Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not really.
No relevance at all. 616 Galactus' death can cause the destruction of the entire Marvel Multiverse. That doesn't imbue 616 Galactus with a level of multiversal power. 616 may be the foundational pillar. But while taking out the single foundational pillar of a house with a sledgehammer might bring a whole house down, it doesn't mean that the sledgehammer has the destructive force of a wrecking ball.
Multi-Eternity is multiversal in power. No. Especially when the CCU's created that alternate dimension and the effects of the merger are completely contained within that single 616 universe. To my recollection, the term, "multiverse," and derivations thereof, was not used to describe the IG's power.However, I also think it's fair to point out that the scope of power demonstrated by variety of the things that the IG has done < the scope of power demonstrated by the few things that the UN has done.
So, then you have some sort of proof that the Eternity that the IG beat was in fact not multi-eternity? Please post the relevant scans that say such a thing. You agree Eternity is multiversal correct? Yet don't agree that replacing Eternity with yourself in the prime 616 universe isn't a multiversal feat. If you have some proof it wasn't multi-eternity you may have a point. However, that proof doesn't exist IIRC.
Furthermore, what do you think Thanos meant when he specifically said Thanos of Titan isn't just God of this universe but ALL universes. That seems to very clearly imply a multiversal power doesn't it? This was also said in various ways throughout the story. So, your saying still that it's not multiversal?
Again, the IG merged two universes together. It matters not whether the CCU made the alternate universe. What matters is that the IG effortlessly merged the universes together. Something the CCU would've taken a lot longer to accomplish. So, your saying the IG wasn't manipulating two universes at the same time when merging them? How exactly is that possible. Regardless of how the universe was created.. because as you know the IG has shown the ability to create a Universe. So, thus I know you can't be arguing it couldn't have completed that task. So, we know it can.. whether it did or not.. doesn't change the fact that he merged two universes together.. Two universes.... thus isn't just one universe but multiple universes being affected by the IG correct? Yet its not multiversal?
Lastly, we saw the UN fire a blast.. however.. but with a thought the universes most destructive device is turned against the user. It seems very clear that the writer was trying to convey the IG was superior to the UN when going toe to toe. You don't EFFORTLESSLY own something and then try and argue.. well it could've been different if Reed or Galactus or whatever. The writer clearly felt like in a one v one encounter the scope of the IG made such a task effortless. The UN fired and but with a thought it was reversed. Please explain to me.. what happened in that panel.. The UN as you claim is multiversal (agreed) I feel the IG is multiversal and feel I have shown evidence for that. Thus its your claim that a device with so much more scope and scale vs something in your opinion is only universal.. completely shit stomped it after letting it fire. Please explain how this is possible and what happened?
Just to be clear... I'm arguing that the IG is multiversal but am not arguing that the IG has done something on the scale of what the UN has. Never been my argument.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, then you have some sort of proof that the Eternity that the IG beat was in fact not multi-eternity? Please post the relevant scans that say such a thing. You agree Eternity is multiversal correct? Yet don't agree that replacing Eternity with yourself in the prime 616 universe isn't a multiversal feat. If you have some proof it wasn't multi-eternity you may have a point. However, that proof doesn't exist IIRC.Furthermore, what do you think Thanos meant when he specifically said Thanos of Titan isn't just God of this universe but ALL universes. That seems to very clearly imply a multiversal power doesn't it? This was also said in various ways throughout the story. So, your saying still that it's not multiversal?
Again, the IG merged two universes together. It matters not whether the CCU made the alternate universe. What matters is that the IG effortlessly merged the universes together. Something the CCU would've taken a lot longer to accomplish. So, your saying the IG wasn't manipulating two universes at the same time when merging them? How exactly is that possible. Regardless of how the universe was created.. because as you know the IG has shown the ability to create a Universe. So, thus I know you can't be arguing it couldn't have completed that task. So, we know it can.. whether it did or not.. doesn't change the fact that he merged two universes together.. Two universes.... thus isn't just one universe but multiple universes being affected by the IG correct? Yet its not multiversal?
Lastly, we saw the UN fire a blast.. however.. but with a thought the universes most destructive device is turned against the user. It seems very clear that the writer was trying to convey the IG was superior to the UN when going toe to toe. You don't EFFORTLESSLY own something and then try and argue.. well it could've been different if Reed or Galactus or whatever. The writer clearly felt like in a one v one encounter the scope of the IG made such a task effortless. The UN fired and but with a thought it was reversed. Please explain to me.. what happened in that panel.. The UN as you claim is multiversal (agreed) I feel the IG is multiversal and feel I have shown evidence for that. Thus its your claim that a device with so much more scope and scale vs something in your opinion is only universal.. completely shit stomped it after letting it fire. Please explain how this is possible and what happened?
Just to be clear... I'm arguing that the IG is multiversal but am not arguing that the IG has done something on the scale of what the UN has. Never been my argument.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It doesn't need multiversal feats to defeat the un. It's powerful enough to destroy an entire reality in a battle with the Lt. That means it can pose a problem to the judge of the multiverse. You're falsely painting one feat as some horrid way of proving it can defeat the ig when it simply isn't the case.
You're still straw-manning and obfuscating the real issue. You're avoiding the simple logic and trying to compare how users wield artifacts rather than the artifacts itself. It's now painfully evident since you can't brinng yourself to address the issue directly: Does Magus stomping Quasar imbue the IG with multiversal relevance when it has no multiversal feats?Living Tribunal can turn the Infinity Gauntlet "on" or "off." It's no threat to the Living Tribunal. Don't conflate Living Tribunal's statement that his confrontation with Adam Warlock would destroy the 616 Universe would mean that the Living Tribunal himself would be threatened. Absurd attenuation.
