Wonder Woman & Batman vs The X-Men

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Her taking him into space is ridiculous. However, if she lasso's him then she doesn't need to do anything else. He's down for the count.

I also think people are underestimating how smart and tactical a fighter WW is. She may not know the full extent of Bobby's powers from the get go, but it won't take her long to figure it out. She *will* lasso him eventually and I believe that it will happen before Bobby can do any permanent damage to Diana.

This is of course speculation on my part but with basic knowledge of all the x-men, I think Diana and Bruce would put Bobby at the top of the list to take down first. Wolverine and Gambit pose no threat to Diana and Bats could handle 1 of them for a while on his own. Cyclops, while powerful, can be dealt with with the bracers. Colossus is a brick and WW is used to dealing with far more dangerous bricks. I would give runner-up to Nightcrawler. Why? Because he and Iceman would provide the biggest tactical challenges. A guy who can teleport around and a guy who can freeze molecules are not people you want running around when you are outnumbered.

And is Bobby this hardened killer that some posters are portraying? Is he going to come out of the box trying to freeze internal organs? Will he start out a fight in mist form? (I'm not being rhetorical. I'm really asking.) I agree that WW won't start off using strength levels as if she were fighting Superman, but is Bobby starting off like that as well? I ask because I think the X-men's best chance is for Bobby to kill WW right from the whistle blow. If he doesn't, I don't see him getting an advantage on her. Once she's taken out some of his teammates, he won't have the element of surprise. And if he gos into mist form, I'm inclined to believe the Eyes of Pallas would still allow her to see him and the lasso would be able to target his soul.

And just out of personal curiosity, does anyone have the scan of Killer Frost freezing Diana?

Well i was just talking to the other dude where he thinks that Speed blitzing Iceman means a insta-win, actually speed blitzing the whole team in less than a second just seems popsterious.

Im not saying the possibility of WW fighting iceman she will slowly learn that iceman isn't going to stay down after him reforming a few times. But I just thing there is a greater chance of him doing soemthing that can kill team one before WW decides to lasso him.

NEither one will Do a speedblitz lasso throw or Freeze your brain move from the get go, i agree with you on that.

But after bobby sees a few people die, I am confident he is going to be like "**** you die" and do something drastic, i guess you could say the same if batman died. I think the odds of either side winning is pretty good.

But Diana does do lasso throws sooner or later very often in fights, Bobby rarely does brain-freeze at all, and I'd think Diana'd be resistant to it.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Well i was just talking to the other dude where he thinks that Speed blitzing Iceman means a insta-win, actually speed blitzing the whole team in less than a second just seems popsterious.

Im not saying the possibility of WW fighting iceman she will slowly learn that iceman isn't going to stay down after him reforming a few times. But I just thing there is a greater chance of him doing soemthing that can kill team one before WW decides to lasso him.

NEither one will Do a speedblitz lasso throw or Freeze your brain move from the get go, i agree with you on that.

But after bobby sees a few people die, I am confident he is going to be like "**** you die" and do something drastic, i guess you could say the same if batman died. I think the odds of either side winning is pretty good.

I agree with you for the most part. The one point I strongly disagree on is the use of the lasso. She uses it regularly. I don't think it's going to take multiple shatterings before WW figures out that the lasso is her best bet. Spending so much time fighting along side J'onn she knows a thing or two about dealing with foes who can go intangible and are hard to put down. In all honesty, I think Diana prefers to use the lasso over brute strength because she doesn't have to worry about gauging her strength levels so she doesn't hurt somoeone too badly.

Like Q99, I think she would be resistant to freezing as well. I'm not saying that it would be impossible for Bobby to do it, but I don't think a run of the mill ice blast will do the trick. And like you said, neither one of them is likely to go for the kill right off the bat.

For either team to get the win one of two things has to happen. Diana has to realize that she must lasso Bobby or The X-men have to realize that their only shot is for Bobby to go all out on Wonder Woman. I personally see scenario one happening before/more often than scenario 2.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Her taking him into space is ridiculous. However, if she lasso's him then she doesn't need to do anything else. He's down for the count.

True that. Cant argue there.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I also think people are underestimating how smart and tactical a fighter WW is. She may not know the full extent of Bobby's powers from the get go, but it won't take her long to figure it out. She *will* lasso him eventually and I believe that it will happen before Bobby can do any permanent damage to Diana.

I do believe that shes a great tactical fighter. I dont doubt it for a second. I think the longer the fight goes and once she realizes she cant really do anything to him physically, that will happen.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
This is of course speculation on my part but with basic knowledge of all the x-men, I think Diana and Bruce would put Bobby at the top of the list to take down first. Wolverine and Gambit pose no threat to Diana and Bats could handle 1 of them for a while on his own. Cyclops, while powerful, can be dealt with with the bracers. Colossus is a brick and WW is used to dealing with far more dangerous bricks. I would give runner-up to Nightcrawler. Why? Because he and Iceman would provide the biggest tactical challenges. A guy who can teleport around and a guy who can freeze molecules are not people you want running around when you are outnumbered.

