How much stronger is Superboy Prime than Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's been flat out stated he was amped.

Like i said. contradicting statements. Its also been flat out stated that her power went back into the amulet. Thus we have the Black Adam mini.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Like i said. contradicting statements. Its also been flat out stated that her power went back into the amulet. Thus we have the Black Adam mini.

Originally posted by quanchi112
But in the instance of ww 3 he had the power.

Questionable considering that her power went back into the amulet when she died. At least thats what one story said. 😬

I find it hard to believe that she dies, and he gets the power, yet Billy depowers him and changes the transformation name which is SHAZAM. When that happened and had he contained her power, it wouldnt/shouldnt have had the same effect.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Questionable considering that her power went back into the amulet when she died. At least thats what one story said. 😬

I find it hard to believe that she dies, and he gets the power, yet Billy depowers him and changes the transformation name which is SHAZAM. When that happened and had he contained her power, it wouldnt/shouldnt have had the same effect.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There's a huge distinction in taking on a villain and a hero who was formerly on your team. From the word jump in infinite crisis Prime started killing heroes and turning on virtually everyone he came into contact with. Adan's a former ally to the jsa so acting as if these heroes would treat them equally as threats is living in your own world of make believe.

Superman seemed fine to me later on in the story and by that same regard Black adam had the benefit of not having Superman in the entire story so you cannot have it both ways. Adam was overwhelmed in the end while Prime wasn't soon as his powers returned to normal. Pretty cut and dry.

Having what both ways? Superman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Wally weren't in World War III to deal with Black Adam. But Shazam, Mary Marvel, Donna Troy, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Plastic Man, Steel etc. weren't dealing with SMP in Sinestro Corps War. Adam was throwing off everybody in the end and they only restrained him long enough for Shazam to strip him of his powers. Pretty cut and dry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I never said he was invincible I stated he was more powerful than normal. Prime got his ass kicked while less powerful than normal and it didn't seem to bother him any soon as the sun came out. You keep making up excuse after excuse. Comparing Prime's fight with Black adam's is oneof the silliest things I've ever had to explain to someone. Basically you think Prime is on Black adam's level. That's just sad.
2.I explained this is number 1. Seriously.
3.Prime wasn't weakened by fighting hell, when his powers returned he went on to take on much more powerful characters than Black Adam faced off against yet he was doing fine. Prime at normal levels is much greater than ww 3 Black adam. In their fights against larger groups the heroes damage they did barely phased him the moment his power levels returned while Black adam looked awful.
4.Uhm, he was defeated. I read it while you didn't. Pretty obvious when you acted like Black adam was running around less powerful when an amp was clearly in play here.
5.Yeah, he killed human beings not powered up super heroes. It doesn't take a powerhouse to render an nation asunder. Of course you were impressed by this and the nerve you have to bring this into the discussion with Prime.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.How it happened isn't the issue. I love it when you get desperate. If Monarch stood there and let them both try it Prime would do it while Superman couldn't. Do you disgaree?
2.Same response and you continue to show you cannot debate just restate points. I threw your own logic back at you. Evidence doesn't matter to you anyways. You think Prime is equal to a Superman not holding back despite never seeing anything to suggest it so.
3.I said in all categories and already gave the strength feats which far surpass Superman's. Yeah, and cartesian agrees with me the man you respect on here more than anyone.
4.If you thought he got his butt kicked and was on the verge of losing to a flash outside of the one time 6 or so beat him I suggest rereading.
5.Again, you can't have it both ways. Asking for help doesn't mean you can do it on your own or with the relative ease and speed in which Prime achieved it.
6.I never said he punched it or destroyed it in that manner I said his involvement with the flashes and the feat in which they beat him ended up wrecking the speed force for a time.

If Monarch allows them both the chance to rip open the armor can Superman do it?

I love it when you start dodging.

If Superman was bloodlusted, had a Guardian-amp, fought Monarch for an entire issue and at the very end tried to do it, yes he would.

