molecules, all baseless asumption or deductions. He just slowly moved them, thats it, thats all we know.
Ofc it is, its attempting to block off a portion of the targets mind and your still assumping and the whole move is hyperbole anyway.
A new spine, based on the sounds and the slight angle to the sword it looks like it did not actually break his spine. Either way he did not actually lose anthing unlike Kain, the blade and the hilt would have pushed the wounds further apart but Kain actually lost tissue which he re-knitted ,a huge amount of it.
I dont need to back Kain up since tehcnically your main arguments are based on major assumptions around whether he can hold molecules/vapour constantly which is never shown, and Kain still only has to do the same to M2, a simple mental attack and M2 would be destroyed mentally, or he could use any of his powers. Technically theres still no counter for early teleportation or time powers.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Like how we know Kain can do the mist-regen feat, which is a better example of hyperbole. Already done with those 3 elements and has show doing complex tasks.
Now you're just throwing that word around. Cutting off the cord to his pool of powers doest enter the mind.
'01 ps2 games weren't known for there specific sound effects, that length and width down the centre of the body broke, shattered or snapped his spine. Kain lost an unimportant organ that would not of killed him as he cant die like that :/ 'torn' not 'pushed', if it were a normal stab then what you said would be partly true.
And your only comeback is some magic that would be useless here and a just made up mist-regen move that has at best very little evidence evidence but more importantly no possible assumptions to back it up. Feat has been shown but you wont believe it, sorry but thats not my problem. Now you're trying to assume that the strongest mind in his universe has 0 defence from attack? And by Kain?
Yeah we already went through that. Time powers work in a 20m radius where in a fight would be arouund the distance Mewtwo would be using, teleport out of the area etc. Putting a teleporter vs a teleporter is a waste of time. For the hell of it i may as well add in the last attack that could turn him into a stone like substance.
(Wonders if the spoon is available...`,`)
Originally posted by BloodRain
Like how we know Kain can do the mist-regen feat, which is a better example of hyperbole. Already done with those 3 elements and has show doing complex tasks.Now you're just throwing that word around. Cutting off the cord to his pool of powers doest enter the mind.
'01 ps2 games weren't known for there specific sound effects, that length and width down the centre of the body broke, shattered or snapped his spine. Kain lost an unimportant organ that would not of killed him as he cant die like that :/ 'torn' not 'pushed', if it were a normal stab then what you said would be partly true.
And your only comeback is some magic that would be useless here and a just made up mist-regen move that has at best very little evidence evidence but more importantly no possible assumptions to back it up. Feat has been shown but you wont believe it, sorry but thats not my problem. Now you're trying to assume that the strongest mind in his universe has 0 defence from attack? And by Kain?
Yeah we already went through that. Time powers work in a 20m radius where in a fight would be arouund the distance Mewtwo would be using, teleport out of the area etc. Putting a teleporter vs a teleporter is a waste of time. For the hell of it i may as well add in the last attack that could turn him into a stone like substance.(Wonders if the spoon is available...`,`)
Not really, just another use of an ability that is pretty much doing what I am claiming it can do, your claiming M2 can do things based off of assumption. Complex tasks does not=holding molecules and hes not been shown holding molecules of anything, assumption.
The cord comes from his mind, otherwise you tell me where this imaginary cord comes from? (your term afterall, not the moves).
Impossible, he wouldnt have been able to have even got up if it broke his spine, or severed it. Either way Kain still just regenerated the huge hole in his chest, and still the wound made on Dante was tiny in comparison to that on Kain.
Useless? not really, most of it could either 1 hit M2 or incapacitate him and mist regen is what he does all the time, I just thought outside the box, argueing against that is like argueing agasnt M2 being able to lift a basket again even though his Tk would obviously be capable. Youve not shown the feat your claiming, youve shown him moving guys around with TK, youve shown him moving clouds slowly with hand movements but your the one claiming the sicence behind it, not the film itself. The strongest mind in his universe is also inferior at actual mind control (no feats of) and indeed, has no mental defence, what you just said is like asking incredulously if you think a 10k year old vampire would ever be outsmarted by a cross between a mouse and a kangaroo whos only practice has been on dull minded creatures whos voacab is to say their own name. M2 cant teleport out of the area if his actions are slowed, including his mental reactions. Just looks like stone, we dont really know what happened, it was unusual, although I must say I am amused that you think M2 could possibly harm Kain with any of his attacks when Ash, a 10 year old boy can take no actual "physical damage" (he died sure but he didnt explode or have any scratch on his body) from the combined assault of m2 and mew.
