Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Pray tell, "Grown-Up." Why don't you lay out what we're both refusing to admit.

Furthermore, "Grown-Up," why don't you explain to me what is valid about Mr Master's position (since we "both have valid points"😉.

Oh boy, I know I'm gonna regret it, you both will burn me alive but nevermind I will try my best. urgh

You refuse to admit that the IG is greater in a direct confrontation (in it's universe at least the IGs power is absolute and those > UN).
MM refuses to admit that the IG's power while absolute is limited in scale while the UN (recreating the Multiverse) is not.

So yes, it depends only on the situation if the UN is more powerful then the IG or vice versa.

VP example:
Valid point of MM would be that the IG > Maelstorm, Maelstorm did not defeat Thanos with the IG, while the incomplete IG owned the UN. To compare both is not right.
Your valid point. The UN user (Quasar) was not the best choice and another one might have been more of a challange.

Let it be.

One thign you both have in common though is: You both agree with my unbiased opinion that the CA wins. 😄

^ I'm disregarding what you think of what Mr Master refused to admit. You may have been typing your post before I edited my own. I only address what you think concerning (i) my admission refusals, and (ii) my criticism of his argumentation.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You refuse to admit that the IG is greater in a direct confrontation (in it's universe at least the IGs power is absolute and those > UN).

So yes, it depends only on the situation if the UN is more powerful then the IG or vice versa.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
VP example:
Valid point of MM would be that the IG > Maelstorm, Maelstorm did not defeat Thanos with the IG, while the incomplete IG owned the UN. To compare both is not right.

EDIT: I don't remember when Mr Master ever admitted that CA wins against the IG.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You may have been typing your post after I edited my own. I only address what you think concerning my argumentation.Thanks for the answer. My response: Have I ever once argued in this entire thread whether or not one weapon would prove to be more powerful concerning its users in a direct confrontation? In what way?

The excuse for the IG is that Thanos didn't fully utilize its power. Why does that not apply to Quasar not fully utilizing the UN?

It seemed so at least, IMO. But i could be wrong. It seemed you wanted to imply that the UN would have won against the IG in a direct confrontation IF the UN user would have been more capable of utilising it's power. At least it seemed so to me.

Because Maelstorm vs Thanos wasn't a battle, Thanos was never in danger, Maelstorm left the scene and did not defeat Thanos. If you feel generous enough you could see this as an stalemate.
Quasar tried to defeat the IG and was defeated.

We will never know what would happen if an competent UN user fights an competent IG user. IMO the IG User would win in his Universe. If the UN would attack while not in the IG's user universe it should nullify him. But that's just my opinion. Most of your points, both of them, don't crontradict this I guess.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
EDIT: I don't remember when Mr Master ever admitted that CA wins against the IG.

Oh he did, I'm sure 100%! *cough*

😄

ODG is not a grown up, he is a cat. Acting like a kid, he cannot do, but a kitten? You better believe it.

Originally posted by Blanket
ODG is not a grown up, he is a cat. Acting like a kid, he cannot do, but a kitten? You better believe it.

I know, both are grown up's. I can't say the same about you uhuh

k

Originally posted by Blanket
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THIS means WAR! fight

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It seemed so at least, IMO. But i could be wrong. It seemed you wanted to imply that the UN would have won against the IG in a direct confrontation IF the UN user would have been more capable of utilising it's power. At least it seemed so to me.

Because Maelstorm vs Thanos wasn't a battle, Thanos was never in danger, Maelstorm left the scene and did not defeat Thanos. If you feel generous enough you could see this as an stalemate.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
None of this has anything to do with whether a UN user can beat an IG user for the umpteenth time.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is not about whether a UN-user can beat an IG-user.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
None of this has anything to do with whether a UN user can beat an IG user. I've said this no less than a dozen times.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Quasar tried to defeat the IG and was defeated.

We will never know what would happen if an competent UN user fights an competent IG user. IMO the IG User would win in his Universe. If the UN would attack while not in the IG's user universe it should nullify him. But that's just my opinion. Most of your points, both of them, don't crontradict this I guess.

Which is not what I argued in this thread. Ever.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ok, so let's pick out a few posts from the past: So. Do you believe me when I say that I've never debated whether a IG-user can beat a UN-user? And thus, I could never have admitted that a IG-user can beat a UN-user? I await your reply.When did Quasar ever try to defeat the IG? He was only trying to nullify Magus, remember?

Which is not what I argued in this thread. Ever.

Okok I believe you. But you hopefully can still understand that I got the impression.

Qusar tried to defeat the IG the instant he tried to nullify Magnus who wore it.

So what is the point you try to make? That the UN is capable of greater feats (multiversal) while the IG gives you a greater range (means space time etc) of powers? So you both are talking at cross purposes?

Maybe it would help if you could answer following Questions with a simple yes or no OR IG or UN.

Who would win in a direct confrontation, the competent IG user or the competent UN user? (In the IG's user Universe)

If the competent UN user would attack the IG User from the outside of his Universe, would it nullify the IG user?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Okok I believe you. But you hopefully can still understand that I got the impression.

