Originally posted by galactusischere
What has Zom exactly done? As far as I know, the only impressive thing about him was being beat by Eternity and Dormammu. We don't even know why or how.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dormammu was terrified of him, as was Umar. Zom is one of the few cases of the LT intervening without being summoned. One of the other cases was the HOTU. I'm not saying Zom is=HOTU or even =IG but he's definitely up there as far as threat is concerned to the point that Eternity on his own isn't enough.
agreed and thus a bigger threat than Shuma
Originally posted by CortSethernono
Sise-Neg recreated the entirety of Marvel. He's much more powerful than Zom or Eternity for that matter.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Answer me this. Has the LT ever appeared because of Shuma without being summoned?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Zom is one of the few cases of the LT intervening without being summoned.
hey guess what: LT dint intervene for Siseneg or Scarlet either so that means their < Zom? 😱
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dormammu was terrified of him, as was Umar. Zom is one of the few cases of the LT intervening without being summoned. One of the other cases was the HOTU. I'm not saying Zom is=HOTU or even =IG but he's definitely up there as far as threat is concerned to the point that Eternity on his own isn't enough.
We don't even know how Eternity defeated him or why he intervened.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
agreed and thus a bigger threat than Shuma
Dormammu wouldn't be able to put down Shuma-Gorath if he tried, either. Eternity intervened because Dormammu couldn't do it and then he trapped Zom in a vase, lickity split.
If Zom was anywhere as powerful as some people make him then even a fraction of his power should have defeated WWH when Strange summoned it, but no, Strange still got his ass kicked.
The Living Tribunal only showed up because Zom was a creation of evil. He went against the balance of chaos and order, since he wasn't a chaos lord, which is why LT showed up, because its his job to dispel any unbalance. It wasn't because Zom was so super powerful. LT rid Zom away with the flick of the hand.
Originally posted by CortSether
Dormammu wouldn't be able to put down Shuma-Gorath if he tried, either. Eternity intervened because Dormammu couldn't do it and then he trapped Zom in a vase, lickity split.If Zom was anywhere as powerful as some people make him then even a fraction of his power should have defeated WWH when Strange summoned it, but no, Strange still got his ass kicked.
The Living Tribunal only showed up because Zom was a creation of evil. He went against the balance of chaos and order, since he wasn't a chaos lord, which is why LT showed up, because its his job to dispel any unbalance. It wasn't because Zom was so super powerful. LT rid Zom away with the flick of the hand.
All that tells us, is that it was a small small fraction. After all, LT didn't exactly leave a whole lot behind.
Actually the reason why LT appeared was because strange severed Zom's forelock, which spread his evil energy across the earth, and LT was forced to appear to stop it from spreading to the rest of existence. Before that, LT was happy to let Zom kick Strange's ass all over the place.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Wrong. It was stated on panel that Eternity himself could not stop Zom. It took Dormammu and Eternity's combined efforts to defeat Zom.All that tells us, is that it was a small small fraction. After all, LT didn't exactly leave a whole lot behind.
Actually the reason why LT appeared was because strange severed Zom's forelock, which spread his evil energy across the earth, and LT was forced to appear to stop it from spreading to the rest of existence. Before that, LT was happy to let Zom kick Strange's ass all over the place.
Where is the logic in someone like Dormammu being able to make the slightest difference in helping someone infinitely more powerful than him? Combined efforts could mean anything, as in Eternity kicked Zom's ass but Dormammu helped out securing Zom by placing him in Chains of Living Bondage.
The forelock prevented Zom from being detected by other entities so Living Tribunal had no idea of Zom's existence beforehand. He wasn't happy to let Zom do anything at any point because he didn't know Zom existed.
Originally posted by CortSether
Where is the logic in someone like Dormammu being able to make the slightest difference in helping someone infinitely more powerful than him? Combined efforts could mean anything, as in Eternity kicked Zom's ass but Dormammu helped out securing Zom by placing him in Chains of Living Bondage.The forelock prevented Zom from being detected by other entities so Living Tribunal had no idea of Zom's existence beforehand. He wasn't happy to let Zom do anything at any point because he didn't know Zom existed.
Nowhere is that stated or even implied. What WAS stated by LT was "In severing Zom's forelock, you committed the second-- the unpardonable sin! For, in so doing, you set free the forces of mystic anarchy -- which now threaten to engulf us all!" It was the forelock being severed that called for LT's intervention to stop the spread of "mystic anarchy"; NOT Zom himself.
Originally posted by King Kandy
At the time you should know well (being a Strange fan apparently) that Dormammu was being depicted as on a similar level to Eternity and was able to take him on one on one.Nowhere is that stated or even implied. What WAS stated by LT was "In severing Zom's forelock, you committed the second-- the unpardonable sin! For, in so doing, you set free the forces of mystic anarchy -- which now threaten to engulf us all!" It was the forelock being severed that called for LT's intervention to stop the spread of "mystic anarchy"; NOT Zom himself.
Well, by the same token Shuma-Gorath was depicted as being far more powerful than Dormammu, who around that period in the late 60s and 1970s was written as being able to go toe to toe with Eternity. So by that logic Shuma-Gorath should be Eternity level because he was written as being a much greater threat than what Strange had faced before, including Dormammu.
Look, all we know about the Zom fight eons ago, was that Eternity and Dormammu had to team up. I don't know what that means except that neither one could do it alone. It could have been a 1001>1000 scenario, with Dormammu being the one that pushed it over.
We do know that Zom was at least equal to Eternity. We do know that Eternity is way stronger than Shuma Gorath. So really this seems like a no-brainer to me.
Originally posted by King Kandy
This is the kind of thing people would use as a sarcastic comment. In any case, while Shuma had to actually do battle with Strange, Eternity simply turned off his powers just by wishing it to be so.
To be fair, classic Strange couldn't face Shuma in its dimension with his normal power set. He had to fuse with another chaos lord to do it as well as he had lots of prep time, and magical artifacts from the vishanti and cyttorak.