Team 1 would win seen as they have SS and Thor that have barely been mentioned in this thread. SS is just about the strongest of all heralds, probably more powerfull than the Fallen One by now, and is above Firelord who is the all around most powerfull character in his own team. Add current Thor to that and it's over. They just have too much versality and energy output.
Captain Marvel and Black Adam can both tank pretty much anything team 1 can throw at them. They have physical attributes that enable them to stalemate Superman in the least, insane magical resistance in the case of Thor, and their durability is already pretty high in the first place. The both of them are also used to working together as well - as well as trying to kill each other. If they both double team on a single foe on team 1, that person is in trouble.
quanchi112
Yes, the beginning of it was a direct mano e mano battle but WW turned the tide when she started using sneak attacks.
So yea, even with a surprise rush against an unprepared Diana and setting the tone of the battle, he couldn't win.
Yes, it's still not a legit attack but he didn't sneak up behind her and attack her which is completely different.
And what's your excuse for once he recovered and was starting to go on the offensive against, then was knocked down for about as long as she spent in her crater?
I already admitted WW can fight Superman, but with a free shot like she did and not for as long as one might suspect.
Yet, he completely failed to do so in the first scene when he had the advantage, or in any of their other clashes.
This isn't about "suspect", this is about what's been shown repeatedly, just admit it.
She quickly fled the scene and evaded him.
She hit him so he was staying down in a crater, made sure he was down for several seconds so he couldn't attack her back or anything, then went for Max. He was non-fighting for no less time than she was from the orbital hit. Guess it was a 'KO' too.
Also? She's fought him on even terms before and since.
You're pretty blatantly misrepresenting things and grasping at straws, ignoring all other fights, and just assuming that 'Oh, Clark could win quickly' even a no-hold back Clark with a surprise advantage trying to win quickly.... failed.
The comics show how the fight goes on many occasions, twisting things is just pointless. You're just assuming it's your way without any evidence.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I really don't see how Sacrifice applies to this fight at all. That was a completely different Superman to the one that would be in this fight.All in all, though, i'd say an even split, with it possibly going either way.
How so? That was modern Superman fighting at his max.
Originally posted by Q99
How so? That was modern Superman fighting at his max.
not really.
OWAW, or the Elite? Yes. Sacrifice? No. Completely different circumstances. It's been shown on more than one occasion that Superman getting mad makes him a less effective fighter.
and for the love of all that is holy, please don't compare OWAW to Sacrifice.
Originally posted by -Pr-
not really.OWAW, or the Elite? Yes. Sacrifice? No. Completely different circumstances. It's been shown on more than one occasion that Superman getting mad makes him a less effective fighter.
and for the love of all that is holy, please don't compare OWAW to Sacrifice.
He uses his powers in combination in Sacrifice just as much as he does in OWAW, and he was just fighting probes anyway.
The Elite is probably his single best skill showing ever, but honestly if you want to talk about how he's shown using his powers in a fight, it's probably Elite > Sacrifice > OWAW, and in any case it's still on the high-side of his showings. It's >> most of his normal fights in terms of using speed, heatvision, and strength in combination. Superman was not fighting dumb.
It's pretty impressive the lengths people'll go to not count it. It's not even like it's a one-off thing, Superman and Wonder Woman fight all the time and it's always close. Even if you think he fights better calm, he loses the overwhelming strength thing and it's still pretty close. Quanchi112's assertions of a quick win are just not borne out by the comics.
Originally posted by Q99If it wasn't for the atmosphere waking her up she would have lost.
So yea, even with a surprise rush against an unprepared Diana and setting the tone of the battle, he couldn't win.And what's your excuse for once he recovered and was starting to go on the offensive against, then was knocked down for about as long as she spent in her crater?
Yet, he completely failed to do so in the first scene when he had the advantage, or in any of their other clashes.
This isn't about "suspect", this is about what's been shown repeatedly, just admit it.
She hit him so he was staying down in a crater, made sure he was down for several seconds so he couldn't attack her back or anything, then went for Max. He was non-fighting for no less time than she was from the orbital hit. Guess it was a 'KO' too.
Also? She's fought him on even terms before and since.
You're pretty blatantly misrepresenting things and grasping at straws, ignoring all other fights, and just assuming that 'Oh, Clark could win quickly' even a no-hold back Clark with a surprise advantage trying to win quickly.... failed.
The comics show how the fight goes on many occasions, twisting things is just pointless. You're just assuming it's your way without any evidence.
How so? That was modern Superman fighting at his max.
Context.
My point is even though he attacked her right from the get go this kind of attack isn't comparable to a cheapshot from the backside. It was a free hit.
Superman ko'd her so if he doesn't hold back I can see this occurring again all he needs is a few punches and out she goes.
