Superman Vs Loki

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Silver Age Magneto dodged it too. I think he couldn't even fly back then. I guess SA Magneto's speed > Superman's.
I'd have to agree.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"
Originally posted by Enyalus
His speed of thought was the speed of light back in Secret Wars. So sure, why not.

It was the X-Men vs Avengers mini-series, not Secret Wars.
What he did had nothing to do with his actual reaction time, since his consciousness left his body -- the one that's supposed to react to Superman-- and followed Captain Marvel magnetically alongside.
If you truly believe that Magneto has lightspeed reaction time, you better crawl back into Tony Stark's closet.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Philosophía
It was the X-Men vs Avengers mini-series, not Secret Wars.

Thanks for the correction.

Originally posted by Philosophía
What he did had nothing to do with his actual reaction time, since his consciousness left his body -- the one that's supposed to react to Superman-- and followed Captain Marvel magnetically alongside.

His consciousness was able to follow Monica who was traveling at lightspeed. That's the jist of it, isn't it? That should mean that he can think at the speed of light.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If you truly believe that Magneto has lightspeed reaction time, you better crawl back into Tony Stark's closet.

I don't, I just didn't have any amazing comeback to the strawman you posted. I do think, based on that feat, that his speed of thought = speed of light. Thinking something and getting your body to perform that action are two different things, of course. With Loki's spells though, that's not the case.

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Originally posted by Enyalus

We talking about Thor laying an asswhooping on Fenris and Mjolnir-wielding Loki in v2? If so, I guess I agree. Kind of hard to ignore that showing.

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I disagree with that one. Thor's hammer can travel at what, 3x the speed of light? And Superman, for all his speed, didn't dodge it when he had his chance.

c'mon eny--it wasn't travelling NEAR that fast when loki dodged so the point is kinda meaningless. and it's been harped on by others already! 😂

Okay. I'm pretty sure neither of us has solid proof on that one way or the other. The 'speed of thought' argument definitely varies.

true, as far as thought speed goes, but kal's speed is VERY well documented and i see no reason--based on feats--to think loki could counter it.

I just type out random responses and hope they're in the correct places in the correct situations. Which should explain some of my posts. lol

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Originally posted by leonidas
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c'mon eny--it wasn't travelling NEAR that fast when loki dodged so the point is kinda meaningless. and it's been harped on by others already! 😂

true, as far as thought speed goes, but kal's speed is VERY well documented and i see no reason--based on feats--to think loki could counter it.

infinite monkeys typing for infinite years will create shakespeare too! keep plugging away my friend! 😆

Loki can move at the speed of thought if need be and Thor's hammer can reach three times the speed of light relatively easily. Not saying he threw it that fast when he was fighting Loki but Thor lifts way over 100 tons just tossing his hammer is something rather hard to dodge.

kgkg Vigilante

Thought speed has been interpreted differently by writers over the years. I seem to recall a writer commenting that thought speed > Flash’s Light speed

as for this thread: Superman ftw.

Mindset Senior Member

Here's an obscure fact I bet you didn't know.

Shakespeare had an infinite amount of monkey souls trapped in his body.

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Originally posted by kgkg
Thought speed has been interpreted differently by writers over the years. I seem to recall a writer commenting that thought speed > Flash’s Light speed

as for this thread: Superman ftw.

Are you saying the speed of thought is equal the light speed for flash? Superman loses he can't do anything, he didn't even farewell against Entrigan who wasn't even doing magic just strength how does he deal with a guy who can use strength and magic? Superman rarely dodges in a close up fight I don't know why every one suddenly gets this idea now that he's fighting someone from marvel he will dodges, but what about when he fought Doomsday or Darkseid? Cmon we have to stick to the character if we don't wanna sound like fanboys

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanks for the correction.
You're welcome.
Originally posted by Enyalus
His consciousness was able to follow Monica who was traveling at lightspeed. That's the jist of it, isn't it? That should mean that he can think at the speed of light.
Is your tactic to repeat the same thing until I get bored of responding ? How nice.
I'll have to dumb this down, apprently.
You're passing off Loki physically dodging Mjolnir as proof of him being handle Superman's speed. Magneto has also physically dodged it, and as even you admitted, he's not lightspeed. But you still tried to use this instance, of him projecting his consciousness out of his physicall body and having it follow Monica magnetically alongside as proof of him physically being lightspeed, and thus your feat still being valid -- when that's obviously not the case.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't, I just didn't have any amazing comeback to the strawman you posted.
Me posting an example of a character that is definitley not even close to lightspeed movement or reaction speed (Magneto), doing the exact same thing you're trying to pass off as a lightspeed feat for Loki --the argument by itself being a strawman stance-- and then you using a feat that is supposed to prove that Magneto is lightspeed in order to save your initial argument -- when that's obviously not the case-- is me being a strawman ?

Shooting yourself in the leg after the strawman^2 arguments was funny though:

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thinking something and getting your body to perform that action are two different things, of course.

Good. That means that even if it means Magneto is able to think at lightspeed based on that instance -- which it obviously doesn't-- it still has no bearing on him physically dodging the Mjolnir, thus your initial argument is rendered null either way.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

you guys do know you're debating a tangential fight based on abc logic right?

