Takion vs Thor

Originally posted by quanchi112
What? Did you just say Takion is greater than Odin? 😂 😂

Based on feats, combat showings, common sense, and hyperbole Odin is a lot more than takion has ever shown to be capable of.

Ok. As long as you keep the word hyperbole in mind. It's not hyperbole to say Takion is the avatar of a power that is actually worthy of that description (omnipotent).

Originally posted by quanchi112
Takion isn't the Source and wasn't even chosen to kill of the new gods when it came time to eliminate them.

Takion was killed by the godwave anyways which is less than infnite power described on panel. Going by actual statements the power gem is a lot more powerful than the godwave.

The god wave was capable of multiversal reality manipulation and destruction. And Takion got killed by it after he slowed it down and only because the Source itself was in danger, if the gw wasn't also threatening the Source Takion wouldn't likely have died.

Also what does the godwave have to do with Thor or Odin? We're talking about a difference in power of several orders of magnitude here.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see someone with the Power Gem invading the Silver City and touching the Presence Himself. 😬

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He didn't 'run him off'. IM had no interest in fighting Gog.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does that have to do with the godwave?

I consider it imposing your will on the representative of the source. Picking new gods off in secrecy doesn't scream of power to me.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, absorbtion and the source of someone's powers are different things. I don't see anything wrong with saying that a being from one universe has the potential to absorb from a being from another, I do see something wrong with saying that Takion has control over Thor's godly energies automatically because all Godly energies spring from the source. The origin of Thor's powers doesn't get rectonned because he's in a forum fight with a DC character. Him and the others DO retain their abilities though, so Thor can absorb energy from DC characters just as Takion can absorb energy from Marvel characters. But disrupting the powers of GL and companies energies wasn't an ABILITY of Takion's, it's just something that just kinda happened. He wasn't controling the effect or anything from what I understand, it just happened because of their connection with the Source. Thor doesn't have that connection though, and shouldn't "develope" one just because he's in a forum fight.

And if you weren't saying that Takion has infinite energy, then you didn't really answer the question. I asked what feats Takion had that suggest his body contained more energy than would be required to destroy 1/5 of the universe because we've seen Thor absorb that much energy and you said...

It all comes down to willpower (to channel enough energy) and experience that Takion would have to be able to win. Thor simply does not have the connection to a power source like Takion does. 😕

Originally posted by Omega Vision
When Cronus had the Godwave he was able to literally touch the Presence, that's something the Power Gem wouldn't be able to do. He was defeating entire Pantheons with ease with the Godwave at his disposal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Anyone could take on the power of the presence but not everyone could handle it if they had the opportunity which presented itself. He was adding their power to his own and taking their power. Even then it's not equal to what the power gem is capable of with a capable user.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes it is. The Power Gem is mostly hyperbole.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, except it backs the other gems and makes the ig users thoughts a reality. It has complete mastery over power and it's funny you bring up hyperbole when that is all Takion has going for him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I asked what feats Takion had that suggest his body contained more energy than would be required to destroy 1/5 of the universe because we've seen Thor absorb that much energy and you said...

Lulz? I hope you're not referring to the instance where Thor contained the energy inside of a whirlwind...

Originally posted by Allankles
Ok. As long as you keep the word hyperbole in mind. It's not hyperbole to say Takion is the avatar of a power that is actually worthy of that description (omnipotent).

The god wave was capable of multiversal reality manipulation and destruction. And Takion got killed by it after he slowed it down and only because the Source itself was in danger, if the gw wasn't also threatening the Source Takion wouldn't likely have died.

Also what does the godwave have to do with Thor or Odin? We're talking about a difference in power of several orders of magnitude here.

The thing that killed Takion and the rest of the New Gods, or rather one aspect of their forms, wasn't the Source. Final Crisis Secret Files makes that clear.

And that wasn't what REALLY happened anyway, just one interpretation of the battle. Again, Final Crisis Secret Files makes that clear.

They exist on higher planes of existence.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Are you seriously ascribing the powers of the other gems to the PG by itself? It does not make the users thought into reality because if that were the case Thor would have easily bested Thanos.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think Takion represented power an order of magnitude higher than that of Highfather or Darkseid

I agree that he can beat a Guardian, though.

Originally posted by Enyalus
There is absolutely zero chance that Darkseid would create a being more powerful than himself (Stayne.) So no, pretty sure that theory of your about Takion is incorrect.

I agree that he can beat a Guardian, though.

Darkseid probably had a self destruct switch on Stayne but if she's an exact duplicate of Takion then she could certainly have become more powerful than DS.

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid probably had a self destruct switch on Stayne but if she's an exact duplicate of Takion then she could certainly have become more powerful than DS.

What ever gave you the impression that either Takion or Stayne were above their makers in power?

Having direct access to the power of the Source? Also it is implied by that Old God (forget his name) that not even Highfather had the full extent of the potential of Takion when he thought up the idea to create him.

Amazo is more powerful than Prof. Ivo (I know different circumstances) but the comparison applies here, except at a cosmic level.

Originally posted by Allankles
Having direct access to the power of the Source?

Originally posted by Allankles
Amazo is more powerful than Prof. Ivo (I know different circumstances) but the comparison applies here, except at a cosmic level.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Tapping/channeling the power of the Source, yes. Via his staff.[/B]

He can only tap into a limited amount of power with his Staff, he needed Takion precisely because his connection with the Source wasn't deep enough, so he sacrificed a human life to create a living conduit of the Source. I think most of Highfather's power comes from the Alpha Force.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It sooo does not and you know it. 😛 [/B]

I know there's a monumental disparity in power with Ivo and Amazo but it's similar ( I also had in mind that he used science lol). Takion can tap deeper into the Source since he is basically its living avatar.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Tapping/channeling the power of the Source, yes. Via his staff.

It sooo does not and you know it. 😛 [/B]

takion

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid probably had a self destruct switch on Stayne but if she's an exact duplicate of Takion then she could certainly have become more powerful than DS.