I love it when you start quaneuvering.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
They were vastly reduced in power to the point that the difference no longer mattered much and Superman's superior muscle mass gave him the edge along with his superior skill and determination. Without most of his power Kal-L was kind of a regular old man with no damage soak.

Kal -L also has a larger muscle mass than SBP, why was he hurting so much from those blows if SBP was powerless?

Remember Kal L is only old in human terms in Kryptonian terms his body was only hitting the mid 40's and it was damn strong.

Sure they lost some of their power, but I think Supes mental toughness is what brought down SBP. Both were hurting, but they had enough juice to survive Rao and reentry without being hurt by either.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superboy used to be on the side of the good guys too. Adam was causing more devastation than Superboy Prime did, to millions of innocent civilians. They tried talking him down and he didn't stop, eventually going on to kill more heroes. They weren't going easy on him anymore than they went easy on SMP (with maybe the exception of Atom Smasher). And the JSA, JLA, Titans, Great Ten and others weren't dealing with the entire Sinestro Corps in World War III either. They were only dealing with Black Adam.

Having what both ways? Superman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Wally weren't in World War III to deal with Black Adam. But Shazam, Mary Marvel, Donna Troy, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Plastic Man, Steel etc. weren't dealing with SMP in Sinestro Corps War. Adam was throwing off everybody in the end and they only restrained him long enough for Shazam to strip him of his powers. Pretty cut and dry. 1. ... he was more powerful than normal, and then fought halfway across the world against everybody and was messed up. Think. You keep avoiding these circumstances and projecting your own wishful interpretations to make shallow points. Comparing all the heroes dealing with the Sinestro Corps to the heroes dealing with one man, Black Adam is idiotic.
2. ... you dodged this in number 1. Sadly.
3. ... Prime wasn't weakened? You're an idiot. Prime didn't do anything much different than a tired, hurt WWIII Black Adam kept doing until his powers were stripped. Black Adam didn't have the benefit of the Sinestro Corps running around. And Black Adam looking awful is my entire point. He wasn't at full power. But he kept blowing through and chucking the heroes around like rag dolls to the very end.
4. ... he was stripped of his power. Like SMP was in Infinite Crisis. Plot device, sherlock. Plot device. Clearly obvious that you think amp = invincibility despite also turning around and recognizing how beat up he was, and STILL throwing around heroes.
5. ... he also killed heroes. Reread it before posting your inanities. Him killing millions was to strike a point with you that they didn't have any reason to hold back on Black Adam more than with SMP. 1. ... I see, so how things happen is irrelevant. Fascinating logic. If Superman had a Guardian-amp and was bloodlusted, and fought him for an entire issue, then bloodlusted Superman would be able to rip Monarch's armor.
2. ... and still receiving help =/= needing help. Concession accepted.
3. ... because Superman holds back. I don't talk to Cartesian much (if at all). Who are you talking about? Ouallada? It wasn't enough you're confusing comics, you have to confuse posters now?
4. ... read it again. Got his butt kicked three times. SMP tried to run away three times. Was BFR'ed the first time.
5. ... asking for help =/= doing it on your own. Who said that? Not me. So don't straw-man me. Receiving help =/= needing help. Which is the faulty logic you're relying on and that I'm attacking. Arguing past that at a point I never once advanced is pathetic.
6. ... but what you did say was this: "Prime wrecking the speed force which I don't see Superman able to do at all. . . . When he came back in infinite crisis." Oops. Another quan-maneuver (quaneuver?) trying to cover up your wrong statement by acting like you never said it. Concession accepted. Not only did SMP not wreck the Speedforce, but you tripped over yourself trying to place the event at two separate times, a. when they beat him, b. when he returned from exile.

If Superman was bloodlusted, had a Guardian-amp, fought Monarch for an entire issue and at the very end tried to do it, yes he would.

I love it when you start quaneuvering.

The only reason they restrained Prime at all was because he was weakened. That's it had the been taking him on at normal power it wouldn't have happened as evident by how easily he broke free the moment the sun came up.