I am not grasping at straws you are forgetting he basically already won the fight when he ko'd her. Due to the events taking place she woke up otherwise she was defeated and pretty quickly just like I've always stated can happen.
Originally posted by Q99I said they have been shown to have pretty good fights but the fact remains if Superman connects a few solid strikes he can end it quickly.
He uses his powers in combination in Sacrifice just as much as he does in OWAW, and he was just fighting probes anyway.The Elite is probably his single best skill showing ever, but honestly if you want to talk about how he's shown using his powers in a fight, it's probably Elite > Sacrifice > OWAW, and in any case it's still on the high-side of his showings. It's >> most of his normal fights in terms of using speed, heatvision, and strength in combination. Superman was not fighting dumb.
It's pretty impressive the lengths people'll go to not count it. It's not even like it's a one-off thing, Superman and Wonder Woman fight all the time and it's always close. Even if you think he fights better calm, he loses the overwhelming strength thing and it's still pretty close. Quanchi112's assertions of a quick win are just not borne out by the comics.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What?
What are you "what-ing"? I posted counterpoints to your statements after each of your statements, with a > as a breaker. What is there to "what"? (Though I don't know why it posted in bold -- unless my cursor somehow hit something by accident, that isn't something I did).
Originally posted by tideoftimeIt was all one big quote which ended up being a jumbled mess. I am not sifting through one giant quote with my response contained in the same quotations as yours.
What are you "what-ing"? I posted counterpoints to your statements after each of your statements, with a > as a breaker. What is there to "what"? (Though I don't know why it posted in bold -- unless my cursor somehow hit something by accident, that isn't something I did).
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was all one big quote which ended up being a jumbled mess. I am not sifting through one giant quote with my response contained in the same quotations as yours.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Oh, my goodness...
Now, *that* is a measure of some grade-A crap right there.
It isn't a "jumbled mess", Quan; your posts are in the order you posted them, and my response to each individual post is right afterward. (The only peculiar thing is how it got "bolded"; I have no idea how that happened. But otherwise, it isn't difficult to read). Each of your individual statements is followed by my individual response. That isn't tricky, and keeps the flow of specific response... well... specific. While I may have accused you of intellectual dishonesty, I honestly didn't think you were intellectually lazy, as well. (Not trying to be a smart-ass with that last statement -- I am honestly surprised at your evasion on this point; I actually thought, given some of your better posts in other threads, that you were better than that. I may be mistaken...)
Originally posted by Q99
He uses his powers in combination in Sacrifice just as much as he does in OWAW, and he was just fighting probes anyway.The Elite is probably his single best skill showing ever, but honestly if you want to talk about how he's shown using his powers in a fight, it's probably Elite > Sacrifice > OWAW, and in any case it's still on the high-side of his showings. It's >> most of his normal fights in terms of using speed, heatvision, and strength in combination. Superman was not fighting dumb.
It's pretty impressive the lengths people'll go to not count it. It's not even like it's a one-off thing, Superman and Wonder Woman fight all the time and it's always close. Even if you think he fights better calm, he loses the overwhelming strength thing and it's still pretty close. Quanchi112's assertions of a quick win are just not borne out by the comics.
was going to write more, but Philo handled it quite nicely:
Originally posted by Philosophía
OWAW all-out Superman would completly destroy Wonder Woman, even moreso than Sacrifice Superman who forcibly dragged her to the Sun and then one-punch knocked her out across the solar system.I'd give Team 2 the slight edge, in normal circumstances and Team 1, when all-out.
Originally posted by tideoftimeIf you clean it up and re post it I will read and it respond accordingly. The ball is in your court. Your mangled mess so fix it and let the discussion proceed from here.
LOL!!!!!!!!!Oh, my goodness...
Now, *that* is a measure of some grade-A crap right there.
It isn't a "jumbled mess", Quan; your posts are in the order you posted them, and my response to each individual post is right afterward. (The only peculiar thing is how it got "bolded"; I have no idea how that happened. But otherwise, it isn't difficult to read). Each of your individual statements is followed by my individual response. That isn't tricky, and keeps the flow of specific response... well... specific. While I may have accused you of intellectual dishonesty, I honestly didn't think you were intellectually lazy, as well. (Not trying to be a smart-ass with that last statement -- I am honestly surprised at your evasion on this point; I actually thought, given some of your better posts in other threads, that you were better than that. I may be mistaken...)
Originally posted by Philosophía
OWAW all-out Superman would completly destroy Wonder Woman, even moreso than Sacrifice Superman who forcibly dragged her to the Sun and then one-punch knocked her out across the solar system.I'd give Team 2 the slight edge, in normal circumstances and Team 1, when all-out.
Sacrifice Superman completely destroyed Wonder Woman? I think I must have read a different fight.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Sacrifice Superman completely destroyed Wonder Woman? I think I must have read a different fight.