Superman Vs Wonderwoman

Originally posted by -Pr-
I really don't think you can make much of a case for [Supergirl] being more powerful [than Superman], [to be honest].

Everything in due time. I do find it interesting that people have told me that Superman is more powerful due to editorial mandate. Now that editor Matt Idleson says Supergirl is stronger, though, people want to disagree; effectively saying editorial mandate is not sufficient if it goes AGAINST Superman.

Again, very interesting that.

In the meanwhile, however, Bien Salsa, for whatever reason, gave me a list of Action Comic and 1940s Superman showings in one of his recent posts.

They happen to reflect many of the feats I'd been reading/re-reading about for Wonder Woman this past week.

I'm minded to play the matching game with him this morning ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Everything in due time. I do find it interesting that people have told me that Superman is more powerful due to editorial mandate. Now that editor Matt Idleson says Supergirl is stronger, though, people want to disagree; effectively saying editorial mandate is not sufficient if it goes AGAINST Superman.

Again, very interesting that.

In the meanwhile, however, Bien Salsa, for whatever reason, gave me a list of Action Comic and 1940s Superman showings in one of his recent posts.

They happen to reflect many of the feats I'd been reading/re-reading about for Wonder Woman this past week.

I'm minded to play the matching game with him this morning ...

Editorial mandate or not, what counts is the comics, imo.

Salsa?

Let's spar a bit.

Think you got me on a few of these, bet I can match or top you on some of the rest.

First up, your Superman38 showing ...

No doubt if I WERE trying to argue durability, you'd have me on this one.
I'm not; I've conceded that Superman has enjoyed a greater degree of invulnerability than Wonder Woman from the start.

On the other hand, despite what I've posted of Wonder Woman getting knocked out from gassings or clockings, it's worth noting that she DOES demonstrate a degree of toughness that would be hard to explain without some degree of divine blessing at work in her.

It's worth noting her speed is described as "faster than light" here ...

... and it's also worth noting that even this early in the series, Wonder Woman, quite lacking in anything resembling comic book flight as we know it today, nevertheless manages to find herself on other planets.

If I'm feeling particularly ambitious, I might try to construct a comparative timeline. This is only issue 12 for Wonder Woman for instance. It was issue 38 for Superman performing the same feat.

On the other hand, Superman preceded Wonder Woman in his world debut by a few years. If he did this first, her smothering a bomb goes with the idea of Marston matching what the boys at Action were doing.
If SHE did this first, the upgrade of the bomb to pocket atom bomb might well be an instance of what you alluded to earlier, of writers competing with one another for the biggest and best feats, with Superman's staff trying to top the people at National.

In any case, it's interesting to see how closely the action of one reflects that of the other.

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Source: Wonder Woman #12, Volume 1
Writer: Joyce Murchison
Penciller: Harry G. Peter
Date: Spring, 1945
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_12

Now your "ancient City of Troy" showing, which your Photobucket account actually says is from Action Comics 133 and not 113 ...

Think I can top you on this one.

Wonder Woman finds her own city of Themyscira/Paradise Island imperilled in Wonder Woman 72.

Burning seas engulfing Diana's homeland.

A drastic situation ...

... requiring an equally drastic solution.

Think this may well top yours.

Superman needs both hands to transport Troy.
And he has the boon of Captain Marvel-class flight at this point.

How did he get flight? I doubt even his writers had an answer for that.
I'll be interested if you can show me an explanation for it in your searches.

By contrast, poor Diana has no flight. And has not only to contend with the effort of swimming in addition to lifting that island clear of the water, but has to conted with the water being boiling hot on top of that.

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Source: Wonder Woman #72, Volume 1
Writer: Robert Kanigher
Penciller: Harry G. Peter
Date: February 1955
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_72

Alright, last I'll probably do for today (or this morning, at any rate), is that one you had trouble deciphering. Superman getting molten glass from rock or ore or something of the like for those big ants ...

The Challenge of Easel Gallery (Image 1 of 6)

Diana's supersqueezing prowess.
Steel girder super-pressed into molten metal.

The Easel Gallery Challenges (Image 2 of 6).

The Easel Gallery Challenges. Image 3 of 6.

(girder parrying)

The Easel Gallery Challenges. Lake chase. Image 4 of 6.

The Easel Gallery Challenges. (Image 5 of 6). Diving gang battle.

The Easel Gallery Challenges. Image 6 of 6.

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Source: Wonder Woman #67, Volume 1
Writer: Robert Kanigher
Penciller: Harry G. Peter
Date: July 1954
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_67

Thinks of note here:

Wonder Woman squeezes refined STEEL into liquid, not merely rock or comparatively weaker iron ore.

The language used to describe a fight with human divers is much the same as that used for the girder challenge though, of course, the strength requirement for the needle test was orders of magnitude greater. Which is actually consistent with someone more or less willing themselves equal to whatever task is before them. More strength for greater tasks, less strength for lesser ones.

The scene with divers takes note of the resistance of the water.
(And, yes, I absolutely made sure to include that scene to support your idea of a being theoretically experiencing great resistance from whatever dense media should be found in the sun a page or so ago.)

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about this

So I guess We divide this into eras? Golden, Silver/Bronze (Pc), Post Crisis and DCnu?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Salsa, I want to produce, but I'm feeling extraordinarily lazy.
At least right now. It's been a long day.

Brief note on that context and justification post of yours.
Biggest reason to ration imagery is to stay within defendable "Fair Use" guidelines. Delight though it is, not a good idea to break that habit.
Not the case that we two are merely friends showing each other favorite scenes from older comics that the other knew nothing of.
No matter our intentions, the nature of Internet posting transforms this into something that needs to be guarded carefully. For the most extreme but clearest example of what can happen when this habit is violated overmuch, look up "Gregory Steven Hart".

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Curious as to what happens if you include an image uploaded through KMC's own IHP as a link.

Only one way to find out ...

Incidentally "TipTub" here is a scene from Wonder Woman #6, Volume 1...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13833374

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
So ... that seems to have worked.

Now I'm curious if posting KMC images as links can be done the way you've done them with photobucket. That would be pretty cool.

I might test that out tonight.

But I've got a lot I want to put up here.
That "origin of power" motif was my current concern for instance ...

Thanks for the heads up.

Photobucket images can be posted in 6 different ways.

Links are the most accepted ones as they don't tale the amount of space thumbs will

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
As mentioned before, mere physical exercise was one of Moulton's sources of Amazon strength. Wonder Woman #6 concerns itself with this topic rather extensively ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It should easily be seen that Moulton DID, to whatever extent, genuinely hold the idea that his publication should inpire young women to better themselves ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
... even so, it is probably equally apparent that Moulton and his creative staff had a way of portraying things in a way that, possibly, possibly, limited the full acceptance of this character ...

I will second that. Women should better up themselves , so should men. But Women are beutiful specially if they work out 😛