Originally posted by Burning thought
If it defiantly can do what you said there must be solid proof not your assumptions. I on the other hand has at least a video showing it being done.
The 'cord' is basically the door to the stored powers, that is now locked. Trying to think of a simple way to describe it to you. In the end that's what happens and Kain wont be able to use his powers.
'Improbable' in the DMC world, demon energy does wonders for the body. Size, area and damage is higher for Dante.
Most being prevented by barrier. Difference it is only obvious to you that its within his power. Slowly? Clouds are huge and far away so that speed was fast, speed up to 150km/h. You've seen the vid, he TKs the clouds. No feats of does not mean unable to, as Kain has no feats of getting out of TK, resisting Disable or rehearing limbs. Dont get mad ant take it out on M2, and he's technically feline. To start with Mewtwo is so much smarter then Kain, calling him a genius would be an insult, and because there not skilled vocally they must be weak minded? If for instance a teleport takes a quarter of a sec (step down from instant) and the slowdown slows by 60% then it makes 0.6secs, giving Kain 0.4secs to make a damaging blow. Said attack obviously wasnt used as an explosive attack, hence the effects. Being 10 or a human child, whatever doesn't mean Kain cant be effected. Unless your logic is that any attack a child goes through Kain can survive...
Originally posted by BloodRain
If it defiantly can do what you said there must be solid proof not your assumptions. I on the other hand has at least a video showing it being done.The 'cord' is basically the door to the stored powers, that is now locked. Trying to think of a simple way to describe it to you. In the end that's what happens and Kain wont be able to use his powers.
'Improbable' in the DMC world, demon energy does wonders for the body. Size, area and damage is higher for Dante.
Most being prevented by barrier. Difference it is only obvious to you that its within his power. Slowly? Clouds are huge and far away so that speed was fast, speed up to 150km/h. You've seen the vid, he TKs the clouds. No feats of does not mean unable to, as Kain has no feats of getting out of TK, resisting Disable or rehearing limbs. Dont get mad ant take it out on M2, and he's technically feline. To start with Mewtwo is so much smarter then Kain, calling him a genius would be an insult, and because there not skilled vocally they must be weak minded? If for instance a teleport takes a quarter of a sec (step down from instant) and the slowdown slows by 60% then it makes 0.6secs, giving Kain 0.4secs to make a damaging blow. Said attack obviously wasnt used as an explosive attack, hence the effects. Being 10 or a human child, whatever doesn't mean Kain cant be effected. Unless your logic is that any attack a child goes through Kain can survive...
Kain goes from flesh to mist and back again in a lot of videos, including those I have shown, hell its his default dodge move. No youve shown that M2 can move clouds, your assumption is that hes somehow moving the molecules based on nothing really and my assumption is that he is using air currents based on it would be simple to move a cloud with control over pushes which M2 has actually done and his hand movements make it look like he is pushing it, not grabbing its molecules.
No in the end Kain just gets phyiscally restrained, thats all the move shows through M2 psychic powers, the only other alternative and possible way he could alter the use of abilities is to mentally attack, impossible to Kain. Your trying to make things work for your side of the argument based on a lack of logic and more so a gameplay mechanic, the moves own description is hyperbole in this situation and does not actually help you.
Size? no its the size of a blades edge, very small....damage? not really, he has partings in his flesh, a fairly small parting in comparison to the huge chunk missing on Kains chest. The only part that goes into Dante that compares or comes close to the size that goes into Kain is the swords hilt which only pretty much touches to top of his chest, he still does not lose any flesh. Dantes organs have slits in them, all he does is knit them together on the other hand Kain loses a huge chunk suddenly from his body and he repairs the whole area, including where flesh was lost.
Barrier as shown cannot even protect from Mews attacks which cannot damage the rock surrounding M2 when his attacks land, the barrier is fairly weak, not to mension its never protected against magic, a psychic/physical wall protecting against a spiritual/magical entity is not likely, the only thing it may stop is Kains slashes and physical attacks.
Dont reach, the clouds were moving extremely slowly as was M2 hand movements, it also took quite a while. No feats? everything I have stated comes from Kain using a power we have seen, we know he has mist form and can go into and out of it at all, we know he can teleport etc, these powers allow him to do the things I have stated,on the other hand theres no reason to belive anything M2 has can defend against a mental attack which btw is very different in nature to a physical one as at least a physical attack, even one youve never faced before has certainly boundries e.g. physical strength.
