Originally posted by the ninjak
Diana can be frozen and Bobby can't be destoyed.
If he can just slow her down for a second.
Nightcrawler would just teleport Logan on her back.
Diana is very hard to freeze, even more-so now that she can produce the heat of lightning (and she *would* zap herself if Bobby tried to freeze her blood, then she'd get serious and turn on the speed blitz).
Bobby can't be destroyed, but he *can* be taken out of the fight by tying him up with the lasso.
Logan gets on her back, she spins at high speed and throws him off.
Wonder Woman has a serious edge on her own. Adding in Batman just helps more.
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wow.
has WW ever shown to use her lightning that way?
batman would be dead in mere seconds by anyone of his opponents at least passed out.
multi ports would leave diana weaken or at least disoriented for a follow up attack from cyclops and a stab from logan.... Iceman alone could solo this but here he would just freeze her internally so his team mates feel helpful
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wow.has WW ever shown to use her lightning that way?
She's had it for 10 comics, so no? But what precisely is stopping her? It definitely can be used that way, it's electricity. She's been known to self-harm to win before. Dive in molten metal, sear her flesh on angelic matter, etc.. So it's totally in-character and easily done.
batman would be dead in mere seconds by anyone of his opponents at least passed out.
Do you know who Batman is?
multi ports would leave diana weaken or at least disoriented for a follow up attack from cyclops and a stab from logan.... Iceman alone could solo this but here he would just freeze her internally so his team mates feel helpful
'Weakened' Diana is still stronger than Colossus 🙂 She does have a healing factor too, so it's unlikely to be all that effective (likewise she can take some adamantium stabs and stay in the fight). Also she has incredible reflexes (better than Superman's) and could pop Nightcrawler while he tries his porting thing anyway, easily.
Your scenario seems to imply the X-men have the initiative and can do what they want, too. Overlooking she's faster, stronger, and will easily be on the offensive and one-shotting X-men left and right, while Batman stalls one or two more.
my scenario has them acting as a team as is their function and having everyone acting within Cis.
if i had them at their best WW would blitz everyone and fail to ko Iceman and he in turn would kill them just as instantly. 😬
in my scenarios i am having her behave like she would in any other battle she has bn in. which is her speed blitz would not be her 1st trick out of her bag.
Batman without PIS would not know a damn think about the X men and their various patterns of attack.
he wouldnt add a damn thing for diana's side. a multi port from kurt and he is out. cis on kurt.
a blitz claw charge at superhuman speed from logan cis on and bats is out or severely wounded.
An Optic Blast from scott to bats noggin and bats is out cis on. even a wide optic block blast would be enough to ko bats.
WW Cis on could and would beat colossus but not after making sure she knows his lvl of strength and durability same goes for every X man including colossus and ice man.
did i mention iceman can just slow down and freeze their brains keeping them from reacting or moving.....
WW can and should win this easy with CIS off and full knowledge of her opponents but with basic populace knowledge it is not enough.
also i doubt her HF will keep her in the game long after logan manages a sneak or assisted port by kurt and guts her or stabs a lung.
aside from that it is very in character for scott and logan to just outright kill her due to the X force thing..
CIs on her chances drop significantly
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Originally posted by Lord Feron
Would be curious is the lasso would be able to trap Iceman where he is then throw away him and the lasso.... any thoughts on that guys?
would she be aware of his durability and willing to risk killing bobby in a BFR tactic?
i think her lasso can keep him tied up.... unless their is a scan of someone slipping out of her ropes in comics. if so then i resend my previous statement.
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she would know they are mutants and have various powers but she wouldn't know too much about their actual strength and durability unless the majority of the MU populace are carrying squirrel girl comic cards.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
would she be aware of his durability and willing to risk killing bobby in a BFR tactic?i think her lasso can keep him tied up.... unless their is a scan of someone slipping out of her ropes in comics. if so then i resend my previous statement.
😕she would know they are mutants and have various powers but she wouldn't know too much about their actual strength and durability unless the majority of the MU populace are carrying squirrel girl comic cards.
THe whole lasso bfr thing has low possibility. I mean After bobby sees a few of his teammates go down. He is going to do something drastic. I see that happening before WW decides to throw the lasso on him and chuck him away. (and again not sure if he can psionically get out of it)
Yeah, has Diana even used that lightening trick after that one fight?
I was pretty sure it was a one time thing and Zeus was throwing her a bone.
Anyway, Diana ftw. She easily dispatches everyone and lassos Bobby. He can't disappear from her as she has obscure power ups like Eye of Palas which lets her see as Athena would see, the constant truth, and Eye of the Hunt (Artemis) which is her sensory upgrade.