Qusar tried to defeat the IG the instant he tried to nullify Magnus who wore it.

So what is the point you try to make? That the UN is capable of greater feats (multiversal) while the IG gives you a greater range (means space time etc) of powers? So you both are talking at cross purposes?

The coalition of heroes did not know that Magus had reactivated the IG. They were hoping that Quasar would nullify Magus before the IG could ever be reactivated. Thus, Quasar was never contending directly with the IG or ever bent his mind towards nullifying the IG. Just Magus (and likely his citadel too).

The points I'm trying to make: The UN is capable of greater feats (multiversal). That the IG is capable of great feats (universal). That the Magus v Quasar incident is no reason to suggest that the IG is now capable of greater+ feats (multiversal+). So it's not more powerful than the UN, whose power you'd likely need to surpass, or at least match, in order to defeat the Cosmic Armor.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Maybe it would help if you could answer following Questions with a simple yes or no OR IG or UN.

Who would win in a direct confrontation, the competent IG user or the competent UN user? (In the IG's user Universe)

If the competent UN user would attack the IG User from the outside of his Universe, would it nullify the IG user?

Depends who acts first. If IG-user acts first, IG-user wins because UN grants no protection. If UN-user shoots first, IG-user loses, because we have seen it's effect is instant.

Yes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's not the same theory because I don't agree that Odin has a single feat greater than that of the Celestials. You keep projecting that onto me. Enough with the straw-man.

And the point is superfluous as Thanos w/IG failed to utterly faze Maelstrom. [b]Why was Thanos far more than Maelstrom?

Black hole created by Maelstrom. And we all know why we're discussing Maelstrom. Answer the above bolded question. Then you're wrong. I'm not going to argue with you over the sake of arguing like we did with the UN destroying/recreating the multiverse. Go read comics and educate yourself or prove that sendign reverberations into the multiverse is greater than anything the Celestials have ever done. The premise is absurd.

Oxymoronic statement bereft of meaning. [/B]

Yes, Thanos failed to atomize Maelstrom just like warlock would have failed to even affect eternity. Maelstrom had a specific immunity so he's a rare exception thus making this example completely worthless.

I thought I already answered the question. Maelstrom was far less than Thanos because Thanos was the supreme force of reality. it used to be Eternity and now Thanos was there to usurp his place. Maelstrom had his own plans and like I said wasn't even the avatar of Oblivion at that point. If you want to suggest his power rivaled the ig prior to becoming Oblivion's avatar I'd like to hear a reasoning for it. K.

Also, Thanos can do practically anything with the ig so creating an epic blackhole is something easily accomplished.

Another case of you being rude. I am used to it. When pressed you resort to insults. you've insulted everyone who has pressed you in this thread. It shows me two things. One is you aren't supremely confident in your argument and two, you let this stuff really get to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, let's try this again. Ok, you believe the Celestials have greater power feats than Odin. I said I am unaware of one, but since you said there are then provide an example. Now in theory if you are telling the truth and one didn't exist it doesn't hurt my theory at all. The point is just because a Celestial doesn't have the power feats that Odin suddenly becaome more powerful.

Yes, Thanos failed to atomize Maelstrom just like warlock would have failed to even affect eternity. Maelstrom had a specific immunity so he's a rare exception thus making this example completely worthless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I thought I already answered the question. Maelstrom was far less than Thanos because Thanos was the supreme force of reality. it used to be Eternity and now Thanos was there to usurp his place. Maelstrom had his own plans and like I said wasn't even the avatar of Oblivion at that point. If you want to suggest his power rivaled the ig prior to becoming Oblivion's avatar I'd like to hear a reasoning for it. K.

Also, Thanos can do practically anything with the ig so creating an epic blackhole is something easily accomplished.

Another case of you being rude. I am used to it. When pressed you resort to insults. you've insulted everyone who has pressed you in this thread. It shows me two things. One is you aren't supremely confident in your argument and two, you let this stuff really get to you.

"Epic" is a misnomer for describing the black hole that Maelstrom created, deflecting from its atypical characteristics.

The term, "oxymoronic" has nothing to do with you being a moron or moronic. It is not a personal disparagement and speaks to your argumentation. If anything, it's an indication of irony. Save yourself the trouble. Don't cast aspersions on me when all you're doing is projecting yourself onto me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't understand why you still focus on Odin suddenly becoming more powerful. He sent reverberations through the multiverse before and after he got pwned by the Celestials. You're creating a false distinction. I'm not suggesting anything yet. I am asking you a pointed question and you likely have the foresight to see where it's going. So then: What proof do you have that Thanos was far more than Maelstrom?

"Epic" is a misnomer for describing the black hole that Maelstrom created, deflecting from its atypical characteristics.

The term, "oxymoronic" has nothing to do with you being a moron or moronic. It is not a personal disparagement and speaks to your argumentation. If anything, it's an indication of irony. Save yourself the trouble. Don't cast aspersions on me when all you're doing is projecting yourself onto me.

