Originally posted by Q99Tough beings like Stranger, and freezing a Celestial ship/the whole battlefield in the blink of an eye? *cough* Oblivion...
She can inflict damage on tough foes easier- I'd express it as she can drain heat from foes that much faster.Killer Frost can charge up, and the more heat she has, the stronger her heat draining powers become. So if she's standing on the sun, she's orders of magnitude stronger than if she's on the Alaskan tundra.
Note, her skin is easier to piece, but that doesn't make stabbing an easy way to take her down. Her bones are still super-tough, she still has a healing factor, and her tissue is still dense so not all that much damage gets delt even if she does suffer some major cuts, she can be sliced up a ton and stay in a fight.
Cheetah can claw her up for awhile without Diana going down, and Wolverine's got absolutely squat on Cheetah.
Right. But Iceman is supposed to have no limits. So I can't see how a limit argument is being brought up...
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
WW durability has never bn a question it is a well known comic fact that she can be pierced and injured by low lvl piercing attacks hence the bracelets.logan should just as easily stab her as any other person.
the fact that it is rarely seen nowadays is beside the point it is still part of her character and history.
as a matter of fact she shouldnt have bn able to survive being close to the sun or taking a straight blast from supes with how her durability power works they only activate when she is fast moving via her speed of mercury as a safety precaution......
This entire section of your post actually proves that Diana's durability IS in question. You claim that she should not have been to survive a number of things, yet she has. And also, no the piercing thing is not well established. We've seen scans of her being shot by bullets but not being pierced. She felt pain but was only stunned momentarily. I maintain that Wolverine does not have the requisite strength to mortally wound Diana. As Q99 pointed out, Diana has tussled with Cheetah who has *magical* claws and is far, far faster and stronger than Logan.
The fact that is rarely seen is not besides the point because the entire argument is that she has steadily received upgrades over the last decade.
Please show me a scan where it is stated that her durability is only activated while she is moving quickly. I have never heard such a thing.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
but i digress... PIS in the DC is usually standard so i wont say much about her durability feat.aside from that Diana has no way of taking out bobby other then assumptions. he is pure thought psionic energy. unless their is feat of her holding someone like bobby i dont she can do it...precedence would be nice.
but before she can pull that off i can see bobby straight out stopping both of them regardness via internal freezing.
Cis still on she wouldnt punch colossus as hard as she could without knowing the repercussions.
if she knows their code names then yes i could see her attacking bobby but i also dont see her single him out over guys whose names are colossus or cyclops.......
It's nice that you assume Diana is jobbing this entire fight and the X-team is not. CIS is on. I seriously doubt Iceman is opening up by freezing someone's internal organs or that he will be using his powers his full-potential.
You have precedence. She's held MM in her lasso. Once it gets around anyone, it's lights out unless they don't have a soul. There is no speculation about that point whatsoever. The only question that remains is whether the lasso can grasp him while he is already in mist form. There is no evidence to say one way or the other, but given the *mystical properties of the lasso* I am inclined to think that it can. It's just as much of an assumption on your part to assume that he cannot be caught by it. We can argue this point all day.
In your above analysis you've also completely ignored the defensive properties of both the bracers and the lasso. Iceman's offense would not be able to overcome either.
I already addressed Cyclops and Colossus in my previous post. Neither is occupying her long enough to give Bobby an opening. Also, she doesn't need to hit Colossus "as hard as she could" to deal with him. With CIS on, you are right that she would be unlikely to use such strength off the bat. Even while holding back, however, she has plenty of strength and speed to deal with him quickly.
And we are all ignoring Diana's partner in this battle. While it's true that in a real fight Bats would likely be a non-factor (unless he gets into a H2H fight with Gambit or Cyclops) with CIS on I'd expect bats to be pulling some tricks out with his gadgets trying to provide some cover/time for Diana.
Originally posted by 753
I think if she punched him he would just break and reform, but would not be KOed.If he goes into mist and freezes her I can see him winning, he gets pretty close to absolute zero and he can possess the water in her body and manipulate it directly too. He also prevented sunfire from activating his powers by inhibiting heat exchange arround him and IIRC within his body as well, so some form of metabolic shutdown might be an option also - this was a once in a lifetime thing though and the writer probably did not even understand what this power entails as all metabolic reactions (and therefore all life) are a form of heat exchange.
How would the lasso grab him in mist form?
While not a given, situation-wise, the debate about her being able to lasso Bobby in mistform is that the lasso can bind *anything* that has a soul -- she's bound temporally out of sync beings, gods, and similar. The lasso's battle limitation is that it doesn't have as great an influence over truly soulless constructs (magic-driven golems, true robots, kinetically animated objects, and such). The lasso may well have the ability to force Bobby back into a solidied form by coming in contact with part of his dispersed form, much as it forced Zoom into temporal sync with everything around him when it made contact with him. Is this a given/definite outcome? Not at all. But it *is* a very distinct possibility, and could very well work. Not a sure-shot, but still a viable threat.
EDIT: Oh, and what Q99 said, too.
Originally posted by tideoftime
While not a given, situation-wise, the debate about her being able to lasso Bobby in mistform is that the lasso can bind *anything* that has a soul -- she's bound temporally out of sync beings, gods, and similar. The lasso's battle limitation is that it doesn't have as great an influence over truly soulless constructs (magic-driven golems, true robots, kinetically animated objects, and such). The lasso may well have the ability to force Bobby back into a solidied form by coming in contact with part of his dispersed form, much as it forced Zoom into temporal sync with everything around him when it made contact with him. Is this a given/definite outcome? Not at all. But it *is* a very distinct possibility, and could very well work. Not a sure-shot, but still a viable threat.EDIT: Oh, and what Q99 said, too.
Bu then the lasso doesn't actually need to encircle the person and any contact would suffice?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
3/10 in a complete blitz never allowing the match to exceed .001 seconds... i call it completely out of character
Did you just say you would only give Diana 3/10 even if she employed the blitz?
Not out of character, just not bound by PIS. Same thing would go for Flash and any other speedster as to why they wait around for more than one panel in comics.
Originally posted by Placidity
Did you just say you would only give Diana 3/10 even if she employed the blitz?Not out of character, just not bound by PIS. Same thing would go for Flash and any other speedster as to why they wait around for more than one panel in comics.
no. i meant i give her doing that at least 3/10.
completely out of character she would do it 10/10
my bad i sucked in english class in school.. 😮
damn me not paying attention in sentence structure
Originally posted by Placidity
Did you just say you would only give Diana 3/10 even if she employed the blitz?Not out of character, just not bound by PIS. Same thing would go for Flash and any other speedster as to why they wait around for more than one panel in comics.
Where does it say that there is no pis here?
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Where does it say that there is no pis here?
You have to ask? Or just getting desperate?