1.No, he was less powerful than normal and had to wait for the sun to come up to reach normal power levels. You denying this is denying facts and the obvious intent of the writer.
2.I dodged nothing. At this point it's become the same arguments back and forth. If you want me to address an issue ask me because I feel I already have countless times.
3.Prime was no worse for the wear after his battle while adam was. you say adam got pounded on so did Prime while he wasn't up to full power. Adam was more powerful than normal yet in another thread an amp matters when frost giants come up but here you readily dismiss it. Oh and don't insult me.
4.The amp means he was more powerful than he is at normal levels. Prime at normal levels was much more dangerous than when he fought the heroes while adam was more powerful than at normal levels. Amps only matter to you when it's evidence for you not against you.
5.So did Prime. Prime killed them by mistake too mind you, initially. Adam killed what two weak heroes.

1.That wasn't my question.
2.I guess in your weird odg universe asking helps really means I could do it on my own.
3.Ah, lol. I thought it was cartesian. There are also instances of Superman going all out an dhe wouldn't hold back when carrying a planet. Simple.
4.Prime wasn't even close to being defeated at any point save the time he was bfr'd by 6 of them. Do you think flash at his best can beat Prime in a forum fight?
5.When you ask for help it's not something you can easily accomplish on your own. Do you think Superman asks WW for help when opening a coca cola? I know I can get this WW but just help me out here. Seriously.
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The same feat was ridiculously easy for Prime. If someone easily throws up 300 and someone asks for help in getting it up who is stronger?

6.I am not trying to cover anything up. Prime being involved in that is something that wouldn't have occurred against Superman.

Here's the question again. Monarch fights neither they both going all out get the chance to breach his armor.

a)Can Superman do it?
b)Can Prime do it?

I know this is another odg dodge but seriously it gets old.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, he was a former team member to the jsa and like I said they wanted to put him down, but weren't trying to kill or maim the man. The heroes really hated Superboy prime and were attacking him while weakened. The group was more powerful to boot and Adam was amped. Those are factors you cannot deny.

The only reason they restrained Prime at all was because he was weakened. That's it had the been taking him on at normal power it wouldn't have happened as evident by how easily he broke free the moment the sun came up.

The only reason they restrained Black Adam was... oh wait... that's right, he kept breaking free to the very end and was only momentarily restrained for Shazam to strip him of his power. Having a sudden burst of strength doesn't make you collectively greater than people who tried to restrain you. It was sudden, unexpected, and a clear application of the inverse ninja law.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.No, he was less powerful than normal and had to wait for the sun to come up to reach normal power levels. You denying this is denying facts and the obvious intent of the writer.
2.I dodged nothing. At this point it's become the same arguments back and forth. If you want me to address an issue ask me because I feel I already have countless times.
3.Prime was no worse for the wear after his battle while adam was. you say adam got pounded on so did Prime while he wasn't up to full power. Adam was more powerful than normal yet in another thread an amp matters when frost giants come up but here you readily dismiss it. Oh and don't insult me.
4.The amp means he was more powerful than he is at normal levels. Prime at normal levels was much more dangerous than when he fought the heroes while adam was more powerful than at normal levels. Amps only matter to you when it's evidence for you not against you.
5.So did Prime. Prime killed them by mistake too mind you, initially. Adam killed what two weak heroes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.That wasn't my question.
2.I guess in your weird odg universe asking helps really means I could do it on my own.
3.Ah, lol. I thought it was cartesian. There are also instances of Superman going all out an dhe wouldn't hold back when carrying a planet. Simple.
4.Prime wasn't even close to being defeated at any point save the time he was bfr'd by 6 of them. Do you think flash at his best can beat Prime in a forum fight?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime's been bloodied by Krypto and Superboy. He's also been scarred for life by Superboy.

Originally posted by quanchi112

5.When you ask for help it's not something you can easily accomplish on your own. Do you think Superman asks WW for help when opening a coca cola? I know I can get this WW but just help me out here. Seriously.

