Superman Vs Wonderwoman

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
... and notice now more fully the explanation given by Senior Blue.

If Delta's wrong about this being KC Superman, his information is inaccurate -- as shown here and elsewhere in the thread.

That's not a slam, just a fact, and it's precisely BECAUSE people make mistakes and misinterpret things that it's worthwhile to discuss things and sort them out.

On the other hand, if Delta IS accurate, if this really IS KC Superman,

then either KC Superman himself is wrong in what he is saying
(in which case it is proof that characters in a comicbook can be mistaken in their assertion, even SUPERMAN characters)

or KC Superman is RIGHT in what he is saying, which is that he is really "our" Superman, just older, and transplanted back in time from the future.

Note the dialogue. I put yellow rounded rectangles around it to show, but, to be sure:

"You're wondering about the Boom Tube. You'll be AMAZED by the alliances you have yet to make.

The TIME TRAVEL part was trickier. THAT you'll have [to] find out on your own.

The BIG question, I'll make easy.

I'm you.

Years from now."

Did you even read any of the SUPERMAN/BATMAN stories? I mean read the stories, not just look for scans in them that you think proves your arguments.

That was a lead-up to storylines that messed with traveling through not only time but dimensions.

Originally posted by biensalsa
For what I read, I got the idea this is not the same Superman as Kingdom come Superman.

This Superman is actually "For the man who has everything" Superman. That is supposed to be "Our" Superman.

This Superman is not married to Wonder Woman, he might seem similar, because of the uniform, but this is not Kingdom come Superman.

This is actually "our superman's future version of himself" not an earth 22 Superman

Wasn't that PC?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Did you even read any of the SUPERMAN/BATMAN stories? I mean read the stories, not just look for scans in them that you think proves your arguments.

That was a lead-up to storylines that messed with traveling through not only time but dimensions.

Wasn't that PC?

That is still canon for post crisis Superman

Originally posted by biensalsa
That is still canon for post crisis Superman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_man_who_has_everything

Why exactly? It's a full-year before COIE. And why would you think that it's that Superman as opposed to KC?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Did you even read any of the SUPERMAN/BATMAN stories? I mean read the stories, not just look for scans in them that you think proves your arguments.

Yep. Starting with Superman/Batman #8.
Supergirl's 2004 re-introduction to the DCU.

Before that, about the only DC reading collecting I'd done, with a few exceptions, were/was Peter A. David (PAD) 's Many Happy Returns storyline, the earliest part of John Byrne's Wonder Woman run, and whatever random comics happened to be featured at my now unfortunately gone, local comics shop's "3 for $1" sales.

Followed Kara-centric S/B storylines from that point, with the occasional other.

Originally posted by Delta1938
That was a lead-up to storylines that messed with traveling through not only time but dimensions.

So then this is NOT Kingdom Come Superman, as you told me a page or two ago?

Originally posted by Delta1938
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_man_who_has_everything

Why exactly? It's a full-year before COIE. And why would you think that it's that Superman as opposed to KC?

This is the story of the Black mercy flower which I remember has been mentioned at least twice in post crisis.

This is the same Superman who appears in absolute power and is the Superman married to Lois Lane, not Wonder Woman.

Salsa, when you get the chance, if only for completeness' sake,
it'd be nice to have reference information for the 1949 Superman feat shown here.

Notice again, by the way, if GoldenBlue's showing IS from earlier in the year than Wondy's, it strongly suggests the post-Marston creative team was still actively competing with the Action guys.

Originally posted by Delta1938
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_man_who_has_everything

Why exactly? It's a full-year before COIE. And why would you think that it's that Superman as opposed to KC?

It could also meant that they took elements from the original story and incorporate them into the post crisis continuity. Give or take, you know how accurate are this future stories

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Salsa, when you get the chance, if only for completeness' sake,
it'd be nice to have reference information for the 1949 Superman feat shown here.

Notice again, by the way, if GoldenBlue's showing IS from earlier in the year than Wondy's, it strongly suggests the post-Marston creative team was still actively competing with the Action guys.

Will do

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Yep. Starting with Superman/Batman #8.
Supergirl's 2004 re-introduction to the DCU.

Before that, about the only DC reading collecting I'd done, with a few exceptions, were/was Peter A. David (PAD) 's Many Happy Returns storyline, the earliest part of John Byrne's Wonder Woman run, and whatever random comics happened to be featured at my now unfortunately gone, local comics shop's "3 for $1" sales.

Followed Kara-centric S/B storylines from that point, with the occasional other.

So then this is NOT Kingdom Come Superman, as you told me a page or two ago?

I didn't say it wasn't. It looks like KC Superman to me. If you read the storyline, you should at least be vaguely aware of multiple different dimensional Supermans AND Batmans. And other characters, even.

