Superman Vs Wonderwoman

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You started off with Marvel Comics, too, hey?

I know what you mean ... even though Wonder Woman preceded that guy.
I got a VERY similar feeling seeing the following, Wonder Woman #5, Volume 1 ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
... which resonates un-mistake-ably for anyone who read the first Spider-man and Doctor Octopus engagement ...

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Source: Wonder Woman #5, Volume 1
Writer: William Moulton Marston
Penciller: Harry G. Peter
Date: July 1943
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_5

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Now compare the Spidey slingshot in ASM3 ...

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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #3, Volume 1
Writer: Stan Lee
Penciller: Steve Ditko
Date: July 1963
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_1_3

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It's ... possible ... that the Lee/Ditko team borrowed from Marston's earlier work.

I tough about the same thing when I saw that.

Marvel tends to do that a lot.

I like them, even though they are not the house of the original ideas.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Not so much in the mood for H.Peter artwork tonight, and, I eventually DO want to have this particular discussion, so, as long as I'm touching on "things X reminds me of" I'll post the following image, which was intended to be the original cover to Supergirl #5.

Noteworthy to me, something I cannot forget, in fact, is that Loeb's arc was SUPPOSED to end with Supergirl #6, NOT Supergirl #5.
The abrupt change in tone, along with the miscues and other writers' comments in surrounding books, lead me to believe that Loeb did not intend his "Power" arc to end that way.

What strikes me most NOW about this picture, however, is that it nearly exactly mirrors what we see in the present DCnU Superman #6.

"House of Ideas", indeed ...

You don't want to get into Supergirl vs Superman there is a lot of context all the time and Superman end's up in the looking better end most if not all the time.

Those scans of SG looking better are taken out of context. Believe me, I know.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Everything in due time. I do find it interesting that people have told me that Superman is more powerful due to editorial mandate. Now that editor Matt Idleson says Supergirl is stronger, though, people want to disagree; effectively saying editorial mandate is not sufficient if it goes AGAINST Superman.

Again, very interesting that.

In the meanwhile, however, Bien Salsa, for whatever reason, gave me a list of Action Comic and 1940s Superman showings in one of his recent posts.

They happen to reflect many of the feats I'd been reading/re-reading about for Wonder Woman this past week.

I'm minded to play the matching game with him this morning ...

I also read that Supergirl will have different powers from Superman as kryptonian females will be different from kryptonian males.

From that as to be more powerful is very different.

She is more powerful than early AC # 1 DCnU Clark with out a doubt, but she is not more powerful than Clark at the Superman comics.

I'll start with the scans later on. I'm kind of tired and I have to look for them as I don't have all the golden era scans ready.

Originally posted by biensalsa
... divide this into eras? Golden, Silver/Bronze (Pc), Post Crisis and DCnu?

That's not QUITE the program I've actually been following, but, if you want to think of it that way, that is, for now, close enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Q8UvJ1wvk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1iJXOUMJpg&feature=related

Originally posted by biensalsa
So I guess We divide this into eras? Golden, Silver/Bronze (Pc), Post Crisis and DCnu?

P.R. has even suggested authors ... and he may have a point there.

For now I will only say that, with the resources of websites like "Amazon Archives", "DC Wikia", and whatever happens to be at YOUR disposal, we probably have the ability to give this topic better treatment than most any other 2 people on KMC.

Originally posted by biensalsa

Photobucket images can be posted in 6 different ways.

Links are the most accepted ones as they don't ta[k]e the amount of space thumb[nail image]s will

Can't imagine beyond about 2 or 3 ways TO post an image at present, but, when the time presents, be assured I will give Photobucket another look.

In the meantime, I need to explore what KMC itself can and cannot do.
I'll post that image Q99 put up earlier in my other thread.

Simultaneously, I'll test the effect of NOT checking "Automatically parse URLs" and see what happens ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13793072

Originally posted by biensalsa

Photobucket images can be posted in 6 different ways.

Links are the most accepted ones as they don't ta[k]e the amount of space thumb[nail image]s will

... next, still using that image Q99 put up in my pre-Crisis Wonder Woman respect thread, I'll CHECK "Automatically parse URLs" as I normally do, leaving this then as a working link ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13793072

... AND now see if I can post an attachment via KMC's own Image Host Provider (IHP) program the way I normally do, this attachment featuring a match for Superman's "No Dentures!" tug ...

Originally posted by biensalsa

Photobucket images can be posted in 6 different ways.

Links are the most accepted ...

... and now I'll try the reverse, the tug of Merola's craft as the link ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13840699

... and Q99's unfortunately now BROKEN Photobucket image of Wonder Woman towing the sun from her plane as the attachment ...

Hmm.

Not bad.