The same feat was ridiculously easy for Prime. If someone easily throws up 300 and someone asks for help in getting it up who is stronger?

6.I am not trying to cover anything up. Prime being involved in that is something that wouldn't have occurred against Superman.

300 what? Attempts at straw-manning? You don't need help with that, good sir.

6. ... once again. You're quaneuvering won't work. Once again, SMP didn't "wreck" the Speedforce when he returned from exile in Infinite Crisis. You were wrong, not the end of the world as that whole scene is utterly irrelevant to SMP's strength compared to Superman's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here's the question again. Monarch fights neither they both going all out get the chance to breach his armor.

a)Can Superman do it?
b)Can Prime do it?

I know this is another odg dodge but seriously it gets old.

a) If Superman had the Guardian-amp, was bloodlusted, and was fighting Monarch toe-to-toe for an entire issue... and if Monarch let his guard down foolishly like he did against Prime, then yes, Superman could do it.
b) If SMP had the Guardian-amp, was bloodlusted, and was fighting Monarch toe-to-toe for an entire issue... and if Monarch let his guard down foolishly (like he actually did against Prime), then yes, SMP could do it (and did do it).

I know this is another attempt at fashioning a shallow question in the hopes of cornering me into a catch-22. But you lack the subtlety and the logic to do so. You waste electrons with these pitiable attempts.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. ... I'm not going to answer a question laced with idiocy. Don't ignore that Monarch and SMP beat on each other. Just because you think "how it happened isn't the issue" doesn't mean I agree with that brand of ignorance.
2. ... I guess you can't help but straw-man because you can't directly counter my rebuttals. Receiving help =/= needing help. Concession accepted.
3. ... Ah, lol. It wasn't. What basis do you have to throw out a bald statement like Superman wouldn't hold back? Gimme a break.
4. ... SMP got his a$$ beat. Also, a certain poster has also pointed out that: 5. ... keep straw-manning. Keep avoiding my arguments. We all know how natural it comes to you. Just remember, receiving help =/= needing help. Concession accepted.

300 what? Attempts at straw-manning? You don't need help with that, good sir.

6. ... once again. You're quaneuvering won't work. Once again, SMP didn't "wreck" the Speedforce when he returned from exile in Infinite Crisis. You were wrong, not the end of the world as that whole scene is utterly irrelevant to SMP's strength compared to Superman's. Here's the answer again:

a) If Superman had the Guardian-amp, was bloodlusted, and was fighting Monarch toe-to-toe for an entire issue... and if Monarch let his guard down foolishly like he did against Prime, then yes, Superman could do it.
b) If SMP had the Guardian-amp, was bloodlusted, and was fighting Monarch toe-to-toe for an entire issue... and if Monarch let his guard down foolishly (like he actually did against Prime), then yes, SMP could do it (and did do it).

I know this is another attempt at fashioning a shallow question in the hopes of cornering me into a catch-22. But you lack the subtlety and the logic to do so. You waste electrons with these pitiable attempts.

6. I never said that proved anything with regards to strength I just pointed out how unique Prime is with all regards.

a)dodge
b)dodge

I win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Dodge.
2.You have no common sense whatsoever. To suggest someone could do something when they asked for help as easily as Prime did on his own is ridiculous. I can't pm you common sense.
3.Do you honestly think he holds back when moving a planet?
4.He wasn't close to being beaten. Supes has bled by numerous times as well. Prime also easily blew right through his hand. Has Superman easily done anything to Prime? Nope. Supes has been rocked by far less than Prime bu the same characters. Your rebuttal will be he held his durability back.
5.Keep avoiding? I am showing you how ridiculous your logic is. You don't ask someone for help with something you can easily do on your own. Prime easily did so on his own while Superman needed help. You won't find him asking her to do something he can easily do on his own.