We see RED SON Superman.

And Terry McGuiness.

We see SuperWOMAN and BatWOMAN.

And SuperLAD.

As well as MISS Miracle and Big Bard, note the masculine name.

We also see a whole bunch of Batmen and Supermen gathered here.

And if you take a good look at the right side of the Supermen, it looks an awful lot like this dude.

http://www.takemedancingnakedintherain.co.uk/communities/8/004/009/493/118/images/4554658845.jpg

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Salsa, when you get the chance, if only for completeness' sake,
it'd be nice to have reference information for the 1949 Superman feat shown here.

Notice again, by the way, if GoldenBlue's showing IS from earlier in the year than Wondy's, it strongly suggests the post-Marston creative team was still actively competing with the Action guys.

um Dude, the issue reference is in the link and file name.

And if Wonder Woman's writers were actively competing, they clearly got the Silver Medal there.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I didn't say it wasn't. It looks like KC Superman to me. If you read the storyline, you should at least be vaguely aware of multiple different dimensional Supermans AND Batmans. And other characters, even.

We see RED SON Superman.

And Terry McGuiness.

We see SuperWOMAN and BatWOMAN.

And SuperLAD.

As well as MISS Miracle and Big Bard, note the masculine name.

We also see a whole bunch of Batmen and Supermen gathered here.

And if you take a good look at the right side of the Supermen, it looks an awful lot like this dude.

http://www.takemedancingnakedintherain.co.uk/communities/8/004/009/493/118/images/4554658845.jpg

That was funny Delta, that guy does look like him

Originally posted by biensalsa
This is the story of the Black mercy flower which I remember has been mentioned at least twice in post crisis.

This is the same Superman who appears in absolute power and is the Superman married to Lois Lane, not Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by biensalsa
It could also meant that they took elements from the original story and incorporate them into the post crisis continuity. Give or take, you know how accurate are this future stories

Will do

These don't answer the question why you think it's Superman from THE MAN WHO HAS EVERYTHING. I didn't read it, although I did see the JL episode that adapted it. I don't recall anything about him being married to Lois in the episode, nor does the Wikipedia entry say he's married to Lois in it.

Originally posted by biensalsa
That was funny Delta, that guy does look like him

The Fourth Wall. It has been broken.

Absolute power ending is the same guy on the end for the man who has everything.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Absolute power ending is the same guy on the end for the man who has everything.

IS it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_the_Man_of_Tomorrow%3F

Originally posted by Delta1938
IS it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_the_Man_of_Tomorrow%3F

Yes that one, I got confused with the issues

Originally posted by biensalsa
Yes that one, I got confused with the issues

It's referencing a definitely Pre-CRISIS story. Yet, he was dressed as KC Superman. So, this saying KC Superman is Pre-CRISIS Superman in the future?

While you guys are figuring that out, I've got some more stuff that needs posting for later discussion, so don't mind me ...

Kara versus Blackrock. Note that the events in this story take place after Supergirl #5. Lucia Blackrock's statement of Kara's superiority.

Kara versus Lucia Blackrock. Image 2.

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Source: Superman #223, Volume 2
Writer: Mark Verheiden
Pencillers: Ed Benes & Ivan Reis
Date: January 2006
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Superman_Vol_2_223

from page 36 ...

Originally posted by Delta1938

OMAC ...

based on your own description of the Wonder Woman scene
("It is worth noting, however, that JUST muscling around her opponent wouldn't accomplish her objective."😉, it implies Diana wasn't able to physically incapacitate it via pure strength. Who was able to do that?

Diana.

Her objective in that cold-rolling scene wasn't just to beat OMAC, but to do so in such a way as to free her opponent without harm.

But under more stressed conditions, again under Rucka, where there wasn't the option to do things quite so gently, Wonder Woman demonstrated she has more than enough pure strength to put an OMAC down without resorting to liquid nitrogen.

from page 36 (continued)

Originally posted by Delta1938

OMAC ...

based on your own description of the Wonder Woman scene
("It is worth noting, however, that JUST muscling around her opponent wouldn't accomplish her objective."😉, it implies Diana wasn't able to physically incapacitate it via pure strength. Who was able to do that?

Diana.

Her objective in that cold-rolling scene wasn't just to beat OMAC, but to do so in such a way as to free her opponent without harm.

But under more stressed conditions, again under Rucka, where there wasn't the option to do things quite so gently, Wonder Woman demonstrated she has more than enough pure strength to put an OMAC down without resorting to liquid nitrogen.

Image 2 of 2.

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Source: Wonder Woman #223, Volume 2
Writer: Greg Rucka
Pencillers: Cliff Richards & Rags Morales
Date: January 2006
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_2_223