Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't abstract level as in Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity level. You don't even understand my points half the time.

Except the ig easily also defeated and manipulated the un's energies with a thought on panel. LOL. Ig proved it's more powerful and that it can manipulate the power of the un at the ig user's will.

Nullifying something is nullifying something whether it's the milky way or the size of Montana.

Except Doom easily defeated and manipulated the Surfer's energies on panel. LOL. Except Black Alice easily defeated and manipulated the Spectre's divine powers on panel. LOL. Doom, Black Alice and IG cannot claim their targets' feats as their own through such ludicrous attenuation.

Nullifying something is nullifying something. Recreating it from nothing is something else. Manipulating it is something else. Try to keep up.

Isn't Superman also an abstract? At least it was stated 😉

Can someone post the scene of the UN recreating the multiverse? And scenes where it says it did so?

Originally posted by Blanket
Can someone post the scene of the UN recreating the multiverse? And scenes where it says it did so?

Originally posted by galactusischere
It doesn't state that the multi-verse was nullified/restarted, but if you understand the context you would know.

EX: Mr Master vs ODG

Originally posted by Blanket

Can someone post the scene of the UN recreating the multiverse? And scenes where it says it did so?

It is known, that the UN nullifies all the prior actions of the target,
so therefore,
only Abraxas needed to be hit with the UN,
this by extension, should return everything back to normal,
because well, it was Abraxas that was collapsing the Multiverse.

So basically, if you nullify Abraxas, you erase from existence what he did,
and what he did was collpase a bunch of Universes that would soon lead to all the Multiverse.

I brought this point up early in this thread,
imo, it was Abraxas who was hit with the UN,
and 616 Eternity/Infinity (being the cenrter point of all reality)
as a result were rebooted to their original space-time,
which is why we see them affected as well.

^ Deja-vu. First, it's quanchi112 flip-flopping over what the UN did, and now it's you. You.

... YOU?! dur

Wow. There are several ways to approach this... each cumulative upon the other. I thought first about attacking your above rationale, but I'll save that for later. So let's begin with this: I'll forego rehashing the following quoted argument and let it speak for itself. I just had to fix a few broken thumbnails and pick a less ornery version of it:

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Abraxas was collapsing the entire Multiverse,
and it's in his powerset to manipulate reality:

Here Reed says,

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...

Because the Multiverse is misaligned due to Abraxas

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Here Nova says,

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"

Again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.

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Finally what does this lead to?

Reed,

"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."

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What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE!

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Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse:

UN Destroys the Multiverse:

UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant:

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UN is a Multiversal weapon ... Reed says,

"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,
He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Qualifying your incorrect statement after the fact doesn't rehabilitate how wrong it was, and still is. Nobody has ever limited the term, "Abstract," to just Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity. Don't kid yourself.

Except Doom easily defeated and manipulated the Surfer's energies on panel. LOL. Except Black Alice easily defeated and manipulated the Spectre's divine powers on panel. LOL. Doom, Black Alice and IG cannot claim their targets' feats as their own through such ludicrous attenuation.

Nullifying something is nullifying something. Recreating it from nothing is something else. Manipulating it is something else. Try to keep up.

Doom cannot easily do so under his own power in a forum fight whereas the ig can do so to the un every time.

BA never defeated the Spectre. I suggest rereading the arc because he wasn't stopped at this point. Ig easily defeated a un user. Context.

Yes, and doing so does not and has not ever proven a superior power level in a forum fight. Try and keep up.

Originally posted by Blanket
Can someone post the scene of the UN recreating the multiverse? And scenes where it says it did so?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's what I meant. That's why I said he wasn't abstract level at this point making it abundantly clear he was less than these 4 abstracts.

Doom cannot easily do so under his own power in a forum fight whereas the ig can do so to the un every time.

BA never defeated the Spectre. I suggest rereading the arc because he wasn't stopped at this point. Ig easily defeated a un user. Context.

