Delta1938
True King of House of El
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
While you guys are figuring that out, I've got some more stuff that needs posting for later discussion, so don't mind me ...Kara versus Blackrock. Note that the events in this story take place after Supergirl #5. Lucia Blackrock's statement of Kara's superiority.
Salsa already covered this. But it's worth showing one of several examples that Superman's mind effects his powers.
Start where Flash goes, "How is that POSSIBLE?!! That's SUPERMAN!!"
So, at best for you, this puts your argument into serious question. But in reality, it invalidates your argument as he's actually effecting his energy that Blackrock would be detecting.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
from page 36 ...Diana.
Her objective in that cold-rolling scene wasn't just to beat OMAC, but to do so in such a way as to free her opponent without harm.
But under more stressed conditions, again under Rucka, where there wasn't the option to do things quite so gently, Wonder Woman demonstrated she has more than enough pure strength to put an OMAC down without resorting to liquid nitrogen.
Thanks for that example. It actually proves my point. You're comparing Diana appearing to sneak-up behind an unaware Omac, grab it and slam it's face into the ground to KO it. That's clearly taking more effort than what Superman did.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Omacs/AOS%20643/
So, Diana snuck-up on the Omac, grabbed it and bashed it's face to the ground, and apparently just KOed it. Superman, on the other hand, grabbed it by the neck and merely punched it, something that takes less effort than what Wonder Woman did, and he's clearly not going all-out, yet nearly killed the Omac. It doesn't matter if Wonder Woman knew there were people inside them and wasn't trying to harm it(since gender wasn't specified), she clearly took more effort for her KO than Superman's near manslaughter. Oh, and this example was under Ruka too.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
from page 38.Overlooked last week:
2) You're ignoring the fact that most knockout punches, whether in comics, real-life, the boxing ring, or pretty much anyplace any average person has experience with, are not lip-splitting ones.
Besides that particular point, I'd also like the explanation as to why Wonder Woman's was supposedly a "better technique".
What, did she "curtsy" before punching Kara?
Diana's certainly proven herself capable of breaking Supergirl's invulnerability elsewhere, and rather casually, and that when Supergirl had NOT been split up into 2 schizophrenic halves and treated to liberal portions of kryptonite and others' fists ...
Image 1 of 4.
I'm talking about the fact that she's doing an overhand right--
--compared to Superman's punch, which isn't using his power hand--
Unless one or both are southpaws and I'm unaware of it?
But your example once again doesn't work in comparison. Once again, you're bringing-up somebody getting their nose bloodied. That's a lot weaker an area than blood coming from the mouth. So, you're actually using a strawman. Not to mention the fact that you attempted to discredit this as "inconsistencies" when actually it was absolutely consistent. You made a big deal earlier "proving" that Supergirl and Dark Kara had indeed switched places by pointing-out the difference in hair. Well, what does it tell you that everybody BUT Wonder Woman who struck one of the Karas was able to draw blood, and this was consistent? It tells me that the scene is showing everybody but Wonder Woman hits harder.
And Luthor is the only argument you can make, as he had Kryptonite right then and there. But I'm thinking that both Karas had recovered by the time they were on Earth and all that. And I didn't see any proof of them being split indicating they were weakened. If that's true, then they WOULD have been knocked-out already by Superman. So, Kryptonite and splitting them into two is not a legitimate justification to say it doesn't count.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Three parts to your question, P.R.,
I'll give at least 3 answers.Answer One.
"Superman is the most powerful member of the Justice League"?
I don't know when this was said, but, I do recall the Martian Manhunter, J'onn J'onnz, dying around this time. If he was, being the one other character writers gave most claim to that title, I have no significant problem with the statement. After him, Superman probably IS the most powerful single Justice League member.
If you want to amend that to "Superman is more powerful than Wonder Woman", still I have no significant problem with that statement, and, in fact, covered reasons why I thought that true at the beginning of my discussion with Salsa.
But power and pure physical strength are 2 different things.
Superman is more powerful than Martian Manhunter. But yes, as Pr pointed-out, J'Onn was still alive. This was actually in the same issue that Superman owned the JLA, J'Onn included(don't bother arguing how Superman won), ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #642. In fact, before that, many of the JLA members seem rather nervous being around Superman after he'd gone rogue.
So, we've got Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter(who you also wrongly think is stronger than Superman), Flash and a Green Lantern, plus Hawkman and Black Canary all there. And still, some are rather nervous and tense about if they'll have to fight Superman. Here, Diana says that Superman is, "--the strongest among us in almost every way."
Don't even bother to try and nitpick that this doesn't prove anything, because she says "almost every way." Rucka showed him blatantly overpowering her twice in this storyline, so her statement merely reinforces this issue. Oh, and while it's less concrete, it's worth noting that when they come to the conclusion it is telepathic influence, although not direct mind control, Flash tries to say that maybe it's just a one-time thing. Hawkman says, "He's SUPERMAN. If you could CONTROL his POWER, would you RELINQUISH it after ONLY one USE?"
Also, Batman backs Wonder Woman's statement in the next issue. SUPERMAN: "BOTH Conner AND myself were under EXTERNAL control. We're NOT responsible for--" BATMAN: "You're the MOST powerful man on EARTH! You don't GET the luxury of that EXCUSE!"
