Originally posted by Philosophía
OWAW all-out Superman would completly destroy Wonder Woman, even moreso than Sacrifice Superman who forcibly dragged her to the Sun and then one-punch knocked her out across the solar system.I'd give Team 2 the slight edge, in normal circumstances and Team 1, when all-out.
Same can be said for Wonder Woman.
Amazo Wonder Woman that stalemated/nearly would annihilate Superman.
Originally posted by Philosophía
If it's the one where Superman was fighting a completly different opponent in his mind, forcefully dragged her to the Sun, one-punch knocked her unconscious back to Earth, snapped her wrist and the only instances of her seriously hurting him being either due to PIS (the hearing part) or the already mentioned fact that he was playing a different scenario in his head then yes, it's the same fight.
Amped punched koed her and when they got back to earth she held back and still pulled the win. Then Superman chased her to max place and she slit his throat and could have killed him if she was serious.
Yeah, we're talking about the same fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Superman can ko her with an all out punch. This fight showed us he can end it very quickly.
And what you are failing to understand yet again is that Superman was close to the sun which gave him an amp which allowed him to ko her for a second.
Konvikt koed Superman for a second but failed to drop Wonder Woman so again, your logic fails and Wonder Woman fought the AMPED konvikt. The one that was>the konvikt Superman fought.
Originally posted by carver9I don't think the writer recognized the sun amp.
And what you are failing to understand yet again is that Superman was close to the sun which gave him an amp which allowed him to ko her for a second.Konvikt koed Superman for a second but failed to drop Wonder Woman so again, your logic fails and Wonder Woman fought the AMPED konvikt. The one that was>the konvikt Superman fought.
WW also didn't offer up her chin to Konvikt making this another irrelevant example.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think the writer recognized the sun amp.WW also didn't offer up her chin to Konvikt making this another irrelevant example.
When did Superman offer Konvikt his chin? And if so it still wouldnt be a caught off guard punch since he was well aware of it coming since he did offer (as you say) Konvikt his chin.
What proof do you have that the writer didnt recognize the amp since its common knowledge that the closer Superman is to the sun the stronger he is?
Originally posted by carver9Because he wasn't seething with energy. Most comics where it's recognized it's clearly stated or drawn.
When did Superman offer Konvikt his chin? And if so it still wouldnt be a caught off guard punch since he was well aware of it coming since he did offer (as you say) Konvikt his chin.What proof do you have that the writer didnt recognize the amp since its common knowledge that the closer Superman is to the sun the stronger he is?
Supes took his shot and went down. I see WW definitely being laid out in these circumstances.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because he wasn't seething with energy. Most comics where it's recognized it's clearly stated or drawn.Supes took his shot and went down. I see WW definitely being laid out in these circumstances.
He didnt sun dip, he got an amp from the rays so there is no need for the seething with energy.
Too bad Wondy took multiple of shot from an amped Konvikt that was much stronger than the Konvikt that one shotted Superman and she was ok. 😕
Originally posted by carver9He was against darkseid in superman/batman.
He didnt sun dip, he got an amp from the rays so there is no need for the seething with energy.Too bad Wondy took multiple of shot from an amped Konvikt that was much stronger than the Konvikt that one shotted Superman and she was ok. 😕
She didn't let him punch her. That's the difference.
Originally posted by Philosophía
If it's the one where Superman was fighting a completly different opponent in his mind, forcefully dragged her to the Sun, one-punch knocked her unconscious back to Earth, snapped her wrist and the only instances of her seriously hurting him being either due to PIS (the hearing part) or the already mentioned fact that he was playing a different scenario in his head then yes, it's the same fight.
We have very different definitions of "completely destroyed."
After all that you listed above he still COULD NOT put down Wonder Woman. Not to mention that she was healed up and back fighting soon after that fight.
The only instances of her seriously injuring him? I guess the bruised ribs he suffered were because he thought he was fighting Doomsday. Wait, they weren't. I guess her slitting his throat didn't seriously injure him. Wait, yes it did. Not to mention she had 2 different instances where she could have killed him if she wanted, but didn't. And all that time she was holding back and he was going all out. Also, it's not like he blitzed her before she was ready and that's why he was able to drag her to space. Wait . . . And if you want to call PIS on the ear bashing, then I call it on the whole opening sequence of that fight.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that Superman would not have fought WW differently if he knew who he was fighting. He would have. But don't get it twisted. He wasn't just some mindless brick standing there not thinking. He expertly avoided the lasso on more than one occasion and was using more than just his fists. And people also are overlooking the difficulties WW had facing *this* Superman. I reckon that she would prefer fighting *normal* Clark more than this unpredictable, angry Superman.
Originally posted by SasaraixxPhil was off when he said completely destroyed like he usually is. My point has always been this fight showed us that WW can't take more than a few hits from an all out Superman on her own.
We have very different definitions of "completely destroyed."After all that you listed above he still COULD NOT put down Wonder Woman. Not to mention that she was healed up and back fighting soon after that fight.
The only instances of her seriously injuring him? I guess the bruised ribs he suffered were because he thought he was fighting Doomsday. Wait, they weren't. I guess her slitting his throat didn't seriously injure him. Wait, yes it did. Not to mention she had 2 different instances where she could have killed him if she wanted, but didn't. And all that time she was holding back and he was going all out. Also, it's not like he blitzed her before she was ready and that's why he was able to drag her to space. Wait . . . And if you want to call PIS on the ear bashing, then I call it on the whole opening sequence of that fight.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that Superman would not have fought WW differently if he knew who he was fighting. He would have. But don't get it twisted. He wasn't just some mindless brick standing there not thinking. He expertly avoided the lasso on more than one occasion and was using more than just his fists. And people also are overlooking the difficulties WW had facing *this* Superman. I reckon that she would prefer fighting *normal* Clark more than this unpredictable, angry Superman.