Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

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Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by quanchi112
He paused when asked if he could take the gems from him and said it would destroy the entire reality. You don't destroy your entire home when destroying a bee either. Even your own posts reek of bad logic.

I guess by your logic Odin>than the ig.


In scope yes if not in power. We're arguing scope here. The IG is universal.
And you miss the point of my beekeeper analogy. My point was that the LT was concerned for the safety of the Universe, the IG has nothing on him in power but if it was used against him it would **** up the universe something awful even if he was safe.

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't need multiversal feats to defeat the un. It's powerful enough to destroy an entire reality in a battle with the Lt. That means it can pose a problem to the judge of the multiverse. You're falsely painting one feat as some horrid way of proving it can defeat the ig when it simply isn't the case.
Just from the first sentence, it's painfully evident you're still hopelessly confused or unilaterally ignorant. This is not about whether a UN-user can beat an IG-user. Your continued stupidity, or in the alternate, your continued recalacitrance to accept that fact doesn't imbue your arguments with any substance at all. Read the underlined statement.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The ig can manipulate the energies, see the opponent's move before it happens, freeze them in time, etc.
In the context of this debate, this is either a wholly stupid statement, or absolutely irrelevant. You can decide which it is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Lt turned it off with Warlock's approval don't act like he can easily render the gems impotent when a user is wielding them without having to defeat the user before doing so.
Warlock didn't approve anything. You have no evidence to suggest that LT couldn't act without Warlock's approval.
Originally posted by quanchi112
K, well Infinity is the flip side of Eternity and Eternity has always been described as having the most control over 616 until Thanos wielded the gems so Infinity being brought up is useless.
So don't bring it up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In terms of a battle an ig wins. The ig can't effect the multiverse but it can defeat the un in it's own universe.
Wholly stupid statement, or absolutely irrelevant assertion. Try to keep up with the rest of us, k?

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, then you have some sort of proof that the Eternity that the IG beat was in fact not multi-eternity? Please post the relevant scans that say such a thing. You agree Eternity is multiversal correct?
You need to show me proof that the 616 Eternity in Infinity Gauntlet was Multi-Eternity. I'm not proving a negative. I agree that Multi-Eternity is multiversal.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Furthermore, what do you think Thanos meant when he specifically said Thanos of Titan isn't just God of this universe but ALL universes. That seems to very clearly imply a multiversal power doesn't it? This was also said in various ways throughout the story. So, your saying still that it's not multiversal?
One single throw-away line that probably refers to universes/dimensions within the 616 universe, e.g., Microverse, Mojoverse, Limbo, Darkforce Dimension, the Negative Zone, Mephisto's realm, Nightmare's realm, etc. And it was one single throw-away line in Infinity Quest. The fact that only 616 versions of Abstracts and Heroes are involved and we never see alternate Marvel Universes or alternate versions of entities/characters should compel you to not place absolute faith in that one single throw-away line. Especially when the rest of the story and all subsequent references to the IG talk about universe, in the singular.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, the IG merged two universes together. It matters not whether the CCU made the alternate universe. What matters is that the IG effortlessly merged the universes together. Something the CCU would've taken a lot longer to accomplish. So, your saying the IG wasn't manipulating two universes at the same time when merging them?
It's extremely arguable that only a mirror reality was created by the CCU's, and not a whole new universe that would be substantially real enough to deserve its own numerical designation, e.g., 919-Universe. As I recall, Magus referred to it as an dark reflection of this actuality/reality. The IG was only manipulating the 616-Universe into becoming a dark reflection of itself by using the dark reflection reality created by the CCU's.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The UN fired and but with a thought it was reversed. Please explain to me.. what happened in that panel.. The UN as you claim is multiversal (agreed) I feel the IG is multiversal and feel I have shown evidence for that. Thus its your claim that a device with so much more scope and scale vs something in your opinion is only universal.. completely shit stomped it after letting it fire. Please explain how this is possible and what happened?

Just to be clear... I'm arguing that the IG is multiversal but am not arguing that the IG has done something on the scale of what the UN has. Never been my argument.

The UN created a pinpoint sphere of nullification that Quasar got pulled into because Quasar sucked with it and took too long. What you also may be forgetting is that Quasar was purposefully trying to limit the scope of the power of the UN, because he knew it could destroy everything.

Magus beat Quasar. I can kill a guy holding an assault rifle with a handgun (especially if he sucks at using the rifle), but that doesn't make the handgun more powerful than the rifle.

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Warlock willingly surrendered the ig to the Lt. That's exactly what happened on panel. You can disagree if you want to, but it's just you denying what actually happened in the comic.

You originally brought up Infinity. It was rather pointless.

Again, based on the horrible logic sported in this thread a multiversal threat>universal threat.

I still think the ig is more powerful. I don't see the un being something that would make the Lt pause like the ig has.

Again, the un was in the story as was Galactus and the un was never referenced as being more powerful than the ig or capable of defeating an ig user.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by quanchi112
Warlock willingly surrendered the ig to the Lt. That's exactly what happened on panel. You can disagree if you want to, but it's just you denying what actually happened in the comic.

