Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, but when Eternity went crazy, Strange didn't even bother prepping or trying to fight him since he knew it would all be useless. He actually had to ask Eternity to restore his powers so he'd be able to defend himself.
I'm not trying to say that Shuma is > Eternity.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I made the Shuma-Gorath respect thread and I still think Zom wins
And that somehow qualifies you more than others because you made a thread?
I have all of Shuma's appearances in comic book form right in front of me - and its very clear that he and Frank Brunner wrote Shuma-Gorath to be greater than the likes of anything Strange had seen previously, including Zom.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Since when is Shuma multiversal? He controlled multiple dimensions but those are different from universes.
Shuma-Gorath is not only in Marvel, but also mentioned in Robert E. Howard's 'Kull' and also appears in Conan the Barbarian. These are separate from the Marvel actualities and as such Shuma-Gorath is multiversal.
Originally posted by CortSether
Shuma-Gorath is not only in Marvel, but also mentioned in Robert E. Howard's 'Kull' and also appears in Conan the Barbarian. These are separate from the Marvel actualities and as such Shuma-Gorath is multiversal.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's terrible logic. I guess since Superman has appeared in Seinfeld he's also Multiversal.
It's not terrible logic. Shuma existed before Marvel even used the character and then he was used in Conan. They are actual literary and canon depictions by legit companies that have used them for story lines. It's not the same thing as a crossover or a parody appearance.
Originally posted by CortSether
It's not terrible logic. Shuma existed before Marvel even used the character and then he was used in Conan. They are actual literary and canon depictions by legit companies that have used them for story lines. It's not the same thing as a crossover or a parody appearance.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
My point stands: Marvel doesn't own the works of Robert E. Howard so you can't consider it canon. Cimmeria isn't a world in the Marvel multiverse.
Of course I can, it's the same character with the same implied powers and abilities. It's the exact same case with Cthulhu nowadays.
Originally posted by CortSether
Of course I can, it's the same character with the same implied powers and abilities. It's the exact same case with Cthulhu nowadays.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You miss the point. If you colored the Sentry red and blue and called him Superman he still wouldn't be Superman. The same name and same powers doesn't make the same character since what's canon to Cimmeria isn't canon to Marvel and vice versa.
Doesn't matter. It proves Shuma-Gorath is a multiversal entity since it effects worlds outside of Marvel's actuality - and Shuma is shown to have the power to invade separate actualities. No one company has the exclusive rights to Shuma-Gorath so anything printed about him by a company that decides to use the name/character goes. It's the same thing with what has happened to the Cthulhu character after the Lovecraft copyright expired and its powers have been expanded from one installation to the next.
Originally posted by CortSether
Doesn't matter. It proves Shuma-Gorath is a multiversal entity since it effects worlds outside of Marvel's actuality - and Shuma is shown to have the power to invade separate actualities. No one company has the exclusive rights to Shuma-Gorath so anything printed about him by a company that decides to use the name/character goes. It's the same thing with what has happened to the Cthulhu character after the Lovecraft copyright expired and its powers have been expanded from one installation to the next.
Shuma-Goraths actions in Cimmeria have no bearing on Marvel and vice versa.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Let me ask you something: do you think the characters in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are all canon to their original works? Just because something is public access doesn't mean everything is canon. Otherwise I could just write Cthuhlhu as a pink monkey and lo and behold that would be canon and Cthulhu would be a pink monkey.Shuma-Goraths actions in Cimmeria have no bearing on Marvel and vice versa.
I haven't read any LoEG so I can't make any comparison with that.
Shuma-Gorath's actions have no bearing in Cimmeria because it's separate from the Marvel actuality because Shuma can cross universes. It's really simple.
And yes, if you wrote Cthulhu as a pink monkey and it was published then yes Cthulhu would have the power to turn into a pink monkey.
Originally posted by CortSether
I haven't read any LoEG so I can't make any comparison with that.Shuma-Gorath's actions have no bearing in Cimmeria because it's separate from the Marvel actuality because Shuma can cross universes. It's really simple.
And yes, if you wrote Cthulhu as a pink monkey and it was published then yes Cthulhu would have the power to turn into a pink monkey.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
He cannot travel beyond the Marvel Omniverse which doesn't include Cimmeria. Or do you think Shuma could also enter DC on his own power?
Since Shuma has appeared in others besides Marvel then I do not see why he wouldn't be able to. Of course, I don't think DC has any interest in writing Shuma-Gorath into their works.