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're passing off Loki physically dodging Mjolnir as proof of him being handle Superman's speed. Magneto has also physically dodged it, and as even you admitted, he's not lightspeed. But you still tried to use this instance, of him projecting his consciousness out of his physicall body and having it follow Monica magnetically alongside as proof of him physically being lightspeed, and thus your feat still being valid -- when that's obviously not the case.

Nah, I dropped (more like sidestepped) the Loki physically dodging Mjolnir as proof of being able to handle Supes' speed argument when you used Magneto to counter it. I then brought up the totally unrelated example of Magneto's thought speed, which related to the semi-debate Leonidas and I were having over thought speed in comics. So I wasn't actually rehashing the same thing. That would be pretty dumb.
Regardless of whether Magneto was outside of his body, it was still his consciousness, and thus his mental power/thought speed that was able to track Monica. Totally unrelated to the Loki dodging Mjolnir argument, which I wasn't clear on leaving behind.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Me posting an example of a character that is definitley not even close to lightspeed movement or reaction speed (Magneto), doing the exact same thing you're trying to pass off as a lightspeed feat for Loki --the argument by itself being a strawman stance-- and then you using a feat that is supposed to prove that Magneto is lightspeed -- when that's obviously not the case-- is me being a strawman ?

Shooting yourself in the leg after the strawman^2 arguments was funny though


The "SA Magneto dodged Mjolnir too, ergo SA Magneto's speed > Superman's" is a strawman and was what I was referring to. I know it was an oversimplification and not a serious thought, but its still a strawman and got me to drop the Loki dodging Mjolnir thing anyway. Wasn't intended as an insult, just a fact.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Good. That means that even if it means Magneto is able to think at lightspeed based on that instance -- which it obviously doesn't-- it still has no bearing on him physically dodging the Mjolnir, thus your initial argument is rendered null either way.

I'm not seeing why it obviously doesn't, but I agree on the no bearing part.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you guys do know you're debating a tangential fight based on abc logic right?
The argument itself, Loki dodging a hammer throw of unspecified speed and it being passed on as proof of Loki being able to handle Superman was a strawman stance, like I said in my previous post, so there's not much to go on about there. I just took the opportunity to give enyalus a warm welcome back.

kakuzu A new heart I see!!
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you guys do know you're debating a tangential fight based on abc logic right?

Wheres the abc logic here? I don't think it works that same way with Loki Marvel and Superman dc. Are you sayin glike how Loki is on even terms with Silver Surfer in terms of power and Silver Surfer can beat Superman?

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by kakuzu
Are you saying the speed of thought is equal the light speed for flash?
No I didn't say that. What I did say is that speed of thought varies depending on who is writing it. The flash was an example from a Flash comic were Grodd's thought speed > Wally's light speed.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by Enyalus
*snip*
So you basically just posted and mis-interpreted some irrelevant information to the actual subject after your initial argument that you gave up on, moving the discussion into something that has nothing to do with the actual thread ? 👆 I'm proud of you.

kakuzu A new heart I see!!
Originally posted by kgkg
No I didn't say that. What I did say is that speed of thought varies depending on who is writing it. The flash was an example from a Flash comic were Grodd's thought speed > Wally's light speed.

Well were talking about the speed of thought you don't have to really go in depth with it. Why would we consider the speed of thought with Flash when were talking about Loki moving at the speed of thought in Marvel?

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

it's a non-issue and not even an attribute you can rationally assume loki would have. the speed of the hammer throw and thor's intent behind it is the real question in that line of thinking, thor's held back against killing loki many times also.

anyway, direct combat situations are some of loki's least impressive showings, i wouldn't give him the majority over superman when the latter is all up in his face.

Enyalus MALE DOMINANCE!!!

Originally posted by Philosophía
So you basically just posted and mis-interpreted some irrelevant information to the actual subject after your initial argument that you gave up on, moving the discussion into something that has nothing to do with the actual thread ? 👆 I'm proud of you.

Essentially.

Incidentally, why does every Superman debate come down to whether or not they can react to the big blue shield's blitz? It's not like he does it even 40% of the time he's in fights. And Loki's magic far outstrips a lot of other magical powerhouses who would/have given Kal fits.

kakuzu A new heart I see!!

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's a non-issue and not even an attribute you can rationally assume loki would have.

anyway, direct combat situations are some of loki's least impressive showings, i wouldn't give him the majority over superman when the latter is all up in his face.

Again how else is Superman going to take him down? Loki has had his head taken off in three instances and lived. He has taken on Surtur and was even able to hurt him. He took a direct blast from destroyer point blank and was still standing. He has made weapons come out of nowhere and tricked Thor into hitting himself with his own Hammer. Superman can't do much against a guy so trickey.

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by kakuzu
Well were talking about the speed of thought you don't have to really go in depth with it. Why would we consider the speed of thought with Flash when were talking about Loki moving at the speed of thought in Marvel?
Some people <a page back or so> had questions about speed of thought , it has little relevance to the fight at hand.