Originally posted by quanchi112No, it's obvious that you use the term "abstract" to mean abstracts like Anomaly, Master Order, Lord Chaos, etc. and not just Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity by looking through this thread:
It was obvious when I stated over and over again about him becoming an avatar or Oblivion. He was less powerful than abstract level meaning Oblivion at this point. Do I have to spell everything out for you?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, that's a casual blast. We see Thanos going all out later against Eternity and the abstracts.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When Warlock blasted the abstracts and brought Eternity to his knees even he explained that would have had no effect on him if we was ready for battle and at his best.Ig lorded over the abstracts while at Maelstrom's height he was an equal to Infinity.
Originally posted by quanchi112Seriously. Stop pretending like you treat the term "abstract" differently from everybody else. And you did this just to manufacture an excuse and cover up a flatly wrong statement? Goodness. It was a such a minor point too. It's not like your entire argument hinged on you being right or wrong on that. The lengths you go to to avoid admitting you're wrong are ludicrous.
What the hell does the ig not killing Maelstrom have to do with anything? Thanos with the ig didn't kill Eternity either did he? No, he imprisoned the other abstracts as well and proved he was superior.
Originally posted by quanchi112He's done it to Surfer and Galactus different times, in different ways. IG's power-level is handily below the UN's. Nobody cares about a forum match-up between the two.
Uhm, he has tricked the Surfer into entering a machine before and this doesn't happen in a forum battle. The guy gets handily beaten by the Surfer in a forum matchup.I'm more than clever enough to discern the power levels between the ig and the un while you aren't it seems.
The ig was incomplete and can manipulate the energies of any un user. Context----with but a thought even minus the reality gem.
No, you're desperate to throw any red herring in my path to deflect from the obvious truth of what the power levels are between the UN and the IG.
So what? IG can beat Quasar who isn't even trying to nullify IG OR is even aware that an IG is activated. Sounds about as worthless as Doom tricking Surfer into a machine to steal his power.
Originally posted by quanchi112Infinitely wider range of territory + instantaneous effect + nullifcation/creation forces = more powerful. You wish this could be in terms of a forum fight. Then you could act like you wouldn't have to prove that the IG is multiversal.
Again, this is what is more powerful not what reaches a wider range of territory. A theoretical wall is erected and who can break through type stuff. This has always been relative in terms of a forum fight and who is more powerful.The answer is the ig. Always has been.
If the question is "What has proven to be an exponentially weaker artifact than the UN?" then you are correct, good sir.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The point is like I stated he wasn't as powerful as the major abstracts. Either way it doesn't change what I meant or my position. You can choose to argue over my wordplay or the actual issue here in this thread.
No, it's obvious that you use the term "abstract" to mean abstracts like Anomaly, Master Order, Lord Chaos, etc. and not just Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity by looking through this thread: Seriously. Stop pretending like you treat the term "abstract" differently from everybody else. And you did this just to manufacture an excuse and cover up a flatly wrong statement? Goodness. It was a such a minor point too. It's not like your entire argument hinged on you being right or wrong on that. The lengths you go to to avoid admitting you're wrong are ludicrous.He's done it to Surfer and Galactus different times, in different ways. IG's power-level is handily below the UN's. Nobody cares about a forum match-up between the two.No, you're desperate to throw any red herring in my path to deflect from the obvious truth of what the power levels are between the UN and the IG.
So what? IG can beat Quasar who isn't even trying to nullify IG OR is even aware that an IG is activated. Sounds about as worthless as Doom tricking Surfer into a machine to steal his power. Infinitely wider range of territory + instantaneous effect + nullifcation/creation forces = more powerful. You wish this could be in terms of a forum fight. Then you could act like you wouldn't have to prove that the IG is multiversal.
If the question is "What has proven to be an exponentially weaker artifact than the UN?" then you are correct, good sir.
I also made it clear maelstrom was less than Eternity level abstract level at the time of his encounter with Thanos and he later became Oblivion level so even entertaining the thought of who was more powerful was ludicrous.
Yes, through plot devices and options which aren't available in a standard forum matchup.
You don't care because you know the ig wins and easily.
An incomplete ig can manipulate he power of the un. So what, huh? Good one.
Ig never attempted the same sort of feat. By this logic the Celestials aren't as powerful as Odin. It's bad logic.
Ig is more powerful.
