How much stronger is Superboy Prime than Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't cry or complain I just asked for proof as I wasn't rereading it. It still wasn't stated at the end of the arc so.............

Ignore what the fact he was more powerful and the fact most of the heroes weren't fighting with anywhere near the ferocity they would bring against Prime. It's you who wants to draw a false comparison.

Once again, you've ignored that Black Adam was heavily beaten on and at the very end was still throwing people around. And there's nothing to suggest that they were going easier on Black Adam than on Prime. False comparisons? Again, don't project your own behavior onto me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let's go over the facts.

1.Prime was weakened.
2.Adam was more powerful.
3.Adam's face was practically burned off at the end.
4.Prime easily cast them aside and went on to fight much more powerful characters after all these heroes jumped him.
5.The jsa was purposely holding back against him and the group who fought Prime was much more formidable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Irrelevant.
2.Not when carting planets around he doesn't. He also didn't hold back against WW. There's an example which has you shaking in your boots.
3.I already stated the comparisons in every aspect has Prime on a much higher level and that these instances weren't in and of themselves proof of a superior strength advantage.
4.That's a fear of the flashes as it took how many to defeat him the first time. Do you think it would take that many to beat Superman? Also Superman wouldn't wreck the speed force.
5.Needing help doesn't equate to moving it at the speed and with the ease in which Prime did also. it suggests he's nowhere near as strong as Prime if you look at it logically. Then again I guess Superman was afraid he'd crush the planet with his pinkies and it's irrelevant it all is because he holds back.
6.When he came back in infinite crisis.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't just have instances of that I have them lifting the same kinds of mass. Prime did it like it was nothing while supes needed a few others to help him lift it. Prime also ripped open the Monarch's armor.

Most of the stuff Prime has done Superman couldn't do. Not even close. I bet if you asked any writer who handled both characters they'd agree. I'm right as always.

What feats does superman have that makes you think they are closer?

Most of the stuff Prime has done Superman could do given the right motivation. Not really a question. I bet if you asked any writer who handled both characters they'd agree. You're not reading comics as always.

I've already attacked your blind reliance on SMP's feats. They are not as impressive as you think they are. That's enough.

This list off is getting intense.

Originally posted by Blanket
This list off is getting intense.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
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It may send shockwaves through the multiverse which Quan will later attempt to use as proof of him being a multiversal level being.

If Superman is not holding back, Prime would be closer to 1.5 times as strong, and a sufficiently sun-dipped all-out Supes would come a lot closer to Prime than most people think.

which superman knocked prime out after he killed kor-el? clark right?

Originally posted by namorsubby
which superman knocked prime out after he killed kor-el? clark right?

Supes has never KO Prime while both are at full power..

Originally posted by namorsubby
which superman knocked prime out after he killed kor-el? clark right?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Whatever. facepalm

Once again, you've ignored that Black Adam was heavily beaten on and at the very end was still throwing people around. And there's nothing to suggest that they were going easier on Black Adam than on Prime. False comparisons? Again, don't project your own behavior onto me. 1. ... Guardian-amped Prime was weakened.
2. ... and got beat on across the world weakening him and still throwing people around at the very end.
3. ... which only illustrates my point that he was messed up and that your blind reliance on the Isis-amp is misplaced and ignores what Black Adam had to endure.
4. ... Black Adam was easily casting them aside also and would have kept going until he was stripped of his power. Had his power been replenished like SMP's, he would have gone on to fight more as well. There's no point to what you just said.
5. ... the heroes were purposely holding back against Prime and the group who fought Prime was not "much more" formidable. And you also ignore that Black Adam didn't have the benefit of the entire Sinestro Corps battling all those heroes. 1. Monarch fighting a Guardian-amped Prime for an entire issue is not irrelevant. It shows what it took to take Monarch down a peg, i.e., a huge amp that isn't SMP's own power.
2. You only think Superman is using his full strength when towing/pushing moons and planets because he has help. Having help =/= inability to do it yourself. The only thing quaking is Superemo Prime every time he fights Bart Allen.
3. Backtracking from your ridiculous conflation that SMP's lack of magic vulnerability = superior strength does not constitute a rebuttal.
4. No, that's his a$$ being kicked by Bart Allen several times. Don't dismiss Bart's thumping of Prime just because the Speedforce guided Bart into BFR'ing Prime into the future. You have no idea what you're talking about. SMP never "wrecked" the Speed Force.
5. Backtracking from your ridiculous assertion that receiving help = utter inability to do it on your own = moronic does not constiute a rebuttal.
6. You have no idea what you're talking about. SMP never "wrecked" the Speed Force. Already addressed. Stop using false distinctions. Prime ripped open the Monarch's armor AFTER he expended his complete Guardian-amp in an issue-long fight. Think.

