Originally posted by OneDumbG0Did I miss where you admitted you were wrong?
... hmm... nope. Didn't. Oh well, guess you're saving it.... and?
I already made my peace with that in the last page,
that moment wasn't recalled accurately,
but I gave my reasons why I jumped the gun by taking your scan as my memory,
you know I have that issue, and you know I would've known that had I wanted to. ... But anyway here:
Originally posted by Mr Master
It still doesn't take away from the fact that Loki was never able to harness that IG truly.In any case the Nebula case still rides, and the obvious Rune case as well
^ K. You accused me of lying. You were wrong. You said I should admit when I'm wrong. So I'm waiting for a demonstration for you to admit you were wrong. I'm also waiting for you to admit that you didn't even read the preceding page to the scan at issue. I don't need you to admit that you haven't read the comic, as it's pretty obvious.
Oh, also a user not being able to use an artifact to its fullest potential excuses what "appears" to be a limitation of that artifact's power. And I've got arguments by detractors (like you) who only just realized they're making this argument for me. Which I've been applying to your double-standards. There we go.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ K. You accused me of lying. You were wrong. You said I should admit when I'm wrong. So I'm waiting for a demonstration for you to admit you were wrong. I'm also waiting for you to admit that you didn't even read the preceding page to the scan at issue. I don't need you to admit that you haven't read the comic, as it's pretty obvious.
I already posted the post for ya and you're still riding it. 😆
(you had you 15, lets move one)
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Oh, also a user not being able to use an artifact to its fullest potential excuses what "appears" to be a limitation of that artifact's power. And I've got arguments by detractors (like you) who only just realized they're making this argument for me. Which I've been applying to your double-standards. There we go.
But also, I told you my reasons why it doesn't matter who uses the UN if said user can atleast attack with it, even if not at light speed like in the Quasar case,
fact is, the "Nullification Sphere" is where the power of the UN lies,
and you still haven't been able to prove that varies in power output.
We know you can change it's range/target,
but we've never since it's potency tweaked.
Therefore when an incomplete IG completely controlled those energies,
we noticed that the IG is >>> UN any, all day, every way.
Anyway, proof that Nebula gong un-detected what do to not being able to handle the IG like Thanos:
Thanos stated Nebula was unfit::
Warlock confirmed this and used it to his advantage by going un-detected towards her,
but Warlock made it clear,
that that would not have worked on Thanos,
cause Thanos would've detected him.
The world wobbles on an axis dogs. (Admission is needed as well)
^ Admit what? That this is exactly the type of reasoning I've been using to attack your arguments this entire time. The following post is from earlier this year in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=11689761&highlight=maelstrom+userid%3A77143#post11689761
Originally posted by OneDumbG0What do I have to admit to? That I've been leading you by your nose to kicking your own keester by utterly destroying the only feat you have to suggest that the IG > UN, i.e., Magus v Quasar?
Whitewitchking and Mr Master: you've been caught. You're suggesting that a full IG user's limitations when confronting Adam Warlock and Maelstrom is not dispositive of its power, because it is the user's (Nebula, inexperienced Thanos) limitations that are being reflected in those instances.That doesn't sound familiar? Haven't I been asserting this whole time that Quasar is an inexperinced user of the Ultimate Nullifier? That any deficiency in result is much more attributable to Qusar's inability to use it properly?
So why is it that we can excuse the IG's shortcomings and not the UN's? There's no reason at all. Unless you're desperate to ignore that one artifact reset the entire Marvel Multiverse and the other artifact's greatest claim to fame was the theoretic ability to lay waste to the 616 universe when confronting the Living Tribunal. Funny, Zom and even Power Gem WM Thor were both suggested to be capable of laying waste to 616 Eternity.
What else do you have? Merging two universes? Please. The best thing you had was Magus turning the UN's energies back onto Quasar. Unfortunately, Quasar suffered from his own personal limitations and any failure is more attributable to him. Which should sound familiar, because its the same excuse you give to Nebula and Thanos when dealing with Adam Warlock and Maelstrom respectively.
Nuff said.
Originally posted by Mr MasterRiding it, because you call it "not recalled accurately" and "jumped the gun." I want you to call it, "being wrong while accusing me of lying about it." Because we all know you spent the last few pages lecturing me about owning up to being wrong. So embracing your lofty standards, you still have the stage.