Originally posted by quanchi112Now it's "major abstracts?" Yeah, ok. We know where you're going with this. You'll continue to make excuses for being wrong, throw out false pretenses to justify pure misstatements and spam knee-jerk responses to hope they get buried in endless pages. What else should I expect?
The point is like I stated he wasn't as powerful as the major abstracts. Either way it doesn't change what I meant or my position. You can choose to argue over my wordplay or the actual issue here in this thread.I also made it clear maelstrom was less than Eternity level abstract level at the time of his encounter with Thanos and he later became Oblivion level so even entertaining the thought of who was more powerful was ludicrous.
It was ludicrous because IG-Thanos has greater feats than Maelstrom. As you stated earlier. And having come full circle, based on that same logic: UN >>>>>> IG.
Originally posted by quanchi112Guess the plot device and option of Quasar not even trying to nullify the IG or even contend with the IG or even knowing the IG was activated completely discredits using Quasar v Magus. Good to know.
Yes, through plot devices and options which aren't available in a standard forum matchup.You don't care because you know the ig wins and easily.
An incomplete ig can manipulate he power of the un. So what, huh? Good one.
Ig never attempted the same sort of feat. By this logic the Celestials aren't as powerful as Odin. It's bad logic.
Ig is more powerful.
IG can beat Quasar. Great. Doesn't make the IG multiversal.
Black Alice can manipulate the Spectreforce. So what, huh? Repetition presumes some level of intelligence. But here, your repetition wouldn't put you past the level of a parrot. Heck, an empty room with an echo can repeat what I say. That's about as much credit I give you when you can't even process the rebuttals I've passed onto your logic.
Negative proof fallacy. UN never tried to nullify LT or TOAA either. Guess the IG's fake possibility is still beaten by the UN's fake possibility. Good show. And shut up about Odin, seriously.
"IG is more powerful" than Quasar. Yes, I agree. And still UN >>>>>>>>>> IG.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0By most posts and the mere fact I stated much weaker than Oblivion who is a major abstract I think it's definitely implied.
Now it's "major abstracts?" Yeah, ok. We know where you're going with this. You'll continue to make excuses for being wrong, throw out false pretenses to justify pure misstatements and spam knee-jerk responses to hope they get buried in endless pages. What else should I expect?It was ludicrous because IG-Thanos has greater feats than Maelstrom. As you stated earlier. And having come full circle, based on that same logic: UN >>>>>> IG. Guess the plot device and option of Quasar not even trying to nullify the IG or even contend with the IG or even knowing the IG was activated completely discredits using Quasar v Magus. Good to know.
IG can beat Quasar. Great. Doesn't make the IG multiversal.
Black Alice can manipulate the Spectreforce. So what, huh? Repetition presumes some level of intelligence. But here, your repetition wouldn't put you past the level of a parrot. Heck, an empty room with an echo can repeat what I say. That's about as much credit I give you when you can't even process the rebuttals I've passed onto your logic.
Negative proof fallacy. UN never tried to nullify LT or TOAA either. Guess the IG's fake possibility is still beaten by the UN's fake possibility. Good show. And shut up about Odin, seriously.
"IG is more powerful" than Quasar. Yes, I agree. And still UN >>>>>>>>>> IG.
I didn't base it off feats i based it off common sense. Much less defeated Maelstrom while Thanos walked the dog on the universe entire.
He also has complete mastery over power, but you want me to make a case why he is more powerful than Maelstrom? It's a waste of time and I knew what you were attempting the entire time so don't act like you're some master debater when you're really just a pouty poster who insults when things don't go his way.
The energies were manipulated so it doesn't matter what they were going to do. With but a thought.
It doesn't have to be multiversal to be more powerful than the un.
BA doesn't have complete mastery of power. What are we talking about? Power.
It's a perfect example of your theory utterly being trounced. I affected the multiverse so I magically become more powerful than anything just affecting one universe.
Ig without the reality gem dusted the un. On panel ftw.
Originally posted by rotiart
To be absolutely honest here...I provided handbook evidence just as a frame of reference but I disagree with anyone, including mr master, bringing them up for debate.
Most of those handbooks are referenced from a website called www.marvunapp.com otherwise known as the marvel unapproved appendix.
They are later collected verbatim from that site and used to create the so called handbooks. I despise use of the handbooks. And will refrain from using them in the future... But I just wish people would go back to using the comics and stop with all of this handbook talk..
I know I know it's authorized my marvel... But you may as well go to the marvel.com website and look at the character wikis which are also edited by fans... Since marvel reviews any edits to the wiki pages also...