Well if we wanna talk basic knowledge, that doesnt nearly make Iceman seem to be the most powerful. All is would say, is what all of the handbooks say. "Ability to transform into organic ice,create ice from moisture, ice slides, weapons.". Wonder Woman would probably think hes no more powerful than Ice, Freeze or Cap Cold. Now reading off basic knowledge, Gambit Nightcrawler or Wolvie would seem like more of a threat.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
And is Bobby this hardened killer that some posters are portraying? Is he going to come out of the box trying to freeze internal organs?

Him freezing a certain organ or blood wont kill the person. Simply rendering them frozen in place from the inside out or unconscious.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Will he start out a fight in mist form? (I'm not being rhetorical. I'm really asking.) I agree that WW won't start off using strength levels as if she were fighting Superman, but is Bobby starting off like that as well? I ask because I think the X-men's best chance is for Bobby to kill WW right from the whistle blow. If he doesn't, I don't see him getting an advantage on her. Once she's taken out some of his teammates, he won't have the element of surprise. And if he gos into mist form, I'm inclined to believe the Eyes of Pallas would still allow her to see him and the lasso would be able to target his soul.

He sure wouldnt. Him starting off that way is as ridiculous as her tossing him to space. Thing is, when hes shattered, he can still operate on high levels without reforming. His attacks wont be seen nor anticipated nor able to be countered.

Les remember that basic knowledge of Iceman would be ice control, organic ice transformation, sculptures, slides and blasts. Basic knowledge of Wondy would most likely be cl 100+ strength, super speed, and lasso.

Iceman would treat a fight with her, probably the same as he would with Namor.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Okay, Say your right she starts off the bat with a speedblitz at KIlling Levels (because thats what she does right? and all the time... 🙄).

I like how you put words in my mouth just so you can come up with some sort of relevant argument. Yes she speed blitz - no she wouldn't use deadly force unless necessary.

Originally posted by Warlord
so I guess Bobby's brain is slower just because he doesn't have superspeed.
ok...

You don't seem to understand there is "fast" and then there is "much faster". This concept has been lost on you since page one hasn't it? It's actually too simple for me to believe you aren't really trolling.

Quicksilver is "fast", but if I said Flash is too fast for him, according to your twisted logic, it translates to you as me saying Quicksilver isn't fast, and then you would start arguing he is fast.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Iceman would treat a fight with her, probably the same as he would with Namor.

That *was* an empty threat you realize, Bobby doesn't go around doing that.

And Diana having counters has been mentioned. Acting first, natural resistance to extreme temperatures, even shocking herself if needed. But more than likely, she just ties him up before he tries and that's that.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Well if we wanna talk basic knowledge, that doesnt nearly make Iceman seem to be the most powerful. All is would say, is what all of the handbooks say. "Ability to transform into organic ice,create ice from moisture, ice slides, weapons.". Wonder Woman would probably think hes no more powerful than Ice, Freeze or Cap Cold. Now reading off basic knowledge, Gambit Nightcrawler or Wolvie would seem like more of a threat.

It's the "transform into organic ice" part that I think would catch Diana and Bats attention. You'd have to come up with another way of taking him down than just punching. That's why I'm inclined to believe she'd lasso him, *if* she knew that he was capable of doing that. Gambit or Wolvie really aren't on her level at all. I honestly see Bat's going after one of them. I do agree that Nightcrawler would get placed high on the "let's take out first list."

Originally posted by jrodslam
Him freezing a certain organ or blood wont kill the person. Simply rendering them frozen in place from the inside out or unconscious.

I honestly don't know how WW's body would react to that.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thing is, when hes shattered, he can still operate on high levels without reforming. His attacks wont be seen nor anticipated nor able to be countered.

This is really the only question mark in the fight for me. Would her "enhanced" sight still allow her to see him and/or would the lasso still be able to grasp him while he's shattered? Those are questions I can't answer definitively.

pretty sure superman usd his ice breath and WW was depicted being hurt by it anguish in her face.... it didnt take her down completely but she was in pain...

Iceman can do a lot better work from the inside.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
pretty sure superman usd his ice breath and WW was depicted being hurt by it anguish in her face.... it didnt take her down completely but she was in pain...

Iceman can do a lot better work from the inside.

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No, not really; his breath had relatively little affect on her. She was free and mobile within a second or two, and out of his immediate line of sight. Really, the only thing it did was blow her back a few feet, onto the ground. Diana has shown considerable resistance to both intense heat and cold over the past decade or so -- the near zero temperature of space (and, conversely, it's intense heat when in a direct line of radiance) have little impact on her.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
pretty sure superman usd his ice breath and WW was depicted being hurt by it anguish in her face.... it didnt take her down completely but she was in pain...

That was the instance where she disappeared from his sight right after the attack and then smashed his ears with the bracers. Superman's freeze breath didn't do all that much.

When he does do the 'brain freeze' thing, it hasn't taken out his targets instantly, btw.

Originally posted by Q99
That *was* an empty threat you realize, Bobby doesn't go around doing that.

And Diana having counters has been mentioned. Acting first, natural resistance to extreme temperatures, even shocking herself if needed. But more than likely, she just ties him up before he tries and that's that.

Empty threat? Not at all. He would have done it especially considering hes familiar with Namor and knows Namor would attack him because of his short temper.

Batman isnt taking out Colossus, and once Wondy does so, Bobby will realize that its gonna have to be a tactic.