Yes, and doing so does not and has not ever proven a superior power level in a forum fight. Try and keep up.

Show me where Doom ever had trouble stealing the Power Cosmic. And we don't care about forum fights. You're not clever enough or subtle enough to conflate the the two.

You want to nitpick this much over BA/Spectre then fine. But your underlined statement is absolutely correct. IG easily defeated an unaware UN user. IG never defeated the UN. As context shows, Quasar never focused the UN's power onto the IG, nor did he even realize he had to contend with a reactivated IG, nor did he ever try to nullify the IG.

"Forum fights" isn't what we're arguing here at all. We're arguing whethe ryou can fairly use Magus beating Quasar as proof that the IG's influence extends beyond a universal scope of power. The number of red herrings you've tried to throw at me on this point should be deemed an environmental crime. Try and stay on topic with me in your responses or don't respond to me at all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did you ever make it "abundantly clear" you were only talking about Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity? You qualified your statement AFTER you were pointed out to be wrong in a cover attempt to act like you weren't simply oblivious to the facts/circumstances surrounding Maelstrom's status.

Show me where Doom ever had trouble stealing the Power Cosmic. And we don't care about forum fights. You're not clever enough or subtle enough to conflate the the two.

You want to nitpick this much over BA/Spectre then fine. But your underlined statement is absolutely correct. IG easily defeated an unaware UN user. IG never defeated the UN. As context shows, Quasar never focused the UN's power onto the IG, nor did he even realize he had to contend with a reactivated IG, nor did he ever try to nullify the IG.

"Forum fights" isn't what we're arguing here at all. We're arguing whethe ryou can fairly use Magus beating Quasar as proof that the IG's influence extends beyond a universal scope of power. The number of red herrings you've tried to throw at me on this point should be deemed an environmental crime. Try and stay on topic with me in your responses or don't respond to me at all.

ODG made a comment saying... he's only saying that the UN has shown a greater feat in terms of scale than the UN... Ummm actually that isn't all you've said. I for one, can't speak for all the discussions, have never disputed this fact. Clearly, the UN has a feat on a much on a grander scale. Where you went wrong is the fallacies is then used after your extrapolation of said feat...

1. Your premise and conclusion rely on the fact one feat in one area makes something or someone superior. That is totally false in a general sense. Sure, it can be true but it's not a given as ODG has claimed. UN is great and erasing and recreating things on a super grand scale.. Awesome. Wonderful. No doubt its scale in this area certainly seems greater. Yet the scope of the IG is much greater i.e. MORE areas of superiority, not just one. To base things of one or less areas is illogical and unsound. Here are some examples of why feats in certain areas don't mean jack..

1. Superman & Thor have exponentially greater strength feats than Thanos or Galactus... One area of "supposed" superiority.. strength. They have th3 f3ats!! Yet we know and don't believe they are A) Stronger and B) that is only one area of what makes something/someone superior. You see we have direct confrontations between Thanos and Thor that tell us he's not stronger. Thanos doesn't have the exponential strength feats, yet we know he pwns Thor

2. Wolverine has Th3 Feats compared to sabertooth. The strength feats the speed feats and pretty much 20x times more feats that Sabertooth. It would seem Wolverine is stronger than Sabertooth because afterall he's lifted things that Sabertooth hasn't.. Yet we know this isn't true.. wolverine isn't stronger... Why do we know this.. in direct one v one confrontations.. Sabertooth appears the stronger of the two. Yet again, direct one v one encounters count for more than th3 fetas!!

3. Odin has effected the multiverse in battle. A celestial has not effected the multiverse in battle.. Hmmmm it seems on the surface that Odin's attacks must be more powerful and he's more powerful. Afterall, he has the feats of superiority in this one area. Yet we know a celestial has wtf pwnd an amped Odin in battle. One has the feat...the other has wtf pwnd said person with the feat.