If CIS/PIS is on, then Diana and Bruce would be jobbing for the X Team, with X Team winning about 7/10, or so. If CIS/PIS is off, then Diana can solo X Team, 7/10, while Bruce investigates how they wound up in such an absurd situation to begin with. Bobby's powers are considerable, but he won't be able to freeze WW to a crippling degree before she can take him down (WW's being frozen by Killer Frost - who in her most powerful form is not much below Bobby - was back before WW's past two or so upgrades; WW can tolerate the cold of space for protracted periods, as long as she holds her breath/has an air source). Diana's lasso can bind anything that has a soul, so while there may be a debate about Bobby if he's already in mist form, he won't be able to escape via that trick if she lasso's him first -- if she can discern his ambient form (which is possible with her Eyes of Pallas/Senses of the Huntress abilities), she might even be able to use the lasso to force him to reconstitute. That isn't a given, by any means, but well within the lasso's powerset (as it can even force temporally out-of-sync beings, such as Zoom, into a fixed form).
Bobby is the only real threat on Team X, in terms of this scenario; the others, while formidable, would be no match for WW, so Batman being there just makes it even easier.
Konton: Diana has used the ability several times now; it seems to be a permanent addition to her powerset, though she still doesn't have any finesse (or altogether conscious control) with it, at least by general standards (this will no doubt change in the future). Disclaimer: while I understand the upgrade, as it has been an alluded to advancement (her eventually achieving a portion of divine power) for about 20 years now, I don't actually care for it, in terms of her character, much as I have had very mixed feelings with Simone's writing for the past two years. But what's done is done: Diana is on her way to being a female Thor, of sorts, which only disappoints me (as she plays better as a character when not set in "competition" with male standards of power) and will no doubt annoy Quan, as his (flawed) view of her as a character will be "corrected"... though not in a manner I would have liked or approved of... (Which reminds me -- I was supposed to respond to another thread a number of days ago, and forgot...)
Rant concluded. Apologies for length.
As long as they aren't jobbing, I think WW & Bruce will win the majority even CIS/PIS on. They might start out on the defense due to the array of powers they face, but likewise the X-men won't be doing anything to put them down. By the time Bobby starts really cranking up the cold, the gloves'll be off on both sides.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
do you think the basic knowledge of the MU populace would be enough to warn WW?they are known as just being a random band of mutant terrorist more often then not and no one having much info of anyone in specific.
same would go for batman he is an urban myth the only well known hero is WW.....
Let's be fair here. The Marvel team doesn't have a lot of knowledge either. They'll know just about nothing about Batman so someone is going to spend some time trying to figure out what his deal is. I'm guessing it will most likely be Gambit or Wolverine.
And what do the X-men know about Diana. That she's strong and can fly? I doubt they know the how strong she really is. Colossus will probably go charging in and promptly get ko'ed. The also know nothing about the powers of the lasso, which I think, will be their downfall.
And I think WW and Bats have all the knowledge they need really. They are fighting a guy named Iceman. Do you really think 2 people as smart as Bruce and Diana won't be able to work that one out?
I am not remotely convinced that Wolverine would be able to take down Diana. When was the last time her skin was punctured by a non-magical blade hurled by the strength of someone like Wolverine? Also, how would the X-men even know that is their only option? I think Logan would be able to cause her pain, but I don't see him doing any serious damage.
The others are cannon fodder. Cyclops' blast would get deflected back at him, taking him and anyone close by out. Gambit would be outmatched in a H2H fight and Diana is still faster than Nightcrawler.
The only issue for the DC duo is Iceman. Can Bobby not be knocked out at all? (I'm really asking.) If he is in solid form and is hit by someone as strong as WW, can he NOT be ko'ed? And Bobby goes into mist form, you can bet that Diana will go to the lasso right away. She knows a thing or two about intangible foes and she will know that the lasso is her best bet. As I mentioned earlier, Bobby won't know about the properties of the lasso. It is speculation whether or not the lasso will be able to grab him while he is in mist form. I personally think it would.
With no CIS/PIS on then the DC team stomps. CIS/PIS on I think the marvel team could get some wins if Diana is somehow caught of guard and they are able to gang up on her. I would still give the majority to Bats and Diana though. Batman is probably more of an asset with CIS on because he is "the Batman."
