Takion vs Thor

Originally posted by darthgoober
But the thing is that Thor HAS absolute control over lightning so if what you're saying is applied equally across the board it means that Thor would retain his complete control in a shared universe and be able to pretty much lord over Captain Marvel and Black Adam at the same time by easily turning them human...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think Shazam's lightning is ordinary lightning, and besides Thor isn't the end-all-be-all as far as lightning is concerned. Zeus is the more powerful lightning God.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
His powers would arguably make MORE sense than those examples seeing as he is a God and the Source is the Father/Mother of all Gods in DC.

...well the same thing holds true here. The fact that the Marvel family uses a magical lightning source as the catylist for their transformation means that it makes even more sense for Thor to be able to transform them at will.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're right, it's magical lightning. And remember when you said...

...well the same thing holds true here. The fact that the Marvel family uses a magical lightning source as the catylist for their transformation means that it makes even more sense for Thor to be able to transform them at will.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Thor couldn't control Zeus's thunder and he couldn't control Marvel lightning.

SHAZAM couldn't control Adam's lightning as well. and SHAZAM was in ROE.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
SHAZAM couldn't control Adam's lightning as well. and SHAZAM was in ROE.

No, but he's linked to their power and has recently taken the powers away from the WHOLE Marvel Family on a whim. He also controls magical lightning and such. Which is why I said, depending on which era.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No, but he's linked to their power and has recently taken the powers away from the WHOLE Marvel Family on a whim. He also controls magical lightning and such. Which is why I said, depending on which era.

The Marvel's lightning isn't really true lightning. It's mostly a spell. Magical spell. Which is why SHAZAM has manipulation with it.

Plus it's rare to see Billy being resorted back. Only powerful beings have done it and Thor isn't one of them.

BTW, here is Ares post about this. He's extremely knowledgable about Cap. I'll quote him and maybe this will help.

Generally, lightning, even magic lightning, can't turn Captain Marvel back into Billy Batson. Members of the Marvel Family have been hit with regular lightning and magical lightning before and not have anything happen to them.

However, powerful enough beings can revert Cap back into Billy, especially if he isn't prepared and actively resisting. The Spectre and the Thunderbolt have both managed this, though in both cases he was taken by surprise.

There have also been a few rare circumstances where regular lightning turned a Marvel Family member back into their mortal form, but those cases were pretty rare. The first was when Captain Marvel Junior was reverted back to normal when he was exposed to a super amount of lightning from supervillain Chain Lightning. However, it was explained that Freddy's connection to the Shazam power at the time wasn't as strong, since he draws his powers from Captain Marvel and not Shazam. Another time was when magic was being weakened across the globe because Gaia, the spirit of the Earth, was dying due to the events of Final Night. Because of this, regular lightning was able to effect Cap.

Beyond that and a few other instances, changing a Marvel Family member against their will has been extremely difficult. Dr. Fate managed it once only by using time travel, and he's about as powerful a mage as you can get in DC.

So, I have faith that Cap can resist Thor.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then it's a different situation because Thor IS the "God of Lightning". Not that it really matters in this thread mind you since the Marvel's aren't even around, I was just curious to see if OV would be willing to apply the same standard to Thor that he wants others to apply to Takion.

I believe Darth it was a few thinking that Takion could have his energy absorbed and manipulated first then Takion doing that to Thor, not the other way around. Not that it matters just saying. 😎

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think he has better control over energy than Thor, but that's just my opinion.

But when it comes to energy absorption, few things top Mjolnir.

Originally posted by kevdude
I believe Darth it was a few thinking that Takion could have his energy absorbed and manipulated first then Takion doing that to Thor, not the other way around. Not that it matters just saying. 😎

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Plus it's rare to see Billy being resorted back. Only powerful beings have done it and Thor isn't one of them.

BTW, here is Ares post about this. He's extremely knowledgable about Cap. I'll quote him and maybe this will help.

So, I have faith that Cap can resist Thor.

Still, if ALL characters regardless of origin are to be considered under the juristiction of the Source in a neutral setting, then ALL lightning should be considered to be under Thor's juristiction. People can't have it both ways and still retain any semblance of impartiality.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Absorbing someone's energy is different than screwing with the source of their powers. Energy absorption is a pretty standard ability, messing with someone's powers the way Takion did to GL, Flash, and Captain Atom isn't. I have no problem with someone saying that Takion or GL could absorb Photon's(Monica) energy, saying that a DC/Marvel character is automatically under the juristiction of the Source/Power Cosmic in a neutral setting is another matter completely.

Still, if ALL characters regardless of origin are to be considered under the juristiction of the Source in a neutral setting, then ALL lightning should be considered to be under Thor's juristiction. People can't have it both ways and still retain any semblance of impartiality.

Like I said before, it was people thinking Thor could absorb power like what Takion is first not the other way around, thats what brought that up... Takions represents a power in DC that is much more powerful then Thor's in Marvel.. How you are comparing them is Thor would be able to absorb the powers of the Celestrials which of course he does not have that sorta power.. In a neutral setting they both would be able to call upon their power sources..

Originally posted by kevdude
Like I said before, it was people thinking Thor could absorb power like what Takion is first not the other way around, thats what brought that up... Takions represents a power in DC that is much more powerful then Thor's in Marvel.. How you are comparing them is Thor would be able to absorb the powers of the Celestrials which of course he does not have that sorta power.. In a neutral setting they both would be able to call upon their power sources..

Originally posted by darthgoober
So you're of the opinion that Takion is comparable in power to the Celestials 🤨 ?

No, hes just got a greater power source to call upon.

Originally posted by kevdude
No, hes just got a greater power source to call upon.

Thor's absorbed energy enough to destroy 1/5 the universe successfully if I'm not mistaken, has Takion ever shown that his body contains more energy than that?

I'm not sure how one is going to prove anything either way here. Takion demonstrated greater control over energy than Captain Atom, who has created and destroyed entire universes MULTIPLE TIMES. He's also had trouble with Lightray.

Thor has absorbed raw energy that was capable of destroying 1/5th of the universe. All the energy from his hammer has also been totally drained by Katie Power, of the Power Pack.

Originally posted by kevdude
Thors power source did not create the universe, The Source did so by that it would have power over Thors, not hard to understand.. 🙄

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thor's absorbed energy enough to destroy 1/5 the universe successfully if I'm not mistaken, has Takion ever shown that his body contains more energy than that?

Additionally, although the Celestials are probably composed mostly of energy (hyperspace, unless that was retconned)...they have an outer shell. Takion is energy. No shell or outer layer or coating about it. Energy with a consciousness. Sentient energy. In a nutshell, that describes him.