Sentry vs Flash (Wally)

he was physically hurt before he figured out his powers...pain means nothing to him anymore...and he made that little werewolf in his hand to show his control of molecules

but i agree his powerset is still very unclear at this point

Originally posted by Starscream M
not really a mystery

his powerlevels are damn high...bit1n terrax, taking down WWHulk after the entire marvel earth failed, taking on thor, etc

Thing and Surfer have one-shotted Terrax, and he didn't take down WWHulk, and he easily got swatted away by Thor even after Sentry attacked him from behind.

Originally posted by -K-M-
*facepalm* Firstly we have never seen Sentry use his matter manipulation powers other then directly on Molecule Man, who is a far cry from his Secret Wars days.

Also just because you can't be killed doesn't mean you can't be knocked out as Sentry has been several times. It's far to early to say how stronger Sentry with his molecular manipulating powers as we have only seen it once, but we havn't seen him really use in battle to alter the suroundings or do much else.

Could Sentry win? Potentially, but Sentry's powerlevels are still to this day a mystery.

All this talk of MM being far weaker than his past self I believe is mute.
MM was very hesitant to kill the heroes and chose to just enslave and torture them. Sentry evolved through that torture and once MM loosened his grip Sentry without a doubt beat him at his own game. If MM wanted to he could have easily displayed his past feats but had become an agoraphobic hermit.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Thing and Surfer have one-shotted Terrax, and he didn't take down WWHulk, and he easily got swatted away by Thor even after Sentry attacked him from behind.

easily swatted away...it did nothing to him at all...so that is a pretty poor example

and thing and surfer didnt make terrax look like a child the way sentry did

Originally posted by the ninjak
All this talk of MM being far weaker than his past self I believe is mute.
MM was very hesitant to kill the heroes and chose to just enslave and torture them. Sentry evolved through that torture and once MM loosened his grip Sentry without a doubt beat him at his own game. If MM wanted to he could have easily displayed his past feats but had become an agoraphobic hermit.

Nuff said...

Originally posted by the Superbot400
Molecule Man has about 1/5 apperances that suggest that he is weaker now than he was in the annual because...

- He was beaten by a ****ing Watcher. He was stated to be unable to manipulate energy from the watcher. Mutiversal being my ass, Uatu defeated Aron.Top it up he was controlled by Pupper Master.

- After Sercet Wars II, he was beaten by Klaw despite help from Volcano. This is after he realize he could restart creation at the end. So it's pretty clear unless Molecule Man has his subconscious of himself...he isn't mutiversal being.

- In his apperance in the incredible Hulk,nothing suggests that his personality disorder other anything like a mutiversal threat.

-In Bendis Molecule Man. he is portrayed back to his more evil self...it's pretty unclear that is his regular persona or it's Molecule Man. Given Bendis's history of continuity, I doubt he would know this. We all know if it was the one that Beyonder fought, the nuke scene wouldn't have been a qusetion to the slightest form.

Nothing suggest he is as powerful as he was with his fight with Beyonder. Nothing.

Originally posted by bbrem123
easily swatted away...it did nothing to him at all...so that is a pretty poor example

and thing and surfer didnt make terrax look like a child the way sentry did

Did I say it ko'ed him? No, but Sentry attacked Thor from behind and Thor easily casted him aside.

Actually they did.

i didnt say he koed him either....swatting away means nothing is all that im saying

and please show me they did it as easy...cuz they did not from what i kno

Originally posted by bbrem123
i didnt say he koed him either....swatting away means nothing is all that im saying

and please show me they did it as easy...cuz they did not from what i kno

Thor took cheapshots from Sentry and a speedblitz, and Thor easily swatted him away and he wasn't seen again going after Thor.

I don't have the scans avaliable, but their all in their respect threads.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Thing and Surfer have one-shotted Terrax, and he didn't take down WWHulk, and he easily got swatted away by Thor even after Sentry attacked him from behind.

oh, maybe hulk just decided it was nappy time.

Also, he ripped ares, a god, apart like me ripping some pulled pork. that's damn impressive.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Thor took cheapshots from Sentry and a speedblitz, and Thor easily swatted him away and he wasn't seen again going after Thor.

he kinda just didn't expect it from thor...he underestimated thor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he didn't take down WWHulk? Who did then?

oh, maybe hulk just decided it was nappy time.

Also, he ripped ares, a god, apart like me ripping some pulled pork. that's damn impressive.

Iron Man with his satellite in space shot a lazer and hit Hulk.

Ares isn't that impressive actually.

Originally posted by Starscream M
him getting swatted away by thor doesn't indicate anything, really.

he kinda just didn't expect it from thor...he underestimated thor.

AFter Sentry attacked him from behind and speedblitzed, yet Thor was more annoyed then affected.

Originally posted by -K-M-

Ares isn't that impressive actually.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Thor took cheapshots from Sentry and a speedblitz, and Thor easily swatted him away and he wasn't seen again going after Thor.

I don't have the scans avaliable, but their all in their respect threads.

he was obviously fine cuz he massacred ares right after it...he wasnt there because thor got punched out by osborne right after that

and they had to exert themselves to take him out while sentry seemed bored with terrax's threat...from what i have seen

Originally posted by Starscream M
never said he was. but he still has godly constitution and isn't some average joe shmoe. What sentry did to him WAS impressive.

Often times his durability is awful, as in in Ares mini written by Oeming he was seriously injuired by machine gun bullets.

Originally posted by -K-M-

AFter Sentry attacked him from behind and speedblitzed, yet Thor was more annoyed then affected.

the thor sentry encounter is neither a good or a poor showing for sentry.

Originally posted by the ninjak
SPOILER!!!!!!!

Tossed Void into the Sun?
I thought he tried to commit suicide. And Void mocked him stating that they were the same guy and the Sun couldn't do squat. And that he should just let Void in to get the job done right.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he didn't take down WWHulk? Who did then?

oh, maybe hulk just decided it was nappy time.

Also, he ripped ares, a god, apart like me ripping some pulled pork. that's damn impressive.

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!

Sentry pushed WWH to near limits...and in the end Sentry thanked him for the powerplay and Hulk finally realised that it was one of his
warbound that set that fateful bomb.
That's when Tony Stark ran past and tagged him....targeting a powerful satelite that punched Hulk into the earth changing the guilt ridden Hulk back into Banner

sentry has gone to the sun many times...and each time the dialogue shows it is faster then light

Originally posted by bbrem123
he was obviously fine cuz he massacred ares right after it...he wasnt there because thor got punched out by osborne right after that

and they had to exert themselves to take him out while sentry seemed bored with terrax's threat...from what i have seen

*facepalm* Missed the point

Errrr? What reference you talking about as I have seen SS take him out with a single blast?

Originally posted by -K-M-
*facepalm* Missed the point

Errrr? What reference you talking about as I have seen SS take him out with a single blast?

sentry did his job, disorient thor and remove him from the field. which allowed osborn and his cronies to attack thor. fact is, sentry could've prob finished off thor (his hits would be more powerful and faster than the osborn team combined).

Originally posted by Starscream M
I think his point was that Sentry wasn't out of the picture because Thor knocked him so far.

sentry did his job, disorient thor and remove him from the field. which allowed osborn and his cronies to attack thor. fact is, sentry could've prob finished off thor (his hits would be more powerful and faster than the osborn team combined).

Once again missed the point.

Could Sentry defeat Thor? Maybe? but as I said we DON'T KNOW HIS POWER LEVEL.