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Let's be fair here. The Marvel team doesn't have a lot of knowledge either. They'll know just about nothing about Batman so someone is going to spend some time trying to figure out what his deal is. I'm guessing it will most likely be Gambit or Wolverine.And what do the X-men know about Diana. That she's strong and can fly? I doubt they know the how strong she really is. Colossus will probably go charging in and promptly get ko'ed. The also know nothing about the powers of the lasso, which I think, will be their downfall.
And I think WW and Bats have all the knowledge they need really. They are fighting a guy named Iceman. Do you really think 2 people as smart as Bruce and Diana won't be able to work that one out?
I am not remotely convinced that Wolverine would be able to take down Diana. When was the last time her skin was punctured by a non-magical blade hurled by the strength of someone like Wolverine? Also, how would the X-men even know that is their only option? I think Logan would be able to cause her pain, but I don't see him doing any serious damage.
The others are cannon fodder. Cyclops' blast would get deflected back at him, taking him and anyone close by out. Gambit would be outmatched in a H2H fight and Diana is still faster than Nightcrawler.
The only issue for the DC duo is Iceman. Can Bobby not be knocked out at all? (I'm really asking.) If he is in solid form and is hit by someone as strong as WW, can he NOT be ko'ed? And Bobby goes into mist form, you can bet that Diana will go to the lasso right away. She knows a thing or two about intangible foes and she will know that the lasso is her best bet. As I mentioned earlier, Bobby won't know about the properties of the lasso. It is speculation whether or not the lasso will be able to grab him while he is in mist form. I personally think it would.
With no CIS/PIS on then the DC team stomps. CIS/PIS on I think the marvel team could get some wins if Diana is somehow caught of guard and they are able to gang up on her. I would still give the majority to Bats and Diana though. Batman is probably more of an asset with CIS on because he is "the Batman."
I think if she punched him he would just break and reform, but would not be KOed.
If he goes into mist and freezes her I can see him winning, he gets pretty close to absolute zero and he can possess the water in her body and manipulate it directly too. He also prevented sunfire from activating his powers by inhibiting heat exchange arround him and IIRC within his body as well, so some form of metabolic shutdown might be an option also - this was a once in a lifetime thing though and the writer probably did not even understand what this power entails as all metabolic reactions (and therefore all life) are a form of heat exchange.
How would the lasso grab him in mist form?
WW durability has never bn a question it is a well known comic fact that she can be pierced and injured by low lvl piercing attacks hence the bracelets.
logan should just as easily stab her as any other person.
the fact that it is rarely seen nowadays is beside the point it is still part of her character and history.
as a matter of fact she shouldnt have bn able to survive being close to the sun or taking a straight blast from supes with how her durability power works they only activate when she is fast moving via her speed of mercury as a safety precaution......
but i digress... PIS in the DC is usually standard so i wont say much about her durability feat.
aside from that Diana has no way of taking out bobby other then assumptions. he is pure thought psionic energy. unless their is feat of her holding someone like bobby i dont she can do it...precedence would be nice.
but before she can pull that off i can see bobby straight out stopping both of them regardness via internal freezing.
Cis still on she wouldnt punch colossus as hard as she could without knowing the repercussions.
if she knows their code names then yes i could see her attacking bobby but i also dont see her single him out over guys whose names are colossus or cyclops.......
Originally posted by Q99Her frost powers are higher than Bobby's? So she can go absolute zero -1?
Frost must've been pretty charged up (and being a Firestorm foe, I'd say that at higher levels, her frost powers are probably stronger than Bobby's. She doesn't have much limit).
I'd assume her not having much limit is better than the definition of an omega level mutant... the whole unlimited potential and all...
Originally posted by Blanket
Her frost powers are higher than Bobby's? So she can go absolute zero -1?
She can inflict damage on tough foes easier- I'd express it as she can drain heat from foes that much faster.
I'd assume her not having much limit is better than the definition of an omega level mutant... the whole unlimited potential and all...
Killer Frost can charge up, and the more heat she has, the stronger her heat draining powers become. So if she's standing on the sun, she's orders of magnitude stronger than if she's on the Alaskan tundra.
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WW durability has never bn a question it is a well known comic fact that she can be pierced and injured by low lvl piercing attacks hence the bracelets.logan should just as easily stab her as any other person.
Note, her skin is easier to piece, but that doesn't make stabbing an easy way to take her down. Her bones are still super-tough, she still has a healing factor, and her tissue is still dense so not all that much damage gets delt even if she does suffer some major cuts, she can be sliced up a ton and stay in a fight.
Cheetah can claw her up for awhile without Diana going down, and Wolverine's got absolutely squat on Cheetah.