6. I never said that proved anything with regards to strength I just pointed out how unique Prime is with all regards.

a)dodge
b)dodge

I win.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
facepalm

Originally posted by quanchi112

I win.

lulz

I wonder how many pages it will take this time. think

Originally posted by quanchi112
Either respond to my posts or not at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I win.

what did you win?

Originally posted by -Pr-
what did you win?

my undying gratitude for posting in this forum regularly? 😕

LMAO. That dude has completely lost it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Dodge.
2.You have no common sense whatsoever. To suggest someone could do something when they asked for help as easily as Prime did on his own is ridiculous. I can't pm you common sense.
3.Do you honestly think he holds back when moving a planet?
4.He wasn't close to being beaten. Supes has bled by numerous times as well. Prime also easily blew right through his hand. Has Superman easily done anything to Prime? Nope. Supes has been rocked by far less than Prime bu the same characters. Your rebuttal will be he held his durability back.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Superman have a one on one fight with Prime other than when he defeated him in infinite crisis? Did Prime defeat Superman? Supes has been overpowered many times but has managed to defeat his opponent. Now i am not saying that Superman defeats prime but until Prime beats him decisively all you are doing is speculating.

Originally posted by quanchi112
5.Keep avoiding? I am showing you how ridiculous your logic is. You don't ask someone for help with something you can easily do on your own. Prime easily did so on his own while Superman needed help. You won't find him asking her to do something he can easily do on his own.

6. I never said that proved anything with regards to strength I just pointed out how unique Prime is with all regards.

a)dodge
b)dodge

I win.

a) whatever makes you sleep better
b) this was already on-panel, why did you even ask this question?

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. ... I'm pointing out your quote: "how it happened isn't the issue." If you don't care about everything leading up to that feat, why would you care about my answer (which I gave) in the first place? I'm not in the business of indulging your self-serving logic, just overturning it.
2. ... just like how receiving help =/= needing help... so is asking for help =/= needing help. Why do it yourself if you've got friends?
3. ... do you honestly think Superman, surrounded by people who could help him, would undo all the mental safeguards he has on his strength and go full-bore?
4. ... still got his a$$ beat. As for Superman/SMP, a certain poster once said: peaches 5. ... keep avoiding what? Your post didn't make sense. 300 what? And again receiving help =/= needing help. Repetition is supposed to be the best form of teaching, but it sure looks like you'll need extra study time...
6. ... no. You just tried suggesting that SMP "wrecked" the Speedforce in a debate as one of his feats to suggest he has superior strength compared to Superman. Look on page 9, thirteenth post. You ain't changing history with your quaneuvers.

a) whatever makes you sleep better
b) this was already on-panel, why did you even ask this question?

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a)I don't run from poster's questions that have to do with the topic.
b)Again keep dodging it only makes you look bad.

You're the only person who celebrates losing a debate I have witnesses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I asked you to answer a question and you won't do it. That's weak.
2.Again asking for help implies it's not an easy thing to do for him while it's very easy for Prime.
3.If lives are at stake and it's for an important cause why wouldn't he? Are you saying he's careless when it comes to human life?
4.Not getting your ass beat is what Henshaw did to Superman. Getting harmless blows in against Prime isn't getting your ass beat. Everything you type at this point gets worse and worse. I guess Prime loses to the flash according to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok he shot through Superman. I have seen characters knock him senseless while Prime didnt beat him. Nope not at all. He broke free from them. It doesnt mean he can defeat all of them. Thats just your opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
5.Again, I explained myself over and over again. Your insistence on repeating and avoiding questions stresses an inability to debate on your part.
6.I put that in with all the other rasons why Prime is above him in every way not just strength.

a)I don't run from poster's questions that have to do with the topic.
b)Again keep dodging it only makes you look bad.

a) I don't couch self-serving questions and divorce them from the circumstances on-panel.
b) SMP already tore Monarch's armor off at the end of an issue-long fight after Monarch foolishly let his guard down. This is on-panel. That's the answer. Do you even remember your questions?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're the only person who celebrates quanchi112 losing a debate I have witnesses.