4. In my football example… The colts just score the most points in playoff history, win by the biggest margin in playoff history, have the most passing yards in playoff history. Wow the f3ats…. Yet play in the superbowl and get wtfpwnd by a team with no playoff records. Do we say…. the colts are the best team or superior team because of th3 f3ats? Nah we say.. the team that smashed them is superior. Common sense.

This is exactly what we have between the IG and the UN... The UN has the omg one feat in one specific area (erasing/recreating) yet when faced with an Incomplete IG... it got wtf pwnd with the greatest of ease.. In fact, with but a thought.. is how easy it was. NOw do we say... ooooo well the UN has the greater feat.,. thus it's superior... No way no how. That is exactly what that ONE particular point of your argument is illogical and unsound. I could give countless more examples that make that train of thought laughable.

What is funnier is that how most of us would define superior is which one would give us the best chance and ruling the universe and be able to beat almost any foe. If you can maintain your power in one uiverse or two or the multiverse and beat pretty much any foe... that seems to be the superior weapon. Common sense right.. Well not in ODG case.. he maintains the UN is superior... How on earth is this true. I could let someone have the UN all the want and do what they want with it.. However, at ANY point if they tried to nullify me.. as we've seen... with but a thought the nullification sphere will be sent back on its user. That was even with a incomplete IG lol. The only fear I would have is the LT.. so which is superior again.. The IG

The other laughable premise you have is that because Maelstrom was taking the IG attacks and nothing happened, that is proof of something. Thanos not being able to defeat Maelstrom right away is proof of nothing. You like to twist it and say... oo the IG showed limitations.. just as the UN has against the IG.. Problem is... The iG just didn't beat Maelstrom right away but was in no danger what so ever of losing. He just didn't win right away. However, in the UN case.. it got wtf pwnd with but a thought.. Horrible comparison and why they are totally different.

Your other laughable claims are that the IG is only universal.. I could list all the reasons that clearly make it at the very least multi-universal and imo multiversal. I could list those reasons and your blatant double standards in your reasoning.. For example your insistance that because there were multiple galactus in the Abraxas arc then that Eternity was multi-Eternity. Yet, say the IG situation it was only 616 Eternity. Yet we know by their bios it was the EXACT same Eternity. I love the picking and choosing of things when you want it to be such to support your argument. What is even more laughable about your theory is there needing the words multiverse... or multiple galactus to be dealing with multiversal things.. False again as I've shown. Thanos with the heart talked about one universe only, no mention of universeS as in the IG. It didn't merge two universes like the IG. It seems on the surface to be even less multiverssal than the IG or the UN.. hmmmmm but are seeing multiple Galactus's a requirement.. or having the words multiverse said over and over... nope. Why... well because we saw Thanos with the heart WTF pwn a being that holds megaverses in his hands and resides over the omniverse. You see, that is why your premise and conclusion in this aspect is unsound and illogical.

So, lets not act like all you've been arguing is that the UN has a greater multiversal feat than the IG. That has been said over and over by me.. It's these arguments above that you've also made that I've had to correct.

In your opinion.

No, KuRuPT Thanosi, let's break it down:

1. You keep trying to deflect from the fact that UN instantly destroys/recreates/manipulates Marvel Multiverse >>>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe. You keep trying to talk about superiority in the colloquial sense. But what we care about is power. And whether the IG has access to a multiversal-level of power approaching that of the UN. It doesn't. Not even close. Comparing their feats makes that obvious. Nuff said.

2. You keep trying to suggest that Magus beating Quasar is more important than comparing UN's and IG's feats. Because Magus pwned Quasar, IG > UN. That's utterly incorrect BY YOUR STANDARDS. How so? Because if Magus easily beating Quasar = IG > UN, then you must conclude that had Magus utterly not affected Quasar = UN > IG. If you apply that evenly, then Thanos utterly not affecting Maelstrom = Maelstrom > IG. But if that doesn't mean diddly-poo to YOU, then your ENTIRE rheotoric premised on whether Quasar was/wasn't beaten by Magus means diddly-poo. Only thing we're left with are feats.