Utterly irrelevant when we're talking about which artifiact has the greater scope of power.
Never assumed so. I simply stated that the Infinity has never been defeated by the IG. Which is true and countered your erroneous position that it had. Don't put words into my mouth because you don't like admitting when you've stated a falsity.
Irrelevant.
The ig can manipulate the energies, see the opponent's move before it happens, freeze them in time, etc.
The Lt turned it off with Warlock's approval don't act like he can easily render the gems impotent when a user is wielding them without having to defeat the user before doing so.
K, well Infinity is the flip side of Eternity and Eternity has always been described as having the most control over 616 until Thanos wielded the gems so Infinity being brought up is useless.
In terms of a battle an ig wins. The ig can't effect the multiverse but it can defeat the un in it's own universe.
Originally posted by MindsetWhy didn't he then? Did he become stupid for the story or did a feat happen 8 years later that gave people the idea it can defeat the ig when that isn't the case.
That would seem to be the case.Did Galactus use the UN against the IG, no? OK.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't need multiversal feats to defeat the un. It's powerful enough to destroy an entire reality in a battle with the Lt. That means it can pose a problem to the judge of the multiverse. You're falsely painting one feat as some horrid way of proving it can defeat the ig when it simply isn't the case.The ig can manipulate the energies, see the opponent's move before it happens, freeze them in time, etc.
The Lt turned it off with Warlock's approval don't act like he can easily render the gems impotent when a user is wielding them without having to defeat the user before doing so.
K, well Infinity is the flip side of Eternity and Eternity has always been described as having the most control over 616 until Thanos wielded the gems so Infinity being brought up is useless.
In terms of a battle an ig wins. The ig can't effect the multiverse but it can defeat the un in it's own universe.
Why didn't he then? Did he become stupid for the story or did a feat happen 8 years later that gave people the idea it can defeat the ig when that isn't the case.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNot in terms of a one on one fight in a kmc style setting. When the two are matched up the ig always wins. Only way you can give the un the win is if the ig user is in another universe caught unaware and even then I don't see it overriding the ig.
I'll say this: until proven otherwise the IG does not bestow Multiversal omniscience, only limited universal omniscience. As such someone standing outside of the universe with the UN could destroy the universe and the IG wielder without said wielder knowing he was in a fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not in terms of a one on one fight in a kmc style setting. When the two are matched up the ig always wins. Only way you can give the un the win is if the ig user is in another universe caught unaware and even then I don't see it overriding the ig.
Originally posted by Omega Visionhahaha bullshit. You see this is where you fail miserably as always. The onus isn't on me to prove anything. Unless specifically stated we consider it being normal Eternity. Not an m-body nothing of the sort as that what stated. We know Eternity is multiversal and unless stated otherwise that is the Eternity we saw. This also fits right in line with Thanos saying he's not just God of THIS universe but ALL universes. Funny how that claim fits right into the fact the he just pwned and replaced eternity. So, the onus is on you or whoever argues it was any other version of Eternity.
Wow get a clue. The burden of proof on the matter of whether it was Multi-Eternity or not (it wasn't) isn't on those who say it wasn't multi-eternity. Its on you to prove that it was Multi-eternity.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
hahaha bullshit. You see this is where you fail miserably as always. The onus isn't on me to prove anything. Unless specifically stated we consider it being normal Eternity. Not an m-body nothing of the sort as that what stated. We know Eternity is multiversal and unless stated otherwise that is the Eternity we saw. This also fits right in line with Thanos saying he's not just God of THIS universe but ALL universes. Funny how that claim fits right into the fact the he just pwned and replaced eternity. So, the onus is on you or whoever argues it was any other version of Eternity.
Originally posted by Omega VisionTo be able to effect the Lt in a battle means it's got the power that can't surpass outside it's own reality.
You're talking ABC logic. Your hope is that if you can prove the IG beats the UN in a straight up fight then that means its multiversal. That means nothing. You haven't proved that the IG is multiversal and thus not on the scope of the Cosmic Armor. You're a sophist debater who puts love of characters over logic and its sad.
Being multiversal or universal doesn't prove who wins in a fight. By that logic Odin beats the ig because he has affected the multiverse while the ig can't. It's pitiful.
Originally posted by quanchi112
To be able to effect the Lt in a battle means it's got the power that can't surpass outside it's own reality.Being multiversal or universal doesn't prove who wins in a fight. By that logic Odin beats the ig because he has affected the multiverse while the ig can't. It's pitiful.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Eternity=one Eternity for ONE Universe. Multi-Eternity= the conglomeration of all the Multiverse's Eternities. You sir fail. And since when is villainous gloating to be taken at face value? Does that mean that FC Darkseid was actually the new God and that he had replaced the Presence? Of course not.
Prove it was an M-body or just the Eternity of that Universe.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHe paused when asked if he could take the gems from him and said it would destroy the entire reality. You don't destroy your entire home when destroying a bee either. Even your own posts reek of bad logic.
When did LT say it was a threat to him? Never, just that the battle would damage the universe. Its like a beekeeper in a protective suit who knows the bees can't harm him but doesn't want to disturb the hive because other people might get hurt.
I guess by your logic Odin>than the ig.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Prove it was an M-body or just the Eternity of that Universe.
Originally posted by Omega VisionYou're aksing him to prove a negative. If you feel it was just an m'body the burden is on you to prove it.
I don't need to. There's no indication that was Multi-Eternity at all. You're trying to make me bend over backward when I don't need to. If you want to believe Multi-Eternity would bother with Thanos at all then that's fine by me.