This just still useless babble.I already posted the post for ya and you're still riding it. (you had you 15, lets move one)
So long as you finally understand that the IG makes one > any UN at any time, then we good.
But also, I told you my reasons why it doesn't matter who uses the UN if said user can atleast attack with it, even if not at light speed like in the Quasar case, fact is, the "Nullification Sphere" is where the power of the UN lies, and you still haven't been able to prove that varies in power output.
We know you can change it's range/target, but we've never since it's potency tweaked.
Therefore when an incomplete IG completely controlled those energies, we noticed that the IG is >>> UN any, all day, every way.
Double-standard again. Let's dumb it down: You think IG controlling those energies presumes that the IG has superior power. Conversely, had the IG been absolutely ineffective, then that presumes that the UN has superior power.
Well, the IG was absolutely ineffective against Maelstrom. So by this logic you're concluding that Maelstrom >>> IG any, all day, every way.
No? Well crap. If that's not true, then neither does your original reasoning apply. Why? Because you already explained it. A user's limitations in exploiting an artifact's power fully should not be held against the artifact's own power. Thus, using Quasar v Magus is absolutely inapposite as is using Dr Doom v Surfer or Black Alice v Spectre.
What are we left with then? UN instantly destroyed/recreated Marvel Multiverse >>>> 616 IG taking over single 616 universe.
You argued yourself into this hole. Don't blame me when you try to break the chain of reasoning and squirm your way out of a double-standard.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Let me know when you got something of relevance/consequence.
^ Admit what? That this is exactly the type of reasoning I've been using to attack your arguments this entire time. The following post is from earlier this year in this thread: What do I have to admit to? That I've been leading you by your nose to kicking your own keester by utterly destroying the only feat you have to suggest that the IG > UN, i.e., Magus v Quasar? Riding it, because you call it "not recalled accurately" and "jumped the gun." I want you to call it, "being wrong while accusing me of lying about it." Because we all know you spent the last few pages lecturing me about owning up to being wrong. So embracing your lofty standards, you still have the stage.
Double-standard again. Let's dumb it down: You think IG controlling those energies presumes that the IG has superior power. Conversely, had the IG been absolutely ineffective, then that presumes that the UN has superior power.
Well, the IG was absolutely ineffective against Maelstrom. So by this logic you're concluding that Maelstrom >>> IG any, all day, every way.
No? Well crap. If that's not true, then neither does your original reasoning apply. Why? Because you already explained it. A user's limitations in exploiting an artifact's power fully should not be held against the artifact's own power. Thus, using Quasar v Magus is absolutely inapposite as is using Dr Doom v Surfer or Black Alice v Spectre.
What are we left with then? UN instantly destroyed/recreated Marvel Multiverse >>>> 616 IG taking over single 616 universe.
You argued yourself into this hole. Don't blame me when you try to break the chain of reasoning and squirm your way out of a double-standard.
Originally posted by Mr Master
This just still useless babble.I already posted the post for ya and you're still riding it. 😆
(you had you 15, lets move one)So long as you finally understand that the IG makes one > any UN at any time,
then we good.But also, I told you my reasons why it doesn't matter who uses the UN if said user can atleast attack with it, even if not at light speed like in the Quasar case,
fact is, the "Nullification Sphere" is where the power of the UN lies,
and you still haven't been able to prove that varies in power output.We know you can change it's range/target,
but we've never since it's potency tweaked.Therefore when an incomplete IG completely controlled those energies,
we noticed that the IG is >>> UN any, all day, every way.
^ Funny isn't that you can't even own up to being wrong, especially when it comes to accusing me of lying. It's not funny. It's ironic when you spent two-three pages lecturing me on owning up to being wrong.
If you don't think there's a difference between the power/control that is necessary to: (i) slowly and carefully nullify Magus and his base, and (ii) instantly nullifying AND recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse (and manipulating part of it)...
... well then, you're just discarding common sense and assuming your conclusion.
^ Pray tell, "Grown-Up" ... why don't you lay out what we're both refusing to admit. No, don't speak for both of us. Just lay out what it is that I am refusing to admit.
Furthermore, "Grown-Up," ... why don't you explain to me what is valid about Mr Master's position (since we "both have valid points"😉.