I know now that I have the ability to feature previous KMC image attachments as links USING KMC's very own image hosting program.
That should make summarizing and collating some of these things easier for the future ...

It's possible the Lee/Ditko team borrowed from Marston's earlier work.

Originally posted by biensalsa
I [thought] about the same thing when I saw that.

Marvel tends to do that a lot.

I like them, even though they are not the house of the original ideas.

Things look a bit different when you EXAMINE THEM FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, don't they? That's one of the things I've been trying to illustrate in this thread. It's not an attempt to hoodwink, it's trying to jar you and others into actually THINKING about what you're looking at, or noticing what you're looking at to begin with.

On the other hand, in specific regard now to DC's "distinguished competition", and not really knowing what you have in mind, I'm interested in learning what you think are some other examples of Marvel borrowing ideas.
Never till now noticed borrowing as blatant as Wonder Woman 5/ Spider-Man 3 comparison I made a page ago, for instance.

Curious now about other examples you know of.

Originally posted by biensalsa

I ... read that Supergirl will have DIFFERENT powers from Superman ...

[That's not necessarily the same as] more powerful ...

[DCnU Supergirl] IS more powerful than early AC # 1 DCnU Clark ...
but she is NOT more powerful than Clark [in] the SUPERMAN comics.

I'm interested in your rationale here.
Evidence-wise, I don't see how you can make that judgement.
Going by Idlesen's statement, your position seems even less secure.

I should make clear that I'm only relating what has been told to us in interviews to this point, though.
Certainly I can think of several reasons why Kara WOULD be stronger than Clark in DCnU's reality, but I'm not actually saying that what passes for "actual" EVIDENCE in the comicworld "proves" that case so far.

I AM interested in hearing why you seem so certain about YOUR verdict, however.

Noteworthy to me, something I cannot forget, in fact, is that Loeb's arc was SUPPOSED to end with Supergirl #6, NOT Supergirl #5.
The abrupt change in tone, along with the miscues and other writers' comments in surrounding books, lead me to believe that Loeb did not intend his "Power" arc to end that way.

Originally posted by biensalsa
You don't want to get into Supergirl vs Superman ...
there is a lot of context ... Superman end's up
[looking better] ... most if not all the time.

On the contrary -- if we're talking 2004 to 2008, I'm VERY interested in getting into Supergirl versus Superman. (2008, when Sterling Gates takes over, however, features a MAJOR retcon, where-in Supergirl is de-aged by 2 years, apparently has experienced some mutations due to extreme radiation poisoning, and suffers "true" hallucinations which throws into doubt everything done by the previous 5 creative teams.
Logic can't easily withstand THAT kind of re-structuring of history.)

For that matter, still more on topic, I would actually LIKE you to "cherry pick" as you earlier warned you might do for Wonder Woman.

I want to see what it is that's giving you such a low opinion of her, or at least people like P.R. I'm fairly convinced that most of the arguments against her deal with issues quite different than what I'm talking about.
I'm nearly equally convinced most of those arguments are actually fallacies, waiting to be exposed.

But I'm not yet 100% sure they're all really bad or biased arguments.

I know that there are gaps in my reading record, same as is true for nearly every other fan.

Hard for that not to be the case when so many artists have written so many takes on these two over a span of so many years (7 decades at last count?)

Which is why I'm essentially showing you my reading background in REGARDS to Wonder Woman versus Superman, to see if there's something genuinely relevant that I may have missed.

Won't know till you show me, though ...

Originally posted by biensalsa
I'll start with the scans later on. I'm kind of tired and I have to look for them as I don't have all the golden era scans ready.

Quite all right.

Doubtless, given the gaps in my collection, I'll run out before you do.
I'm mentally planning some trips to the local library to search archives when that does happen; I'll have to figure a way to get relevant scans from their materials in a format that can be uploaded here once it does.

In the meantime, I'll continue with a few of the remaining matches I've yet to make for your previous submissions from what I DO have available ...

Image 2 of 4.

The Music of Carola.

Scan 3 of 4.

The Music of Carola.

The Music of Carola. Image 4 of 4.

Part of this selection is to match your earlier submission of Superman tugging one of those Great Lakes boats with a line of rope by his teeth.

As you can see, Wonder Woman was wont to do similar feats, probably more of them, actually, since rope was, and nearly always is, readily at hand for her ...

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Source: Wonder Woman #32, Volume 1
Writer: Robert Kanigher
Penciller: Harry G. Peter
Date: November 1948
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_32

While I've got it on my mind, that house or mansion tow that you featured before ...

Action 40 probably ekes out a win. Don't know how big your house is in comparison to others, but the term "mansion" DOES imply greater than normal house size.

Here's one of the Wonder Woman mirrors to that, all the same...

Housetow. Image 2 of 3.