I completely disagree. X-2 had a plot that was cohesive and made sense. Unlike XII's where is was just, 'Uh, ok, I'm stealing a gem.... I guess. Now I'm finding a sword. It better be good at least. Nope, crap. Ok, now the Empire's doing something evil. Shocker. Stopped them. What, thats the end? Waaa?'
Originally posted by Nephthys
I completely disagree. X-2 had a plot that was cohesive and made sense. Unlike XII's where is was just, 'Uh, ok, I'm stealing a gem.... I guess. Now I'm finding a sword. It better be good at least. Nope, crap. Ok, now the Empire's doing something evil. Shocker. Stopped them. What, thats the end? Waaa?'
I know, right? They made the sword completely useless. What a rip off.
X-2 random?
Been years since I finished it, but giving someone the benefit of the doubt...
What's bad about a story being random?🤣I personally would not want to listen to a story/watch a movie where I know what will happen later on as I get into it. What is random and unexpected is usually what turns out to be surprising and rememberable. If that's not what someone meant, then never mind...
Originally posted by TacDavey[SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED FFX-2 AND WANT TO LATER ON]Shuyin looks like Tidus, because Tidus was a faith based on Shuyin, the faith of course being "thoughts" or how the thoughts of the people of Zanarkand remembered Shuyin. For example, say you saw a picture of your dad when you were 2. 23 years later, you try to recall what he looked like in the image. Obviously you're not going to see him in your mind just as you saw him in the picture. Your image of him in your mind will be a little different. That is how the faith remembers Shuyin. Tidus is a thought based on the real person, Shuyin, which is why he doesn't look identical, but similar. That is why his clothes as well as his fighting moves are also similar. They are rememberances of the faith basically.
X-2's plot was a little... strange. I mean, [spoilers] there just so happened to be a guy from the past that looked exactly like Tidus? That seems like a stretch just to give us a mystery. [end spoilers]That being said, XII's plot wasn't much better. In my opinion, at least. Of all the FF story lines, it had to be one of the worst. There weren't really any plot twists to write home to mom about, the villains just weren't that intimidating, we've already been over the character development. Plus, sitting through breaks in the story so some old guy can talk about the political status of Dalmasca blah blah blah, was just annoying.
Likewise, there's a valid explanation why Ven from Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep looks 100% identical to Roxas, but I'm not going there obviously. 313
Thanks for that. However can we just agree that the two have an on par female cast. Well since the Vaan and Tidus debate is a dud, lets try comparing that. For exampe Lulu and Fran or Rikku and Penelo since Ashe and Yuna is already here.
At least XII had a better VA cast; some of those guys really got into their characters. Still XII had its own charm that you have to just like. At least XII let XIII be noticed unlike X-2 which made XI non-existent.(I'm joking)
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Stop spoiling XII for me. I'll be playing it for the first time tomorrow.
Why did you come onto a forum where they where debating one of the characters then?
Originally posted by FWahMaN
[b][SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED FFX-2 AND WANT TO LATER ON]Shuyin looks like Tidus, because Tidus was a faith based on Shuyin, the faith of course being "thoughts" or how the thoughts of the people of Zanarkand remembered Shuyin. For example, say you saw a picture of your dad when you were 2. 23 years later, you try to recall what he looked like in the image. Obviously you're not going to see him in your mind just as you saw him in the picture. Your image of him in your mind will be a little different. That is how the faith remembers Shuyin. Tidus is a thought based on the real person, Shuyin, which is why he doesn't look identical, but similar. That is why his clothes as well as his fighting moves are also similar. They are rememberances of the faith basically. [/B]
Really? I actually thought it might be something like that but I don't remember them ever specifying that in the game.
Originally posted by FWahMaN
Likewise, there's a valid explanation why Ven from Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep looks 100% identical to Roxas, but I'm not going there obviously. 313
There sure as hell better be. I mean seriously, lets not get lazy here people.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Yeah, like hell.
Dresspheres = randomness.
For a moment I though: 'Hell! What the... This is Sailor Moon?'
Final Fantasy X story-line has been ruined... *claps*'
Actually its a move/throw back to the old version of gameplay FF games used to have, where you could choose the class of your characters.
SPOILERS hey Tec, damn, I don't remember where I heard this lol, been a loooong while since I played them...I'll google it..