Just like you tried using the following logic....

M Thor wasn't killed by Thanos... yet we don't be M Thor to be above Thanos with the IG... Just like Quasar and the UN losing to magus IG doesn't prove the IG is above the UN. The problem as I pointed out earlier and what you can't get around is the following:

1. Magus with an Incomplete IG wtfpwned Quasar and UN "with but a thought" " the word ultimate has little meaning is the battle" Quasar and the UN was DEFEATED with EASE

2. However, M Thor did absolutly NOTHING to Thanos in the least. Thanos was not able to defeat him but M. Thor certainly didn't defeat Thanos.

The above is part of your faulty logic that you have been perpetuating in this thread that I've had to give numerous examples contracicting. Just like your ONe feat in ONe area means superiority.. lol. If that isn't funny enough... that even over rides a one v one wtf pwning lol.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Just like you tried using the following logic....

M Thor wasn't killed by Thanos... yet we don't be M Thor to be above Thanos with the IG... Just like Quasar and the UN losing to magus IG doesn't prove the IG is above the UN. The problem as I pointed out earlier and what you can't get around is the following:

1. Magus with an Incomplete IG wtfpwned Quasar and UN "with but a thought" " the word ultimate has little meaning is the battle" Quasar and the UN was DEFEATED with EASE

2. However, M Thor did absolutly NOTHING to Thanos in the least. Thanos was not able to defeat him but M. Thor certainly didn't defeat Thanos.

The above is part of your faulty logic that you have been perpetuating in this thread that I've had to give numerous examples contracicting. Just like your ONe feat in ONe area means superiority.. lol. If that isn't funny enough... that even over rides a one v one wtf pwning lol.

1. So what? I can defeat a rocket launcher user with a handgun by squeezing the trigger of a pistol. That doesn't inform the relative power between the two weapons.

2. No, he didn't. So what? IG Thanos has far greater feats.

Just because you've managed to confuse yourself, doesn't mean you're succeeding in confusing other people. Simple fact:

Instantly destroying/recreating/manipulating the Marvel Multiverse >>>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Masterson Thor was killed by IG Thanos. And Masterson Thor's best feats are far below IG Thanos. That last fact is the important part. Sorry you keep trying to deflect from that.

1. So what? I can defeat a rocket launcher user with a handgun by squeezing the trigger of a pistol. That doesn't inform the relative power between the two weapons.

2. No, he didn't. So what? IG Thanos has far greater feats.

Just because you've managed to confuse yourself, doesn't mean you're succeeding in confusing other people. Simple fact:

Instantly destroying/recreating/manipulating the Marvel Multiverse >>>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe.

False people have agreed with me and my line of logic and reason. In fact seasoned people have even pointed out that I've made very logical points via PM's with me. I don't think you've done a bad job either and have made some valid logically points as you usually do. What I have pointed out are the ones that you've not done so with example after example. I can do so again showing your lack of logic and reason in SOME areas. Not all but some I have disagreed with.

Wtfpwing the UN with the greatest of ease (one v one) >>>>> than one better feat in one area. Do I need to list people with better feats even not just one and yet getting WTF pwned with ease? That is a horrible line of reasoning and I have proven such.

^ Not in any cogent manner they haven't. Nobody has explained how you can reasonably look at "instantly destroying/recreating/manipulating Marvel Multiverse" and act like it doesn't exist. Just because it's exponentially far greater than anything IG Thanos ever did, doesn't mean it doesn't count. There is no logic or reason to do this.

Magus pwned Quasar. Dr Doom pwned Surfer. Black Alice pwned Spectre. So what? You've proven that you're confused.

IG defeated in one move
an entity that holds entire UniverseS in one hand,
an entity that is the embodiment of all things on all planes of existence,
an entity that sunders and re-creates UniverseS all day,
meh, the entity that can re-birth all UniverseS ... period.

That aside, the IG is the Infinity Being's power,
and the Infinity Being is the reason there even is a UN, and/or Omniverse,
because it was in-fact the Infinity Being that created everything,
so, the IG's power (in the right hand) can do all this.

So go figure friends. 🙂

^ Even if this uber-Eternity exists, that's not who showed up in Infinity Gauntlet/War. 616 Galactus doesn't perform cosmic surgery on that level. And ironically, the only sure thing that accessing this uber-Eternity's power in Defenders gave, was the power to remold the 616 universe.

Aggrandizing origins didn't work for Phoenix proponents, it doesn't work for the Infinity Gauntlet either.

Is this still going on. Jeez!!

And just to throw it out there
hom scarlet witch said "no more mutants" and the whole damn multiverse got f'ed. If we go by feats....

:-P

continue please... Bwahaha

Originally posted by rotiart
Is this still going on. Jeez!!

And just to throw it out there
hom scarlet witch said "no more mutants" and the whole damn multiverse got f'ed. If we go by feats....

:-P

continue please... Bwahaha