Most of the stuff Prime has done Superman could do given the right motivation. Not really a question. I bet if you asked any writer who handled both characters they'd agree. You're not reading comics as always.

I've already attacked your blind reliance on SMP's feats. They are not as impressive as you think they are. That's enough.

1.Prime was weakened when he took on the heroes. Again you are confused.
2.Was losing his face and had characters go easy on him because he was a former jsa member and friend to some of these heroes.
3.He was still more powerful while Prime only returned to his normal power levels at the end. Prime easily went on a rant after this while BA was overwhelmed and took down while being more powerful than he is normally. I have this every which way and it's amusing you are still trying to spin an amped Adam against a weakened Prime when Prime faced off against a much stronger force than Adam did.
4.Black Adam was overwhelmed. If he easily cast them aside and wouldn't have been unable to break free from the dogpile while Prime easily did so when his normal power levels returned.
5.Says who? Who says the heroes were purposely holding back considering what this boy did? I suggest rereading it.

1.Again he achieved the feat when the amp wore off. What led up to that is irrelevant to the strength feat he performed at normal levels.
2.That's right I forgot he held back because he didn't want to destroy that planet with his amazing strength. LOL. Seriously, I don't even think these responses from you are even close to reasonable.
Prime's outdone these things on his own at a much faster rate so until Superman comes close to matching it you have nothing.
3.I am not backtracking I have stated from the beginning Prime is above Superman in all categories. Most agree he is except a few people who claim he always holds back and doesn't have to prove it. That's you.
4.The flashed involvement with Prime did indeed wreck the speed force. Again, being scared of someone proves what again? That has nothing to do with strength and he's an immature kid who was overcome by 6 flashes before so I see why he's fearful of them because of his past experiences. No flash has ever defeated Prime and 6 wreck Superman so you have no point.
5.Needing help implies you need help. You didn't see Prime ask for help because it's an easy thing for Prime to move planets not so for Superman. Common sense meet odg.
6.Whatever you say belt of strength.

I have thought and have read the issue and his amp was all used up. It's obvious. You deny it. Needing help to you means he doesn't need help. You live in a bizarre world of your own making. I hope I never wind up in your world.