:-/
Would that be like saying..."the IG turned the energies of the un against quasar"....when in fact the comic says......"with but a thought i turn the universes greatest weapon upon its bearer"....IT NEVER STATES THE ENERGY!..and i have read the saga allot...there are even hints that warlock and co are thinking wrong on purpose..because they know the magus can hear thier thoughts...and they dont want him to know he does not have the reality gem.....so why not the thought he made quasar turn it onto himself? or effect the weapon itself....why the need to change what is stated in the comic? because a handbook says so...i dont buy this either....and we have a statement from a incomplete ig user saying about the UN..."its the universes most devastating weapon"...noone brings that up? could magus know it is superior in its use to be more devastating?...it would seem so!....but thats just something i think of when i go thru this thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112You didn't imply garbage until you realized you were wrong, and trying to remedy it with a post-facto qualification was, and still is, pathetic. Drop the pretense.
By most posts and the mere fact I stated much weaker than Oblivion who is a major abstract I think it's definitely implied.I didn't base it off feats i based it off common sense. Much less defeated Maelstrom while Thanos walked the dog on the universe entire.
He also has complete mastery over power, but you want me to make a case why he is more powerful than Maelstrom? It's a waste of time and I knew what you were attempting the entire time so don't act like you're some master debater when you're really just a pouty poster who insults when things don't go his way.
And it's common sense that UN >>>>>>>>>> IG.
He has complete mastery over power except when he doesn't. Why make the case? We already know he has greater feats, as you stated earlier. And lulz at the ad hominem. This isn't master debating, I just took your double-standard and threw it back at you like a dead rat. You squirm and you squeal and reject it as repulsive, but it's your dead rat of an argument. Not mine. And it's the easiest way to prove you're utterly wrong and your entire argument is based on garbage when you end up attacking the very rationale you base your position on.
Originally posted by quanchi112Same with the Spectreforce. Uh duh.
The energies were manipulated so it doesn't matter what they were going to do. With but a thought.It doesn't have to be multiversal to be more powerful than the un.
BA doesn't have complete mastery of power. What are we talking about? Power.
It's a perfect example of your theory utterly being trounced. I affected the multiverse so I magically become more powerful than anything just affecting one universe.
Ig without the reality gem dusted the un. On panel ftw.
Yeah, it does. At the very least.
Neither did IG Thanos have complete mastery over power.
What in the hootenanny are you blabbering about? You're trying to use a fake feat as an argument that the IG is multiversal? Ha.
We both know why Magus beating Quasar means crap. Because if Magus didn't beat Quasar, it wouldn't be proof that UN > IG. Because IG Thanos didn't beat Maelstrom. Because you refuse to conclude that Maelstrom > IG Thanos. Thus, whether Magus beat or didn't beat Quasar is meaningless. And now, the entire basis of your argument has been revealed as mere double-standard rheotoric nonsense. Sorry you can't move the gears in that head of yours to admit this. But it's true. Your own logic used against you. Lazy, but no less effective.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, and even stated as much multiple times.
You didn't imply garbage until you realized you were wrong, and trying to remedy it with a post-facto qualification was, and still is, pathetic. Drop the pretense.And it's common sense that UN >>>>>>>>>> IG.
He has complete mastery over power except when he doesn't. Why make the case? We already know he has greater feats, as you stated earlier. And lulz at the ad hominem. This isn't master debating, I just took your double-standard and threw it back at you like a dead rat. You squirm and you squeal and reject it as repulsive, but it's your dead rat of an argument. Not mine. And it's the easiest way to prove you're utterly wrong and your entire argument is based on garbage when you end up attacking the very rationale you base your position on. Same with the Spectreforce. Uh duh.
Yeah, it does. At the very least.
Neither did IG Thanos have complete mastery over power.
What in the hootenanny are you blabbering about? You're trying to use a fake feat as an argument that the IG is multiversal? Ha.
We both know why Magus beating Quasar means crap. Because if Magus didn't beat Quasar, it wouldn't be proof that UN > IG. Because IG Thanos didn't beat Maelstrom. Because you refuse to conclude that Maelstrom > IG Thanos. Thus, whether Magus beat or didn't beat Quasar is meaningless. And now, the entire basis of your argument has been revealed as mere double-standard rheotoric nonsense. Sorry you can't move the gears in that head of yours to admit this. But it's true. Your own logic used against you. Lazy, but no less effective.
It's comments like these which make me question whether you read infinity war or not.