And on feats, UN >>>>>>>>>>> IG. Because IG never did anything even close to suggest it has multiversal-scale power.

OneDumbGo getting post-owned when it comes to walls of text ?

ha-som

^ I could post a bigger, unwieldier, incomprehensiblerer wall of text and you know it! durhulk

Don't waste your time

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, KuRuPT Thanosi, let's break it down:

1. You keep trying to deflect from the fact that UN instantly destroys/recreates/manipulates Marvel Multiverse >>>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe. You keep trying to talk about superiority in the colloquial sense. But what we care about is power. And whether the IG has access to a multiversal-level of power approaching that of the UN. It doesn't. Not even close. Comparing their feats makes that obvious. Nuff said.

2. You keep trying to suggest that Magus beating Quasar is more important than comparing UN's and IG's feats. Because Magus pwned Quasar, IG > UN. That's utterly incorrect BY YOUR STANDARDS. How so? Because if Magus easily beating Quasar = IG > UN, then you must conclude that had Magus utterly not affected Quasar = UN > IG. If you apply that evenly, then Thanos utterly not affecting Maelstrom = Maelstrom > IG. But if that doesn't mean diddly-poo to YOU, then your ENTIRE rheotoric premised on whether Quasar was/wasn't beaten by Magus means diddly-poo. Only thing we're left with are feats.

And on feats, UN >>>>>>>>>>> IG. Because IG never did anything even close to suggest it has multiversal-scale power.

That was the best you could do... Enough said.

^ It completely and succinctly exposes your deflective tactics and double-standards. Verbosity isn't an indication of substance. And not much needs to be said to expose the inherent problems in your rheotoric. Likewise, nuff said.

To be absolutely honest here...

I provided handbook evidence just as a frame of reference but I disagree with anyone, including mr master, bringing them up for debate.

Most of those handbooks are referenced from a website called www.marvunapp.com otherwise known as the marvel unapproved appendix.

They are later collected verbatim from that site and used to create the so called handbooks. I despise use of the handbooks. And will refrain from using them in the future... But I just wish people would go back to using the comics and stop with all of this handbook talk..

I know I know it's authorized my marvel... But you may as well go to the marvel.com website and look at the character wikis which are also edited by fans... Since marvel reviews any edits to the wiki pages also...

:-/

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did you ever make it "abundantly clear" you were only talking about Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity? You qualified your statement AFTER you were pointed out to be wrong in a cover attempt to act like you weren't simply oblivious to the facts/circumstances surrounding Maelstrom's status.

Show me where Doom ever had trouble stealing the Power Cosmic. And we don't care about forum fights. You're not clever enough or subtle enough to conflate the the two.

You want to nitpick this much over BA/Spectre then fine. But your underlined statement is absolutely correct. IG easily defeated an unaware UN user. IG never defeated the UN. As context shows, Quasar never focused the UN's power onto the IG, nor did he even realize he had to contend with a reactivated IG, nor did he ever try to nullify the IG.

"Forum fights" isn't what we're arguing here at all. We're arguing whethe ryou can fairly use Magus beating Quasar as proof that the IG's influence extends beyond a universal scope of power. The number of red herrings you've tried to throw at me on this point should be deemed an environmental crime. Try and stay on topic with me in your responses or don't respond to me at all.

Uhm, he has tricked the Surfer into entering a machine before and this doesn't happen in a forum battle. The guy gets handily beaten by the Surfer in a forum matchup.

I'm more than clever enough to discern the power levels between the ig and the un while you aren't it seems.

The ig was incomplete and can manipulate the energies of any un user. Context----with but a thought even minus the reality gem.

Again, this is what is more powerful not what reaches a wider range of territory. A theoretical wall is erected and who can break through type stuff. This has always been relative in terms of a forum fight and who is more powerful.

The answer is the ig. Always has been.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Don't waste your time