Originally posted by namorsubby
which superman knocked prime out after he killed kor-el? clark right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Great retort. He was throwing around less powerful characters than Prime ended up dumping off like trash. Prime easily discarded them when his full powers returned while BA almost lost his face before he was overwhelmed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Prime was weakened when he took on the heroes. Again you are confused.
2.Was losing his face and had characters go easy on him because he was a former jsa member and friend to some of these heroes.
3.He was still more powerful while Prime only returned to his normal power levels at the end. Prime easily went on a rant after this while BA was overwhelmed and took down while being more powerful than he is normally. I have this every which way and it's amusing you are still trying to spin an amped Adam against a weakened Prime when Prime faced off against a much stronger force than Adam did.
4.Black Adam was overwhelmed. If he easily cast them aside and wouldn't have been unable to break free from the dogpile while Prime easily did so when his normal power levels returned.
5.Says who? Who says the heroes were purposely holding back considering what this boy did? I suggest rereading it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Again he achieved the feat when the amp wore off. What led up to that is irrelevant to the strength feat he performed at normal levels.
2.That's right I forgot he held back because he didn't want to destroy that planet with his amazing strength. LOL. Seriously, I don't even think these responses from you are even close to reasonable.
Prime's outdone these things on his own at a much faster rate so until Superman comes close to matching it you have nothing.
3.I am not backtracking I have stated from the beginning Prime is above Superman in all categories. Most agree he is except a few people who claim he always holds back and doesn't have to prove it. That's you.
4.The flashed involvement with Prime did indeed wreck the speed force. Again, being scared of someone proves what again? That has nothing to do with strength and he's an immature kid who was overcome by 6 flashes before so I see why he's fearful of them because of his past experiences. No flash has ever defeated Prime and 6 wreck Superman so you have no point.
5.Needing help implies you need help. You didn't see Prime ask for help because it's an easy thing for Prime to move planets not so for Superman. Common sense meet odg.
6.Whatever you say belt of strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have thought and have read the issue and his amp was all used up. It's obvious. You deny it. Needing help to you means he doesn't need help. You live in a bizarre world of your own making. I hope I never wind up in your world.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Black Adam was still throwing them off, when heavily damaged. Without the benefit of that gang of heroes fighting the Sinestro Corps. The only way they "overwhelmed" him was by taking his powers away. 1. ... so was Black Adam. Again you forgot (or didn't read the comic).
2. ... they were going as easy on him as they were on Prime. Don't make false distinctions.
3. ... oh, so Black Adam was still at full strength all the way to the end. Flawless logic.
4. ... he did break free from the dogpile. Read World War III again.
5. ... considering that Black Adam killed more people than Superemo Prime did (and was threatening more), you suggesting that the heroes were holding back more against him is comedy. 1. ... after using the amp to fight Monarch for an entire issue.
2. ... why would he need to purposefully hold back if he has help? You've now conflated the concept of "receiving help" with [b](i) holding back, and/or (ii) an utter inability to do it yourself, and/or (iii) being a moron. As for #3, don't project yourself onto Superman.
3. ... and lack of magic vulnerability =/= superior strength. If you're not backtracking and covering up your statement, then you're conceding this point. Concession accepted.
4. ... you still don't know what you're talking about. Superman Prime never "wrecked" the Speed Force. Bart Allen has kicked SMP's butt several times.
5. ... receiving help =/= needing help. Common sense, you've never met quanchi112. But one day... you just might.
6. ... concession accepted. Superman Prime never "wrecked" the Speed Force. Yes, he used up his Guardian-amp taking it to Monarch for an entire issue. It's obvious. You forgot it. Receiving help =/= needing help. Bizarro thinks the real world is bizarre too. Have fun raging against it. Don't hurt yourself. [/B]

1.BA was more powerful hence the amp. Wow.
2.No, they weren't as reasons I listed in my previous post. Wow.
3.Black Adam took them on with an amp while Prime took them on while weakened and only when his powers returned did he easily crush them aside.
4.I don't have to because he was depowered and was defeated.
5.Two weak characters. Points back to Prime easily killing weaker characters when he first took on Superboy. That was unintentional to mind you while the bulk of Prime's fight took place while he was weakened.

1.The strength part is the only part I am referring to. I am saying if you let Superman fly up and rip open his armor he couldn't do it while Prime can. I can't believe you don't get it.
2.If you have help you obviously need help otherwise you do it on your own. Stating he can do something Prime did without seeing him do anywhere near the same type of thing is fanboyism.
3.I never once said it did. Not once. you keep restating the same old tired responses while most posters on here inclusing the man you love cartesian side with me. Shocker there. Prime's better in every way. Every includes strength.
4.Was Prime beaten? No, and punching someone a few times does not=/beating them. Wow.
5.Not seeing a feat close to a feat isn't the same as able to replicate that feat. It's fanboyism. Asking for help=/=I can do it on my own either. Wow.
6.The actions of the flashes against Prime ended up resulting in the speed force being wrecked.