You originally brought up Infinity. It was rather pointless.

Again, based on the horrible logic sported in this thread a multiversal threat>universal threat.

I still think the ig is more powerful. I don't see the un being something that would make the Lt pause like the ig has.

Again, the un was in the story as was Galactus and the un was never referenced as being more powerful than the ig or capable of defeating an ig user.


By definition Multiversal>Universal. Its just that an incompetent multiversal can get beaten by a more competent universal. Batman can beat Superman on some occasions with the right prep but Batman isn't more powerful.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by quanchi112
Warlock willingly surrendered the ig to the Lt. That's exactly what happened on panel. You can disagree if you want to, but it's just you denying what actually happened in the comic.
ODG can certainly speak for himself, but i don't believe he's debating that part of the happening(s) in question.

anyone who read that particular arc understands warlock willingly surrendered the IG. however, there were absolutely no implications that LT would have been unable to "turn off" the IG, had warlock not willingly done so.

as LT himself stated to warlock: "i represent forces that dwarf even your might."

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
By definition Multiversal>Universal. Its just that an incompetent multiversal can get beaten by a more competent universal. Batman can beat Superman on some occasions with the right prep but Batman isn't more powerful.
So Odin beats the ig? I guess an incomplete ig got lucky against the un? Hmmmm.

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by quanchi112
Warlock willingly surrendered the ig to the Lt. That's exactly what happened on panel. You can disagree if you want to, but it's just you denying what actually happened in the comic.

You originally brought up Infinity. It was rather pointless.

Warlock was comatose after his struggle with Magus after the climax of Infinity War. That's when Living Tribunal turned it "off." I don't know what scene you're referring to where Warlock gave it up to LT first before LT could turn it off.

If you're going to recount events not just a few pages ago, get it straight at least. galactusishere brought up Infinity. I corrected him. Then you chimed in your two cents. So yes, you were the one who first brought it up in all direct conversations with me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, based on the horrible logic sported in this thread a multiversal threat>universal threat.

I still think the ig is more powerful. I don't see the un being something that would make the Lt pause like the ig has.

Again, the un was in the story as was Galactus and the un was never referenced as being more powerful than the ig or capable of defeating an ig user.

Yes, a multiversal threat > universal threat. Sorry you think that's horrible logic. 🙄

Who cares. That's not proof, that's your opinion.

Too bad it's been shown that the UN is indeed more powerful than the IG. Ignorance is bliss over on your side of the fence, isn't it? And for the last faluggin time, this isn't about whether a UN-user can defeat an IG-user. Stupid or recalcitrant? Pick one.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by quanchi112
So Odin beats the ig? I guess an incomplete ig got lucky against the un? Hmmmm.

Odin isn't multiversal, his death may have been a multiversal event but that's it. Stop trying to sound clever, its not something in your repertoire.

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Originally posted by shokosugi
quan just give up.
If you knew me you wouldn't waste your time telling me to give up. I never give up, ever.

Ig beats this d lister ca anyways.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you knew me you wouldn't waste your time telling me to give up. I never give up, ever.

Ig beats this d lister ca anyways.


Superman is a D-lister? Then who the hell is in your A-list? Oh wait that's right:
"Thanos, Thanos, Thanos, Thanos, and Thanos! Because Thanos splits 5-ways!"

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman is a D-lister? Then who the hell is in your A-list?
no, he implied that the cosmic armor was a "d-lister" in some way - yet again showing his complete lack of trenchancy.

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman is a D-lister? Then who the hell is in your A-list? Oh wait that's right:
"Thanos, Thanos, Thanos, Thanos, and Thanos! Because Thanos splits 5-ways!"
CA is a d lister not Superman. Ca doesn't mean Superman does it?

This thread is about ca which was in a few issues in a forgotten crossover against the ig which is a great story that people still fondly remember hence d lister.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by quanchi112
CA is a d lister not Superman. Ca doesn't mean Superman does it?

This thread is about ca which was in a few issues in a forgotten crossover against the ig which is a great story that people still fondly remember hence d lister.


CA=Superman. Its his concept and its powered by his story. Its the over-arching idea of the Superhero as represented by Superman. Actually a more accurate way to state it would be that the Cosmic Armor is the representative of the heroism and magic of superheroes, what makes them special and sets them apart from all other fiction.
If you don't like it it doesn't diminish what it is. If we're comparing the concepts of the two things (CA and IG) then the CA wins because CA took some thought whereas the IG was just a powerful macguffin. IG stands for nothing.

Prep-Man Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
CA=Superman. Its his concept and its powered by his story. Its the over-arching idea of the Superhero as represented by Superman. Actually a more accurate way to state it would be that the Cosmic Armor is the representative of the heroism and magic of superheroes, what makes them special and sets them apart from all other fiction.

Just give up, man. It's not worth your time or energy. Especially after many pages.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|
Originally posted by quanchi112
This thread is about ca which was in a few issues in a forgotten crossover
Originally posted by Galan007
yet again showing his complete lack of trenchancy.