Zom Vs Shuma Gorath

Originally posted by CortSether
Since Shuma has appeared in others besides Marvel then I do not see why he wouldn't be able to. Of course, I don't think DC has any interest in writing Shuma-Gorath into their works.

Also multiversal means being able to affect (under your own power) multiple universes, not visiting them. If that were the case then Superboy Prime would also be multiversal, as would any character that's ever visited another universe.

You're forgetting Conan was a Marvel character for a while, and he existed on 616 Marvel earth. So it's still one universe.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
You're forgetting Conan was a Marvel character for a while, and he existed on 616 Marvel earth. So it's still one universe.

Conan in the 1990s was not part of the Marvel Universe, so no it isn't still one universe.

He was when the Shuma stories were written

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He was when the Shuma stories were written

What happens in Conan is entirely separate from the Marvel continuity and actuality.

Shuma himself appeared in the Conan comic and tied the continuities together

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Shuma himself appeared in the Conan comic and tied the continuities together

Shuma-Gorath doesn't tie the continuities together it just appears in separate ones. That would mean the short story Kull is part of the Marvel continuity since Shuma-Gorath is mentioned in it, by that logic.

The point is that Shuma is not multiversal just because he is mentioned in other stories

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The point is that Shuma is not multiversal just because he is mentioned in other stories

There's only one Shuma-Gorath.

Originally posted by CortSether

Shuma is a chaos lord and is part of the balance between chaos and order

And Shuma has absolutely nothing to do with Lord Chaos & Master Order.

Originally posted by CortSether

Shuma-Gorath is not only in Marvel, but also mentioned in Robert E. Howard's 'Kull' and also appears in Conan the Barbarian. These are separate from the Marvel actualities and as such Shuma-Gorath is multiversal.

Originally posted by CortSether

It's not terrible logic. Shuma existed before Marvel even used the character and then he was used in Conan. They are actual literary and canon depictions by legit companies that have used them for story lines. It's not the same thing as a crossover or a parody appearance.

Originally posted by CortSether

Doesn't matter. It proves Shuma-Gorath is a multiversal entity since it effects worlds outside of Marvel's actuality - and Shuma is shown to have the power to invade separate actualities. No one company has the exclusive rights to Shuma-Gorath so anything printed about him by a company that decides to use the name/character goes. It's the same thing with what has happened to the Cthulhu character after the Lovecraft copyright expired and its powers have been expanded from one installation to the next.

First, Shuma being "multiversal"

Second, and funnier still, based on those reasons.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Let me ask you something: do you think the characters in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are all canon to their original works? Just because something is public access doesn't mean everything is canon. Otherwise I could just write Cthuhlhu as a pink monkey and lo and behold that would be canon and Cthulhu would be a pink monkey.

Shuma-Goraths actions in Cimmeria have no bearing on Marvel and vice versa.

Wasnt Selene from the Hellfire Club involved loosely in the Conan stories that Marvel put out? Seems like a lot of connections to assume they arent tied together.

If so, all that tells us is that obviously Selene is multiversal...

I was under the opinion the Conan stuff happend in regular Marvel continuity, just a long time ago. Arent the "ancient ones" mentioned in the marvel conan stories also mentioned in more modern marvel continuity?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Shuma has absolutely nothing to do with cosmic consonance.

And Shuma has absolutely nothing to do with Lord Chaos & Master Order.

...Shuma being a Chaos Lord would absolutely mean he's part of the cosmic balance. All of the chaos lords are.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If so, all that tells us is that obviously Selene is multiversal...

You're still here? 😬

It's different with Shuma-Gorath and Selene. Part of Shuma's power set is that it invades separate actualities. Selene doesn't.

Originally posted by CortSether

...Shuma being a Chaos Lord would absolutely mean he's part of the cosmic balance.
All of the chaos lords are.

I challenge you to provide any kind of proof to support this.

Originally posted by CortSether

It's different with Shuma-Gorath and Selene. Part of Shuma's power set is that it invades separate actualities. Selene doesn't.

But your Shuma claim is again false.

I challenge you to provide proof that suggests that Shuma's power-set
is to invade other actualities. (as in other companies outside of Marvel comics)

The Shuma of Marvel comics, is restricted to Marvel's omniverse,
and has absolutely nothing to do with any other company,
and as well, has nothing to do with Lord Chaos & Master Order.

Shuma can affect other dimensions,
and even gets power from other dimensions,
but these dimensions belong to the Marvel Universe.

You should really stop making fallacious claims friend.

Well it was stated that he was a Lord of Chaos, but everything he's saying is BS

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well it was stated that he was a Lord of Chaos, but everything he's saying is BS

You shouldn't type anything. You'll pull a muscle.