I referred to the strength feat at the end the fight that led up to it has nothing to do with the feat itself. You don't catch on and want to go back in circles over meaningless things I never brought up and misconstrue my points all the time.

Originally posted by namorsubby
which superman knocked prime out after he killed kor-el? clark right?

Yep. Put Superemo to sleep with a right cross iirc.

you guys are getting into again..... what about now...

Originally posted by Allankles
Yep. Put Superemo to sleep with a right cross iirc.

Yeah, IC. I don't think they were entirely powerless, if they were powerless Rao would've burnt them to cinderblocks.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah, IC. I don't think they were entirely powerless, if they were powerless Rao would've burnt them to cinderblocks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They weren't trying to kill him. They were obviously practically killing him hence his face had the battle gone on much longer. Prime was unaffected soon as his powers returned to normal levels. Basically, Prime outperformed him in every way against a more formidable group.

1.BA was more powerful hence the amp. Wow.
2.No, they weren't as reasons I listed in my previous post. Wow.
3.Black Adam took them on with an amp while Prime took them on while weakened and only when his powers returned did he easily crush them aside.
4.I don't have to because he was depowered and was defeated.
5.Two weak characters. Points back to Prime easily killing weaker characters when he first took on Superboy. That was unintentional to mind you while the bulk of Prime's fight took place while he was weakened.

1. ... except he wasn't as powerful because he got beaten up all throughout World War III. Was BA invincible with the Isis-amp now? Wow.
2. ... they weren't trying to kill either SMP or Black Adam. Wow.
3. ... Black Adam, all the way to the end while weakened from all his fighting took them on to the very end and only when Shazam depowered him completely was he defeated.
4. ... you probably never did read World War III in the first place.
5. ... I'm referring to the millions in Bialya he killed. Which blunts any speculation that the heroes were going easier on him than they were on Prime. They had no motivation to go easy on him. When's the last time you read World War III (if ever)?

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.The strength part is the only part I am referring to. I am saying if you let Superman fly up and rip open his armor he couldn't do it while Prime can. I can't believe you don't get it.
2.If you have help you obviously need help otherwise you do it on your own. Stating he can do something Prime did without seeing him do anywhere near the same type of thing is fanboyism.
3.I never once said it did. Not once. you keep restating the same old tired responses while most posters on here inclusing the man you love cartesian side with me. Shocker there. Prime's better in every way. Every includes strength.
4.Was Prime beaten? No, and punching someone a few times does not=/beating them. Wow.
5.Not seeing a feat close to a feat isn't the same as able to replicate that feat. It's fanboyism. Asking for help=/=I can do it on my own either. Wow.
6.The actions of the flashes against Prime ended up resulting in the speed force being wrecked.

I referred to the strength feat at the end the fight that led up to it has nothing to do with the feat itself. You don't catch on and want to go back in circles over meaningless things I never brought up and misconstrue my points all the time.

And I'm telling you that without having fought him for an entire issue with a Guardian-amp, he would have never had a chance to rip off his armor. If you wouldn't keep clinging to your weak reasoning and laughable rationale, we wouldn't go in circles. You call it "misconstruing" your points, I call it "revealing how shallow" your points are. Tomato, tomatoe.

I still dont think Adam was amped. There are contradicting statements in regards to that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
They weren't trying to kill either SMP or Black Adam. There's no distinction. Basically, Black Adam was still fighting them off all the way to the end and was only taken down by complete depowerment. And the two groups were comparable. EXCEPT, BA didn't have the benefit of having Henshaw kick Superman's butt or half the Sinestro Corps fighting other heroes all over the place.

