Originally posted by quanchi112
Exactly. Both retain their powersets and both are in effect but you can't rewrite Thor's source as the source. I cannot believe any one would suggest such a thing.
Thors power source did not create the universe, The Source did so by that it would have power over Thors, not hard to understand.. 🙄
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Horrible logic up there. The Presence is more powerful than the Source but that doesn't preclude the Source influencing things in the Presence's Creation. Source is a higher form of power than the Odin Force therefore it should have influence assuming a shared universe.
The only reason Takion was able to mess up Kyle and Flash and Captain Atom was because all of their powers originally come from The Source. Thor's power and Mjolnir does not, obviously. You can't just retcon the source of all of his godly shiite because it's a 'shared universe.' That's way messed up, IMO.
Originally posted by kevdude
Thors power source did not create the universe, The Source did so by that it would have power over Thors, not hard to understand.. 🙄
Originally posted by Enyalus
The Source is a part of the Presence, isn't it? Regardless, it's the Source of all the energy in the DCU (save for things like The Shade's power.) That's not the case in Marvel, obviously, as things work a bit different.The only reason Takion was able to mess up Kyle and Flash and Captain Atom was because all of their powers originally come from The Source. Thor's power and Mjolnir does not, obviously. You can't just retcon the source of all of his godly shiite because it's a 'shared universe.'
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think the point of the shared universe is all powers working as they should. Thus Takion manipulating godly energies is on the table. Its really not that hard to understand.
Thor's powers don't come from the Source. Takion isn't going to be able to randomly make them not work. That's not that hard to understand, either.
Furthermore, it was a passive ability. 😬 He didn't even know how to control it and from what I could tell never gained that control even at the end of his series.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Fine and dandy that all powers work as they should. I'm not suggesting you gimp Takion. But the fact is that if Takion was facing Superman, Superman's powers wouldn't have flipped out like Kyle/Wally/Nathan's did.Thor's powers don't come from the Source. Takion isn't going to be able to randomly make them not work. That's not that hard to understand, either.
Furthermore, it was a passive ability. 😬 He didn't even know how to control it and from what I could tell never gained that control even at the end of his series.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So the argument is that we assume this is a shared Universe and in turn Thor's power set for no reason, magically becomes connected and derived from the Source like Captain Atom's and Green Lantern's?😐
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman's powers are based on solar ENERGY. WTF are you talking about?
And yeah, they're derived from solar energy, but he doesn't 'wield' solar energy like a Green Lantern or Captain Atom wields energy. It lets him punch really really hard. And stuff.
Originally posted by Enyalus
When they fought against the Sun Eater, I didn't Superman's powers messing up. *shrug*And yeah, they're derived from solar energy, but he doesn't 'wield' solar energy like a Green Lantern or Captain Atom wields energy. It lets him punch really really hard. And stuff.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So the argument is that we assume this is a shared Universe and in turn Thor's power set for no reason, magically becomes connected and derived from the Source like Captain Atom's and Green Lantern's?😐
We don't have to do that no, but Takion is connected to a higher power force then Thor is. Not saying that would give Takion the win, but his odds at overpowering Takion isn't as good.
Originally posted by kevdude
We don't have to do that no, but Takion is connected to a higher power force then Thor is. Not saying that would give Takion the win, but his odds at overpowering Takion isn't as good.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Saying Thor absorbs him is just ridiculous and shows a poor understanding of the nature of the Source.
Besides this, again, Takion's durability is....shall we be kind and say, "not high herald level or above." He got smashed to bits by a meteorite, ffs.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think the point of the shared universe is all powers working as they should. Thus Takion manipulating godly energies is on the table. Its really not that hard to understand.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Does that mean you think Thor would have complete control over Captain Marvel's/Black Adam's lightning?
Originally posted by Enyalus
He's made of energy. Mjolnir absorbs energy. The Source is the expression of energy. I don't see what is so far fetched about it.Besides this, again, Takion's durability is....shall we be kind and say, "not high herald level or above." He got smashed to bits by a meteorite, ffs.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I never said that Takion will have complete control over the Odin Power, just that he'll be able to exert influence over it, even if its only slight influence.
Originally posted by darthgoober
But the thing is that Thor HAS absolute control over lightning so if what you're saying is applied equally across the board it means that Thor would retain his complete control in a shared universe and be able to pretty much lord over Captain Marvel and Black Adam at the same time by easily turning them human...
Depending on which era, the Marvel family has resitance to those attacks that resort him back to Billy. Even SHAZAM couldn't put Adam down at one point.