Smarter than Kain? based on what exactly? Kain has done far more clever feats than M2 whos plans all seem very blunt, infact for all his apprent "genius" the kangermouse has no better plan than the kind of supervillain you get in stereotypical shows. "I will destroy the world and then rule it! muhahaha!" hardly sound like a Genius 😛 .
They have a huge IQ yet all they do is speak their own name? give me a break young children can learn other languages, hell a few weeks in another country and you can learn quite a lot about other languages yet after all the time pokemon spend with thier trainers they cannot speak more than their own name, thats pathetic, its like their IQ is based solely on the powers they have (moving objects with the mind AKA Tk), their decision making and learning processes are still perhaps just about equel to infant save M2 ofc.
0.4 seconds? surely its still gives kain 0.6 seconds to make a slash, I dont know why he would lose 0.2 secs...thats more than enough time since its not like Kain is going to teleport and stand around doing nothing through the moments he has, chance are he would start a slash as he teleports. Explosive attack? it was just a blast, thats all we see them do throughout the battle..what are you assuming their using in that scene then?
It means a small child can take no physical damage from the attack, considering Kain is mentally immune and physically superior chances are he will not even be harmed since those two elements are what M2 uses.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Or is just unable to use his moves, and someone who stands by an impossible feat that has not been show does not have the right to say who is or isn't logical. Summoning the powers of an exploding sun is closer to hyperbole, this is not. Description in gameplay, shown in anime. The move is what it is.
Largest tear being around 5cm, through a heart that is around 10cm wide, among other parts of the body. And that parting is now only empty space as he has no heart meaning he only healed skin, muscle and a few ribs. Organs being severed in two, and as ive said only flesh was repaired on Kain.
Already proved that the barriers have not been shown breaking. Same as saying Kains magic as never penetrated a shield like this.
You think its reaching? Hurricane clouds most likely are cumulo-nimbus clouds at 2000-6000m high, if something moves fast far away it does not look as fast. With speeds around 150km/h, possibly in the first few seconds a third of that. No you've show him going in and out of mist not turning lost limbs into it, gap between the proof you have and what you claim is too big. And besides him being the strongest psychic pkmn, his type naturally being better resistant to other mental attacks.
Wow... So now you've been lowered to insulting the opposition? Bravo my friend bravo. Lets keep the 'higher then 5000IQ for M2 and Kain being average as a human but lets up it to 200IQ' (genius level) aside as thats too easy. Its actually 'cleanse' the world and replace the population with clones. Btw feline basically means cat. OR the fact that in a few weeks he made a that huge builden with lighting, fountains, stadium, also made a basement with a lab in it. One such machine in the lab was the cloning machine, that can fully clone/replicate a pkmn in literally a few seconds. The best minds before him at best cloned one spliced pkmn and had to wait for it to grow. Or the pokeballs that break the natural rules of normal ones. Kains intellectual reaction cost him a heart, best being understanding his effect on the timeline or something? Be lucky if he got to that 200IQ mark.
Heigh sentient levels of IQ not that far below the average human. I know its a very easy mistake on your behalf but humans are actually a different species to pkmn, so their adaptation skills are different. As shown in the anime if a pkmn truely has a desire to speak then they can, but that is as hard as a person learning japanese and arabic at the exact same time. And its a wast of time for them to want to as it take time out of their natural lives. One case it took more then a year of constant learning and sacrificed its basic instincts/abilities, not built into their system too do that. If a dolphin is the second smartest and cant say a word, and pkmn do things so much closer to human then a dolphin means that their IQ is not far off the average person, some being smarter. Eg; 5000IQ
Kains 0.25 (1/4 of a sec) teleport minus M2s now 0.62 to get 0.37 left. That -0.25 is for Kain to teleport to M2 as running would be too slow as the chances the time powers would be activated within slashing distance is low as M2 would avoid closed quarters. Said it 'wasnt' explosive, explosive would be blowing up the two buildens. That was just a concentrated psychic attack, which they only did twice.
Turned into stone, seems like a physical change. This would be comparing Kains physical defence vs M2s psychic offence, where M2 will win. Mewtwos chances increased now he's got the spoon :3
All fear the power of the spoon...