Superman/Surfer/Thor vs Wonder Woman/Black Adam/Captain Marvel/Firelord

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW actually said he's too strong. People ignoring this to put WW where she doesn't belong is out of order.

I know. He thought he was fighting DD, and yes he wasn't pulling his punches.

She isn't just as strong. You saying she is is ignoring the comic itself.

Yeah, cheapshotting an opponent with his back turned isn't meeting him mano e mano.

And this still doesn't impress you? That Diana used guile to make an opening that a lesser opponent would have failed to do? Why should she fight the kind of direct battle Superman has the advantage in when she can change the course of the fight or dictate how it goes?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And this still doesn't impress you? That Diana used guile to make an opening that a lesser opponent would have failed to do? Why should she fight the kind of direct battle Superman has the advantage in when she can change the course of the fight or dictate how it goes?

My point is a direct battle between the two always favors Superman. These are the things she needs to do in order to beat him.

He was in a state of mind that might give him a real chance against HP DD, don't you think so Quan? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He was in a state of mind that might give him a real chance against HP DD, don't you think so Quan? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by quanchi112
The only reason it happened was because he was not in the right state of mind.

My point is a direct battle between the two always favors Superman. These are the things she needs to do in order to beat him.

Again, in a direct battle, most - if not all - will agree that, yeah, Superman wins. But because of Diana's comparable physical attributes, her equipment, and her level of strategy and skill, she'll be able to fight a prolonged battle with him. Anyone who dismisses this and claims that Superman is so far beyond WW that she'll insta-lose is shortsighted.

And again, this is a moot point if Diana doesn't even engage Superman in the fight. Against Thor, the gap is closer. Hell, in all honesty, I'd say Diana has a better chance against Thor than Superman does.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Again, in a direct battle, most - if not all - will agree that, yeah, Superman wins. But because of Diana's comparable physical attributes, her equipment, and her level of strategy and skill, she'll be able to fight a prolonged battle with him. Anyone who dismisses this and claims that Superman is so far beyond WW that she'll insta-lose is shortsighted.

And again, this is a moot point if Diana doesn't even engage Superman in the fight. Against Thor, the gap is closer. Hell, in all honesty, I'd say Diana has a better chance against Thor than Superman does.

I don't think either of them have much of a chance in terms of winning the majority. When he cuts loose he's just too powerful for pretty much any top tier.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
She's also claimed to be his equal, Superman has claimed Diana to be his equal, third parties have claimed them to be equals, etc.

No one here is trying to claim that Wonder Woman's strength and durability is on the exact same level or exceeds Superman. It's not, and it doesn't. But DC is of the opinion it's close enough to warrant a closer look.

Besides, WW has claimed in numerous issues and versions that she just can't take him. He stronger, more versatile, faster, and more durable. When they spar, it's totally different. Superman rarely ever goes crazy like he did in OWAW.

Originally posted by Q99
Move a bracer into the way then counterattack? (More precisely, it's hand-speed they were talking about. Reflexes plus how fast the individual blows are thrown)

Yea, Superman>WW. Not by much, though. Whenever they fight, it is close.

A normal fight between Superman and Wonder Woman will be a drawn-out battle that Superman wins unless he makes a mistake. Superman is overall more powerful but it's a tough long fight for him.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman is like that. He claimed Johnz to be stronger then the entire JLA then you see him getting his ass handed to him. Soon after, Superman beats the villain 😕

Besides, WW has claimed in numerous issues and versions that she just can't take him. He stronger, more versatile, faster, and more durable. When they spar, it's totally different. Superman rarely ever goes crazy like he did in OWAW.

Which issues are these? To my knowledge, most writers and DC in general believe that they are pretty close to being physical peers more often than they think Diana simply doesn't have a chance in hell against Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW actually said he's too strong. People ignoring this to put WW where she doesn't belong is out of order.

I know. He thought he was fighting DD, and yes he wasn't pulling his punches.

She isn't just as strong. You saying she is is ignoring the comic itself.

Yeah, cheapshotting an opponent with his back turned isn't meeting him mano e mano.

I want you to tell me the difference between someone saying "he is so strong" vs "he is stronger than me".

Again, using Superior speed means thats cheapshotting? 😕

Show us the scan after he breaks her wrist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The only reason it happened was because he was not in the right state of mind.

My point is a direct battle between the two always favors Superman. These are the things she needs to do in order to beat him.

She went mano to womano against him and did just fine.

Originally posted by carver9
I want you to tell me the difference between someone saying "he is so strong" vs "he is stronger than me".

Again, using Superior speed means thats cheapshotting? 😕

Show us the scan after he breaks her wrist.

She didn't use superspeed to get behind him.
I did. It's the first scan. LOL.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Team two 8-9/10

Originally posted by carver9
She went mano to womano against him and did just fine.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman is like that. He claimed Johnz to be stronger then the entire JLA then you see him getting his ass handed to him. Soon after, Superman beats the villain 😕

Besides, WW has claimed in numerous issues and versions that she just can't take him. He stronger, more versatile, faster, and more durable. When they spar, it's totally different. Superman rarely ever goes crazy like he did in OWAW.

Imo, I don't that what they were referring to when they made that statement. I think it was how fast she can notice and grasp a attack.

No writer has ever said that Superman>Diana. Stop making sh** up.

Show us a scan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, she used his super hearing against him to cheapshot him, used animals to distract him to flee the scene.

Show the scan after he breaks her wrist or do you want me to show it to you.

Again, do you know why she fleed the scene? Its pretty obvious quan.

Answer this, was she sent their to kill Superman or stop max lord?

If she stayed there to fight Superman instead of fleeing, what would have happened?

Come on quan, this isnt hard.

Originally posted by carver9
No writer has ever said that Superman>Diana. Stop making sh** up.

Show us a scan.

There are also versions like Kingdom comes, of one of our own where I believe she admits.

Originally posted by carver9
Show the scan after he breaks her wrist or do you want me to show it to you.

Again, do you know why she fleed the scene? Its pretty obvious quan.

Answer this, was she sent their to kill Superman or stop max lord?

If she stayed there to fight Superman instead of fleeing, what would have happened?

Come on quan, this isnt hard.

I already stated if she really wanted to she could probably have slit WW's throat while sneaking up behind him.

Superman would have beaten her.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
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There are also versions like Kingdom comes, of one of our own where I believe she admits.

These don't tell us anything we don't already know, though.

It's widely considered to be fact that Superman is the most powerful being on Earth (though you can debate it). And Wonder Woman nodding that he is stronger does not translate into "Oh, my god, you're so far beyond me it's not even funny."

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
These don't tell us anything we don't already know, though.

It's widely considered to be fact that Superman is the most powerful being on Earth (though you can debate it). And Wonder Woman nodding that he is stronger does not translate into "Oh, my god, you're so far beyond me it's not even funny."

Superman doesn't go crazy on most of his opponents. Imperiex excluded.
WW could barely handle one imperiex probe; she nearly died.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
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http://img222.imageshack.us/i/wwsupermanstrongestqt2.jpg/
http://img510.imageshack.us/i/batsupermanstrongest1bj1.jpg/

There are also versions like Kingdom comes, of one of our own where I believe she admits.

So all of the kryptonians is as powerful as Supes?