No, he has complete mastery over power. I don't need to see an all out battle against Maelstrom to realize this to be the case. You apparently think an ig blast one shots anything.
Black alice doesn't have limitless power under her beck and call while the ig does. Slight difference there, sport.
Maelstrom left Thanos before he was the life was stomped out of him. By your logic if the Thanos and Odin fight stopped right after Odin's first blast you'd claim Thanos couldn't be affected at all by Odin.
An angry blast from the ig isn't the best it can muster making his brief stint against Maelstrom as meaningless as the un against the ig.
Originally posted by starlock
Would that be like saying..."the IG turned the energies of the un against quasar"....when in fact the comic says......"with but a thought i turn the universes greatest weapon upon its bearer"....IT NEVER STATES THE ENERGY!..and i have read the saga allot...there are even hints that warlock and co are thinking wrong on purpose..because they know the magus can hear thier thoughts...and they dont want him to know he does not have the reality gem.....so why not the thought he made quasar turn it onto himself? or effect the weapon itself....why the need to change what is stated in the comic? because a handbook says so...i dont buy this either....and we have a statement from a incomplete ig user saying about the UN..."its the universes most devastating weapon"...noone brings that up? could magus know it is superior in its use to be more devastating?...it would seem so!....but thats just something i think of when i go thru this thread.
Actually that was to illustrate how insignificant it was next to the IG. The IG saga was about it essentially making one "God". The IG saga went to great length talking about limitless power.. God etc etc. So saying it turns the universes most destructive weapon upon its user is just further illustration on how little that matters next to an IG user. In fact, that is even more clear with the line... Quasar learns that the word Ultimate has little meaning in this confrontation. With but a thought... all these lines and the whole premise behind the IG is that it's just that powerful. By the way Starlock I asked you a few questions like pages and pages ago. If you get a chance take a look at it and give me your thoughts.
Originally posted by quanchi112Multiple times AFTER you were proven to be misstating facts. Seriously, enough with the act.
Yes, and even stated as much multiple times.It's comments like these which make me question whether you read infinity war or not.
No, he has complete mastery over power. I don't need to see an all out battle against Maelstrom to realize this to be the case. You apparently think an ig blast one shots anything.
I did. Did you read the Abraxas arc? Oh, wait.. you already answered that earlier.
He has complete mastery over power, except when he doesn't. Which signifies nothing. Enough with the no limit fallacies, ok?
Originally posted by quanchi112No limit fallacy again. Black Alice could draw on any magical source, which you've been relying on in the same way for the IG. Too bad that even though you understand that such ability is meaningless as a no limit fallacy in one instance, you can't possibly bring yourself to apply it here.
Black alice doesn't have limitless power under her beck and call while the ig does. Slight difference there, sport.Maelstrom left Thanos before he was the life was stomped out of him. By your logic if the Thanos and Odin fight stopped right after Odin's first blast you'd claim Thanos couldn't be affected at all by Odin.
An angry blast from the ig isn't the best it can muster making his brief stint against Maelstrom as meaningless as the un against the ig.
Had Thanos been aware of Maelstrom, or been able to even begin comprehending what happened there, you'd have a point. As it stands though, you don't.
Just as a bewildered Quasar who isn't even contending with and doesn't even know there's an activated IG is meaningless when it comes to relative power scales between the two artifacts. That's the true inquiry, not your straw-manning.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, I read it a long ass time ago. I already told you I wasn't rereading the arc. I know you cliffnoted the arc, but get real.
Multiple times AFTER you were proven to be misstating facts. Seriously, enough with the act.I did. Did you read the Abraxas arc? Oh, wait.. you already answered that earlier.
He has complete mastery over power, except when he doesn't. Which signifies nothing. Enough with the no limit fallacies, ok? No limit fallacy again. Black Alice could draw on any magical source, which you've been relying on in the same way for the IG. Too bad that even though you understand that such ability is meaningless as a no limit fallacy in one instance, you can't possibly bring yourself to apply it here.
Had Thanos been aware of Maelstrom, or been able to even begin comprehending what happened there, you'd have a point. As it stands though, you don't.
Just as a bewildered Quasar who isn't even contending with and doesn't even know there's an activated IG is meaningless when it comes to relative power scales between the two artifacts. That's the true inquiry, not your straw-manning.
I guess statements about the ig don't count then? I guess the whole storyline was a lie, a fabrication, while this later feat by the un proved it's the most powerful weapon in all of comics. You dismiss things because you have no choice in the matter.
