Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i not completely convinced the lasso can hold him but i will concede to it, my second though is even if he is contained and forced back into a physical form cant he still just freeze her internally not to kill her but stop her before she can command him to do anything like i dont know surrender.
The only trick to that is she doesn't have to "command" Bobby about anything -- the lasso subdues whomever it encircles. Bobby won't be able to commit any hostile action while bound; it's an automatic effect of the lasso. I think that that is something alot of people forget about when certain posters refer to WW "one-shotting" someone: they don't necessarily mean via physical power, but via the lasso subdueing whomever it binds. Note: there are some instances where, due to Diana attempting to take a different tact with the lasso, or her opponent being of a very specific nature, that "x" opponent was able to circumvent this -- one classic example is when she lasso'd Deathstroke and said she wanted him to see what an assh0le he was (not that word, specifically, but the family friendly version), but his being truly comfortable with his own nature/inner-self allowed him to shrug off the effect and he back-handed her (which I thought was awesome - it really was like a pimpslap; all he needed was a wordbubble saying "Where ma' money at, b!tch?", and I would have been rolling). As was clarified in "Postscripts to Paradise", if Diana had been lassoing him with the intent of subdual, he would have been powerless; her anger and intent at the specific instance in dealing with him allowed him the window of escape, metaphysically speaking.
Bobby ain't gonna have that option in a forum fight.
Originally posted by tideoftime
The only trick to that is she doesn't have to "command" Bobby about anything -- the lasso subdues whomever it encircles. Bobby won't be able to commit any hostile action while bound; it's an automatic effect of the lasso. I think that that is something alot of people forget about when certain posters refer to WW "one-shotting" someone: they don't necessarily mean via physical power, but via the lasso subdueing whomever it binds. Note: there are some instances where, due to Diana attempting to take a different tact with the lasso, or her opponent being of a very specific nature, that "x" opponent was able to circumvent this -- one classic example is when she lasso'd Deathstroke and said she wanted him to see what an assh0le he was (not that word, specifically, but the family friendly version), but his being truly comfortable with his own nature/inner-self allowed him to shrug off the effect and he back-handed her (which I thought was awesome - it really was like a pimpslap; all he needed was a wordbubble saying "Where ma' money at, b!tch?", and I would have been rolling). As was clarified in "Postscripts to Paradise", if Diana had been lassoing him with the intent of subdual, he would have been powerless; her anger and intent at the specific instance in dealing with him allowed him the window of escape, metaphysically speaking.Bobby ain't gonna have that option in a forum fight.
So the lasso needs to encircle or would any contact with some of the water molecules in the air be enough to subdue him?
Originally posted by carver9
WTF, when has Wonder Woman ever fought like this? Can you show me a scan of her fighting this fast?Seeing everything in slow motion.
Thats how how speedsters see things. She is capable of hanging with Superman. Anyone even trying to argue she doesn't have the SPEED to take out Iceman before he can pull one on her is a disney fan boy.
Originally posted by Placidity
Not out of character, just not bound by PIS. Same thing would go for Flash and any other speedster as to why they wait around for more than one panel in comics.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
quicksilver knows Bobby and how do deal with him and it would be within character and morality to behave in such a fashion
Um the question was "was she quick enough". The answer is an obvious yes. Don't twist this into another argument. Also morality? It's not "within her morality" to lasso someone?
Originally posted by Warlord
yes
you only need to assume she is the first to think/act which you have no clue will happen
Are you trolling? You already asked me if she would punch him first and I said probably yes. If I assumed she did know what to do from the start, I wouldn't have said she would punch him, she would lasso him from the get go.
Originally posted by 753
So the lasso needs to encircle or would any contact with some of the water molecules in the air be enough to subdue him?
Contact is sufficient to apply its power in a general form (anyone in even the most cursory contact with it, for example, will begin only speaking the truth, often with levels of awareness/insight they weren't even conscious of); as far as his being in a mist state, as I've already said, the lasso isn't necessarily an automatic takedown in that scenario, but it is, however, very plausable that it could work, as the lasso works in a quesi-telekinetic manner, often being depicted as ensnaring persons/objects in a manner in defiance of the way in which it is thrown. But like I said: Not a given, by any means, will it force him into a solid form, merely that it is within its demonstrated powerset to be able to do such a feat.
To take another angle on this: much as some people would no doubt be underestimating Bobby's abilities/potential, if they haven't been keeping tabs on him over the past 2-3 decades (as was the case with another poster), a similar number would also be underestimating WW's abilities, and the powersets of her weapons, if they really hadn't been paying attention over the past 25 years. Which is why I said it's very plausable, but not a definite.
Originally posted by Harbinger
The X-Men, Bobby excluded, are cannon fodder. Diana could smoke them with ease.However, how could Wondy/Bats KO Iceman?
Like as it's been being posted, their best bet is for WW to withstand/evade Bobby's attacks, and then bind him with the lasso, for a TKO, as Bobby wouldn't be able to free himself; the secondary debate is about him already being in a mistform, and would the lasso work. It has worked against other opponents with similarly "inaccessable" forms, and its binding is as much (in fact, moreso) a mystical phenomena as it is a physical one. But in a forum context, it isn't a definite, so there is room for an "out of 10" split on the scenarios where it works, and the ones where it doesn't.