Ok, I can't seem to find any reliable sources (they're all forums for some reason) but you can google "tidus faith based on shuyin" and you'll read many instances where this is mentioned. Not only that, but I doubt there is a better explanation. We know Tidus is based off of someone. He's not real after all. Shuyin is the closest match (looks, moves, clothes, abilities, etc.) 😄
New guy here!
And to bring more light to the Vaan vs Tidus talk. I think this would totally go in Vaan's favor if we count all the skill he's gain in RW and TA2. Though since we're only counting FFXII than I think its pretty even. It could go literally either way
First things to consider. Vaan has more experience with a sword. It is known in game he practices fighting those giant rats. He states its good practice for whats in the desert. Its not known how long he's been at it, only that it was long enough to get him the nickname "ratsbane". Tidus is pretty athletic. Also displays unusual abilities like how fast the guy can swim, tackling opponent blitzer out of the ring, and the way the guy can basically fly out the water and jump. Vaan's hunts are canon. Through dialog in Revenant wings and tactics advance 2 it seems Vaan doing hunts were actually true in FFXII at least and TA2(the later however doesn't count here)
In experience, Vaan is in the lead here due to training before the story and hunts. Tidus is far more athelitic. Vaan is capable of fighting 3 seeqs (with Balthier) unarmed which is pretty impressive for a normal human. Not to mention how he also sent Vayne flying over a railing and down a flight of stairs. Tidus has natural skill and for the idiot he seems to be, we have to admit he is a quick learner. I think Vaan might have the slight edge though
I'll give my thoughts on who wins when i finally beat FF12.
Right now though, Vaan is still sexier.
And Tidus is more than likely the descendant of the Dream Shuyin. The Fayth recreated Zanarkand but the Dream Zanarkand basically became it sown world. People lived an died there. So when they originally made DZ, They probably made a replica of Shuyin but he died long ago and Tidus is his great great great great [....] great great great grandson.
That's my theory anyway.
Originally posted by heartlesshero17
New guy here!And to bring more light to the Vaan vs Tidus talk. I think this would totally go in Vaan's favor if we count all the skill he's gain in RW and TA2. Though since we're only counting FFXII than I think its pretty even. It could go literally either way
First things to consider. Vaan has more experience with a sword. It is known in game he practices fighting those giant rats. He states its good practice for whats in the desert. Its not known how long he's been at it, only that it was long enough to get him the nickname "ratsbane". Tidus is pretty athletic. Also displays unusual abilities like how fast the guy can swim, tackling opponent blitzer out of the ring, and the way the guy can basically fly out the water and jump. Vaan's hunts are canon. Through dialog in Revenant wings and tactics advance 2 it seems Vaan doing hunts were actually true in FFXII at least and TA2(the later however doesn't count here)
In experience, Vaan is in the lead here due to training before the story and hunts. Tidus is far more athelitic. Vaan is capable of fighting 3 seeqs (with Balthier) unarmed which is pretty impressive for a normal human. Not to mention how he also sent Vayne flying over a railing and down a flight of stairs. Tidus has natural skill and for the idiot he seems to be, we have to admit he is a quick learner. I think Vaan might have the slight edge though
If it turns out that Tidus is Shuyin's dream then I would give it to Tidus. One of the points made was that Tidus had no prior skill with a sword, but that would seem to be untrue if he has Shuyin's abilities.
Besides, we don't know how skilled Vaan is with a sword. Enough to kill rats, maybe but that simply isn't saying much. Apart from that, Vaan's skills are one big fat mystery, since they can be whatever you want them to be.
Again we know Vaan kills more than just rats. Its said early in game that the rats are just practice for whats in the desert. Its one of his opening lines in the game in fact. And If I remember correctly if you talk to people in lowtown its also mentioned there(the later I can't confirm atm). Yes we don't know how much experience he has had or how long he has been at it, but either way it is still more than what we can say for Tidus who has zero sword experience(but is again, a quick learner)
And what does Tidus having Shuyin's abilities prove? Just asking, cause I don't remember him doing anything special. Shuyin was a ex blitzball player who got recruited into the war tried to use Vegnagun and died. What did he do that was outstanding that gives Tidus a slight edge in this? And even than, being based off him all that would prove is that Shuyin himself wasn't all that skilled with a sword if Tidus is supposed to be him wouldn't it? What does shuyin connection to Tidus contribute to this? explain please.