Black alice doesn't have anywhere near the power of the Spectre so your example is crap. The ig is powerful on it's own and doesn't need to steal other beings powers to make itself power though I believe it can do so. We know the ig is far more effective in battle than the un proved on panel.
Eternity's statements with regards to the ig's power levels also backs up my case.
A bio already stated he had an immunity to maybe the ig's naked power. That just means it's an exception not a glaring flaw in the ig's power level. I already posted another user blasting eternity out of anger and Eternity saying the effects would have been nonexistent in an actual battle. Keep ignoring everything that destroys your argument.
An incomplete ig easily did so. On panel.
Originally posted by quanchi112No, just keep trying to deflect from the fact that you lie to cover up your own mistakes. Abstracts = Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity? Funny stuff, that was.
Yes, I read it a long ass time ago. I already told you I wasn't rereading the arc. I know you cliffnoted the arc, but get real.I guess statements about the ig don't count then? I guess the whole storyline was a lie, a fabrication, while this later feat by the un proved it's the most powerful weapon in all of comics. You dismiss things because you have no choice in the matter.
Black alice doesn't have anywhere near the power of the Spectre so your example is crap. The ig is powerful on it's own and doesn't need to steal other beings powers to make itself power though I believe it can do so. We know the ig is far more effective in battle than the un proved on panel.
No. Just pretty much everything you say "is a lie, a fabrication, while this later feat by the un proved it's" exponentially more powerful than the IG. You wish you could dismiss the Abraxas arc. Try writing to your congressman.
IG doesn't have anywhere near the power of the UN so your entire argument is crap. The IG draws on the power of th universe, kid. And still, nobody cares about a direct confrontation when it comes to the issue of the IG's supposed multiversality.
Originally posted by quanchi112Purple prose does not support a no limit fallacy. It's merely another no limit fallacy.
Eternity's statements with regards to the ig's power levels also backs up my case.A bio already stated he had an immunity to maybe the ig's naked power. That just means it's an exception not a glaring flaw in the ig's power level. I already posted another user blasting eternity out of anger and Eternity saying the effects would have been nonexistent in an actual battle. Keep ignoring everything that destroys your argument.
An incomplete ig easily did so. On panel.
Lulz. Bringing up bios/handbooks has been complete hilarity from the get-go. And if Maelstrom was indeed immune to the IG's power, than that IS a "glaring flaw" in your unqualified no limit farcical estimation that the IG has no limits to its power. Lol.
And of course, now it's beginning to dawn on you that Magus beating or not beating Quasar signifies nothing when it comes to the vast power differential between IG/UN.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I stated from the get go he was less powerful and wasn't at abstract level meaning Oblivion level in which he appeared at the end of the arc.
No, just keep trying to deflect from the fact that you lie to cover up your own mistakes. Abstracts = Oblivion/Death/Eternity/Infinity? Funny stuff, that was.No. Just pretty much everything you say "is a lie, a fabrication, while this later feat by the un proved it's" exponentially more powerful than the IG. You wish you could dismiss the Abraxas arc. Try writing to your congressman.
IG doesn't have anywhere near the power of the UN so your entire argument is crap. The IG draws on the power of th universe, kid. And still, nobody cares about a direct confrontation when it comes to the issue of the IG's supposed multiversality.Purple prose does not support a no limit fallacy. It's merely another no limit fallacy.
Lulz. Bringing up bios/handbooks has been complete hilarity from the get-go. And if Maelstrom was indeed immune to the IG's power, than that IS a "glaring flaw" in your unqualified no limit farcical estimation that the IG has no limits to its power. Lol.
And of course, now it's beginning to dawn on you that Magus beating or not beating Quasar signifies nothing when it comes to the vast power differential between IG/UN.
I accept his feat. I am not arguing around it. I don't dismiss things here and there like it seems you are so intent on accmplishing in this very thread,
False. Absolute power according to eternity anyways. I guess that's just another lie.
Whether your power can reach the multiuniverse or universe this has never implied which is more powerful.
These are comics and there are always exceptions. I still see the ig defeating him in battle so in either case it's a special example which doesn't prove anything power wise.
The ig is more powerful and more effective than the un. Eternity never went to the lengths he went through to get the un as he did to gain possession of the ig.
Originally posted by quanchi112No. You stated from the get-go he wasn't abstract-level. Which was wrong. Why would anybody give you the benefit of the doubt on this one? For goodness sake, let it go.