1. ... except he wasn't as powerful because he got beaten up all throughout World War III. Was BA invincible with the Isis-amp now? Wow.
2. ... they weren't trying to kill either SMP or Black Adam. Wow.
3. ... Black Adam, all the way to the end while weakened from all his fighting took them on to the very end and only when Shazam depowered him completely was he defeated.
4. ... you probably never did read World War III in the first place.
5. ... I'm referring to the millions in Bialya he killed. Which blunts any speculation that the heroes were going easier on him than they were on Prime. They had no motivation to go easy on him. When's the last time you read World War III (if ever)? 1. ... and I'm telling you that without having fought him for an entire issue with a Guardian-amp, he would have never had a chance to rip off his armor. What don't you get?
2. ... no it's not obvious. Receiving help =/= needing help. Trying to conflate the two is sheer idiocy.
3. ... you did say that. Because you kept citing to when SMP shrugged off Black Adam's punches. Which is durability, not strength. Durability/lack of magical vulnerability =/= strength. Concession accepted.
4. ... did Prime get his butt kicked each and every time and run away each and every time? Yes.
5. ... and this is a straw-man. Which is a typical maneuver on your part when you can't successfully backtrack from your original statement, i.e., receiving help = needing help. Neither your straw-manning, nor your backtracking, suffices as a rebuttal. Concession accepted.
6. ... concession accepted as you now realize that SMP didn't "wreck" the Speedforce. At all.

And I'm telling you that without having fought him for an entire issue with a Guardian-amp, he would have never had a chance to rip off his armor. If you wouldn't keep clinging to your weak reasoning and laughable rationale, we wouldn't go in circles. You call it "misconstruing" your points, I call it "revealing how shallow" your points are. Tomato, tomatoe.

Superman seemed fine to me later on in the story and by that same regard Black adam had the benefit of not having Superman in the entire story so you cannot have it both ways. Adam was overwhelmed in the end while Prime wasn't soon as his powers returned to normal. Pretty cut and dry.

1. I never said he was invincible I stated he was more powerful than normal. Prime got his ass kicked while less powerful than normal and it didn't seem to bother him any soon as the sun came out. You keep making up excuse after excuse. Comparing Prime's fight with Black adam's is oneof the silliest things I've ever had to explain to someone. Basically you think Prime is on Black adam's level. That's just sad.
2.I explained this is number 1. Seriously.
3.Prime wasn't weakened by fighting hell, when his powers returned he went on to take on much more powerful characters than Black Adam faced off against yet he was doing fine. Prime at normal levels is much greater than ww 3 Black adam. In their fights against larger groups the heroes damage they did barely phased him the moment his power levels returned while Black adam looked awful.
4.Uhm, he was defeated. I read it while you didn't. Pretty obvious when you acted like Black adam was running around less powerful when an amp was clearly in play here.
5.Yeah, he killed human beings not powered up super heroes. It doesn't take a powerhouse to render an nation asunder. Of course you were impressed by this and the nerve you have to bring this into the discussion with Prime.

1.How it happened isn't the issue. I love it when you get desperate. If Monarch stood there and let them both try it Prime would do it while Superman couldn't. Do you disgaree?
2.Same response and you continue to show you cannot debate just restate points. I threw your own logic back at you. Evidence doesn't matter to you anyways. You think Prime is equal to a Superman not holding back despite never seeing anything to suggest it so.
3.I said in all categories and already gave the strength feats which far surpass Superman's. Yeah, and cartesian agrees with me the man you respect on here more than anyone.
4.If you thought he got his butt kicked and was on the verge of losing to a flash outside of the one time 6 or so beat him I suggest rereading.
5.Again, you can't have it both ways. Asking for help doesn't mean you can do it on your own or with the relative ease and speed in which Prime achieved it.
6.I never said he punched it or destroyed it in that manner I said his involvement with the flashes and the feat in which they beat him ended up wrecking the speed force for a time.

If Monarch allows them both the chance to rip open the armor can Superman do it?

I love it when you start dodging.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I still dont think Adam was amped. There are contradicting statements in regards to that.