Originally posted by Endless Mike
Eternity and Dormammu had to team up against him. Zom isn't known as one of the lords of Chaos or anything because he was an intruder to the universe. LT himself was worried about the evil energy he was spreading to the universe.
Yea, he was an intruder, an unnatural creation that wasn't part of chaos or order so he had to be eliminated. There others much stronger than Zom, they just didn't break the cosmic balance so nobody cared.
And I wouldn't say that they had to team up. Again, there's practically no detail of said battle. It just as well could have been Dormammu being too weak to take care of him so someone like Eternity stepped in to take care of it.
Originally posted by CortSether
Zom has shown nothing to suggest him being as high a tier as you claim.
Besides having the two highest standing cosmic entities worried about you, you're absolutely right.
btw, what has Shuma done that makes you think that he should be mentioned in the same sentence as Zom?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Besides having the two highest standing cosmic entities worried about you, you're absolutely right.btw, what has Shuma done that makes you think that he should be mentioned in the same sentence as Zom?
It's LT's job to erase any disorder in the cosmic balance. To say he was worried is way stretching it as he practically blinked Zom out of existence.
And okay I have my reasons.
1) Be powerful enough that Sise-Neg after absorbing a ton of magical power already did not want to attempt to destroy it because he wasn't even sure if he could.
2) Withstood an assault from the combined Vishanti while outside of its realm.
3) Already proven and stated to dwarf the powers of Mephisto and Satannish when in a lesser realm of his. (Yes I realize Zom is more powerful than these guys as well).
4) Strange acknowledges that Dormammu wouldn't admit inferiority to anyone else when Shuma taunts Strange with Dormammu's image. In saying Dormammu wouldn't admit it, it's effectively communicating Shuma's superiority.
5) As far as we know Shuma cannot be destroyed.
6) Strange had to merge with another chaos lord, had artifacts from Cyttorak and the rest of the Vishanti, and a **** ton of prep time to deal with his encounter, and only then it was Shuma's own energy chucked at it that "destroyed it".
Also, Steve Englehart wrote some of the more epic tales of Marvel what with Sise-Neg's journey. At that time he was writing some wacky out of this world material. Half of the issues he has Shuma mentioned it's building suspense for a creature more terrible than the likes of anything Strange had seen. Why build all that suspense and come out with a creature that is much weaker than one Strange had encountered previously? The whole purpose of the arc was for Shuma to be something on a level Strange had never dealt with.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
All it indicates is that you have a shot of taking Captain America in a fight. 😛
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Who did he get trapped by?Put the Shuma fan boy persona away. Shuma hasn't done anything that deserves the wanking you give him.
Shuma has proven itself far more than Zom has. I'm amazed at the credibility you give him based on a few haphazard and obscure details about his being defeated. Zom has done nothing but gets its ass kicked.
Oh, and a fraction of its power wasn't enough to harm WWH, what does that tell you?
Originally posted by CortSether
Shuma has proven itself far more than Zom has. I'm amazed at the credibility you give him based on a few haphazard and obscure details about his being defeated. Zom has done nothing but gets its ass kicked.Oh, and a fraction of its power wasn't enough to harm WWH, what does that tell you?
Again, what has Shuma done besides get beaten by Dr. Strange?
Needing the combined efforts of Eternity, and Dormammu just to imprison you speaks volumes.
Originally posted by Harbinger
Wasn't the problem with the Zom/Strange combo that Strange held Zom back?
Yeah, after he saw the damage he was causing he basically just stopped fighting.