Originally posted by Omega VisionI made a vs about it here:
I always thought the other gems seemed superfluous after a fashion when compared to the reality gem.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=506085 😛
Originally posted by Omega VisionWhich doesn't change the fact that a reality missing gem owned it quite easily. I see no reason with complete mastery of reality,space, time, power, mind, and soul cannot do so every single time.
Still ignores the fact that Quasar sucked something awful while Magus was a competent user.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Which doesn't change the fact that a reality missing gem owned it quite easily. I see no reason with complete mastery of reality,space, time, power, mind, and soul cannot do so every single time.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNot if you can see your opponents move before it ever happens. Not if you can freeze them in time. Not if you can manipulate the blast itself.
Because a competent user of the UN could have nullified the entire multiverse including the IG. Really the way I see it the IG vs UN thing comes down to individual skill of the users and the first person to the draw.
What proof do you have it remade the multiverse?
Originally posted by quanchi112You know that Thanos w/ IG was utterly ineffectual against Maelstrom. He couldn't even tell who he was, what just happened, or if it happened at all.
It blasted him. That was hardly what the ig was capable of and you know it. When Warlock blasted the abstracts and brought Eternity to his knees even he explained that would have had no effect on him if we was ready for battle and at his best. He isn't immune to the ig either.The ig was greater than Oblivion which made Maelstrom's power greater than when he ran into the ig.
Ig lorded over the abstracts while at Maelstrom's height he was an equal to Infinity.
We have a writer comparing the ig to the un and we have a showing which never definitively states it actually remade the multiverse to my knowledge. How so?
Doesn't change the fact that by your standards, if somebody is completely unaffected, that presumes greater scope of power. It's clear you're conflating Quasar vs Magus with UN vs IG. And by your illogical reasoning, you're suggesting that the only way the UN could be greater than the IG, is if Quasar w/ UN was completely unaffected by Magus w/ IG. But we know such reasoning to be absolutely ridiculous because as you are so vehemently arguing, being unaffected doesn't presume greater scope of power.
In other words, just because Maelstrom was unaffected, doesn't change the fact that the IG has demonstrated a greater scope of power in situations in isolation. For you to not recognize how this completely renders your argument worthless is frightening.
No. What you have is Quasar being pwned by Magus. The UN doesn't grant a powerup or protection. If you pwn the user when he's trying to create a localized sphere of nullification, that doesn't make you capable of destroying the entire Marvel Multiverse and then recreating it in a blink of an eye. And being obtuse about the UN's capabilities doesn't change how the only argument you have for the universal IG to be greater than Superman's CA, is confusing yourself horribly and feigning ignorance.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0He blasted him once and then was unsure it he survived. That's not proof per say that had a battle continued he couldn't have bested him. The guy was torn apart by a giant black hole and brought back far more powerful as an avatar of Oblivion. With the ig he can create such forces with a mere thought.
You know that Thanos w/ IG was utterly ineffectual against Maelstrom. He couldn't even tell who he was, what just happened, or if it happened at all.Doesn't change the fact that by your standards, if somebody is completely unaffected, that presumes greater scope of power. It's clear you're conflating Quasar vs Magus with UN vs IG. And by your illogical reasoning, you're suggesting that the only way the UN could be greater than the IG, is if Quasar w/ UN was completely unaffected by Magus w/ IG. But we know such reasoning to be absolutely ridiculous because as you are so vehemently arguing, being unaffected doesn't presume greater scope of power.
In other words, just because Maelstrom was unaffected, doesn't change the fact that the IG has demonstrated a greater scope of power in situations in isolation. For you to not recognize how this completely renders your argument worthless is frightening.
No. What you have is Quasar being pwned by Magus. The UN doesn't grant a powerup or protection. If you pwn the user when he's trying to create a localized sphere of nullification, that doesn't make you capable of destroying the entire Marvel Multiverse and then recreating it in a blink of an eye. And being obtuse about the UN's capabilities doesn't change how the only argument you have for the universal IG to be greater than Superman's CA, is confusing yourself horribly and feigning ignorance.
The ig was minus the reality gem and it easily manipulated the energies of the un. We have never ever seen the un take out an ig user so you suggesting it can is based entirely on speculation. We have also never seen the ig try to lay waste to an entire reality because it's never been attempted.
We saw less forces kill Maelstrom. The ig could kill Maelstrom. Their encounter was brief and Maelstrom left. That was it. The manner in which he was killed could be easily replicated by the ig to boot.
You still haven't offered proof that the entire multiverse was destroyed. I have asked multiple times. That's what you want to believe and that's fine but until I see the word multiverse or a writer confirming this I won't buy into it any longer.
The ig is a threat to the Lt who is the judge of all the multiverse. Whether or not it can blink out the multiverse is irrelevant imo. I don't see a un user being a problem for Lt like the ig was. I also saw Mr. M put up a writer's interview in where he states the ig was on a different scale. You just offer your own biased interpretations with little to nothing else backing it up. You've been destroyed on this topic time and time again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The ig is a threat to the Lt who is the judge of all the multiverse. Whether or not it can blink out the multiverse is irrelevant imo. I don't see a un user being a problem for Lt like the ig was. I also saw Mr. M put up a writer's interview in where he states the ig was on a different scale. You just offer your own biased interpretations with little to nothing else backing it up. You've been destroyed on this topic time and time again.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHe pauses and then confirms he could take it but not without destroying this entire reality. That's called a threat to the Lt.
It wasn't a threat to him, only the Universe. You realize that the LT was probably dealing with hundreds if not thousands of alternate IGs at once don't you?
He didn't want the Universe to be damaged by the battle between him and the IG, its never stated or even hinted that the IG was a direct threat to the LT.
Originally posted by xJLxKingIt's common sense. If an entire universe will be destroyed because o fyour battle that means you do pose a threat to the Lt or else he'd easily just crush him without even a galaxy going up in smoke. His hesitation also backs up my opinion.
Again, that's your opinion.
You didn't read the story anyways.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's common sense. If an entire universe will be destroyed because o fyour battle that means you do pose a threat to the Lt or else he'd easily just crush him without even a galaxy going up in smoke. His hesitation also backs up my opinion.You didn't read the story anyways.
Common sense would tell you that because of the superiority of the IG in it's own Universe, (See the UN incident) LT would have to destroy the whole Universe to defeat the IG.
LT was not in danger, the outcome not in doubt. It's like a heavy weight Champion vs an Amateur lightweight fighting in a glass house. The outcome is clear, the damage though too.