I stated from the get go he was less powerful and wasn't at abstract level meaning Oblivion level in which he appeared at the end of the arc.I accept his feat. I am not arguing around it. I don't dismiss things here and there like it seems you are so intent on accmplishing in this very thread,
False. Absolute power according to eternity anyways. I guess that's just another lie.
I don't even know what you're talking about. "His" who?
True. As proven on-panel. Not a lie, just a misunderstanding on your part.
Originally posted by quanchi112What in the hell is a multivuniverse?
Whether your power can reach the multiuniverse or universe this has never implied which is more powerful.These are comics and there are always exceptions. I still see the ig defeating him in battle so in either case it's a special example which doesn't prove anything power wise.
The ig is more powerful and more effective than the un. Eternity never went to the lengths he went through to get the un as he did to gain possession of the ig.
And this supposed "exception" positively destroys your reliance on the no limit fallacy. Not only that, this further demonstrates that whether Quasar was beaten/not beaten is meaningless.
No, the IG is not. Who cares what Eternity did. It's not like Abraxas, the embodiment of multiversal destruction ignoring the IG means much either. Although, when it comes to you... who knows?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, he wasn't at Oblivion's level till the end of the arc. Do you think he was more powerful before he became Oblivion's avatar?
No. You stated from the get-go he wasn't abstract-level. Which was wrong. Why would anybody give you the benefit of the doubt on this one? For goodness sake, let it go.I don't even know what you're talking about. "His" who?
True. As proven on-panel. Not a lie, just a misunderstanding on your part. What in the hell is a multivuniverse?
And this supposed "exception" positively destroys your reliance on the no limit fallacy. Not only that, this further demonstrates that whether Quasar was beaten/not beaten is meaningless.
No, the IG is not. Who cares what Eternity did. It's not like Abraxas, the embodiment of multiversal destruction ignoring the IG means much either. Although, when it comes to you... who knows?
His meaning the abraxas storyline, the un's power level in this story I have not rejected.
Not a misunderstanding another spin you're attempting. Not going to happen.
I meant multiverse. Are you attempting more humor or were you seriously confused.
No, it has nothing to do with no limits it just shows that Maelstrom was possibly immune to it's power no matter what level it achieves. But we only saw one blast so let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
The point is Eternity sought the ig while the un has always been in existence. A functioning ig wasn't in the story with abraxas while a functioning un was in a story in infinity gauntlet.
It's obvious which artifact this writer favored. Keep highlighting a story which didn't have a functioning ig in it to sell your desperate case.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0^ Deja-vu. First, it's quanchi112 flip-flopping over what the UN did, and now it's you. You.
... YOU?!
Everyone knows I'm practically the guy who brought to light (in this forum before you joined)
the UN wacking the Multiverse in the Abraxas arc,
so ... flip flopping my ass.
I believe I have the right to change my opinion, based on further realized facts.
In any case, it was just an observation (another possibility if you will)
and yes, it is just an opinion.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Wow. There are several ways to approach this... each cumulative upon the other. I thought first about attacking your above rationale, but I'll save that for later. So let's begin with this: I'll forego rehashing the following quoted argument and let it speak for itself. I just had to fix a few broken thumbnails and pick a less ornery version of it:
The fact is,
that only Abaraxas needed to be nullified
in order for the collapsed Universes to return to normal.
That's a fact in accordance with what the UN does,
you really can't argue against that.
Now, can the UN crack the Multiverse?
Absolutely, Reed said so. (but he was referring to Abraxas not himself)
Just like its said in the hands of Galactus it can erase Timelines.
Should Reed be capable of the same?
Realistically? Shouldn't be. But that is Reed after all. 🙂 (who can do anything)
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiActually that was to illustrate how insignificant it was next to the IG. The IG saga was about it essentially making one "God". The IG saga went to great length talking about limitless power.. God etc etc. So saying it turns the universes most destructive weapon upon its user is just further illustration on how little that matters next to an IG user. In fact, that is even more clear with the line... Quasar learns that the word Ultimate has little meaning in this confrontation. With but a thought... all these lines and the whole premise behind the IG is that it's just that powerful. By the way Starlock I asked you a few questions like pages and pages ago. If you get a chance take a look at it and give me your thoughts.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThe writer showed us through these lines how insignificant the un is compared to the ig. I agree. It's plain common sense and the only people who could dispute the writer's intention here have a horse in this race or don't have the reading comprehension to understand the writer's point.
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