I don't really see any Top Tier defeating Takion. In the Takion mini it was stated that Takion's only limit is the amount of power present in the Source itself. That he represented the conscious will of the Source.
Also I don't think Takion is made of energy per se, but the basic units of The Source itself (the mini).
He is made up of the very stuff from which energy comes from, again from the Takion mini.
Originally posted by AllanklesCould Takion defeat any Guardian iyo?
I don't really see any Top Tier defeating Takion. In the Takion mini it was stated that Takion's only limit is the amount of power present in the Source itself. That he represented the conscious will of the Source.Also I don't think Takion is made of energy per se, but the basic units of The Source itself (the mini).
He is made up of the very stuff from which energy comes from, again from the Takion mini.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Could Takion defeat any Guardian iyo?
I can see him defeating a Guardian of the Universe.
Originally posted by Omega VisionSo basically not anywhere near as effective with the power he represents. He isn't the power he represents or is comparable to the Source which so many on here want to say.
I think Takion represented power an order of magnitude higher than that of Highfather or Darkseid but he lacked the experience or knowledge to use it to its fullest so he appeared as a High Herald character.I can see him defeating a Guardian of the Universe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Could Takion defeat any Guardian iyo?
Definitely. Any cosmic or universal force is under his power and open to his manipulation that includes Oan energy.
In the Mini it was stated that the only kind of energy he cannot directly manipulate is innate or bio energy, and the example of Superman was given since his power is generated internally.
Any kind of cosmic force, Oan since it comes from the emotional spectrum (willpower) , Quantam field, Speed Force is under his sway.
Originally posted by AllanklesAny dc force then not innate iyo.
Definitely. Any cosmic or universal force is under his power and open to his manipulation that includes Oan energy.In the Mini it was stated that the only kind of energy he cannot directly manipulate is innate or bio energy, and the example of Superman was given since his power is generated internally.
Any kind of cosmic force, Oan since it comes from the emotional spectrum (willpower) , Quantam field, Speed Force is under his sway.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So basically not anywhere near as effective with the power he represents. He isn't the power he represents or is comparable to the Source which so many on here want to say.
Takion is essentially an avatar of the Source manifested by Highfather and hosted by a human being Highfather selected.
In the Mini the only thing holding back the avatar Takion is the human host within it, the human will driving it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So basically not anywhere near as effective with the power he represents. He isn't the power he represents or is comparable to the Source which so many on here want to say.
Originally posted by AllanklesThat really doesn't prove anything. That's like me saying Odin is omnipotent the supreme power and he destroys galaxies when angry.
Takion is essentially an avatar of the Source manifested by Highfather and hosted by a human being Highfather selected.In the Mini the only thing holding back the avatar Takion is the human host within it, the human will driving it.
Originally posted by Omega VisionSo basically not the one who appears in comics just the one you made up. He's also dead.
I never said he is=the Source, just that theoretical full power Takion (similar to the mythical infinite-rage/strength Hulk that is at times argued) would be a formidable force that not many beings could defeat. Full power Takion could probably defeat a competent Spectre or thwart a 5D Imp (not Mxy though, he's on another level entirely for some reason).
Originally posted by quanchi112
That really doesn't prove anything. That's like me saying Odin is omnipotent the supreme power and he destroys galaxies when angry. So basically not the one who appears in comics just the one you made up. He's also dead.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHe is capable of getting angrier but I don't say he is unbeatable and make stuff up for the Hulk to win.
We're all guilty of such an argument. I've seen you make a case for Hulk being capable of infinite strength regardless of the lack of evidence beyond hyperbolic statements in his bio.
That said I believe Takion is a peer if not a superior to Thor.
I think if we go by what they actually did Thor routes him. He can't even manipulate Thor's power which is his big trump card anyways.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That really doesn't prove anything. That's like me saying Odin is omnipotent the supreme power and he destroys galaxies when angry.
Odin is one magical skyfather of one pantheon of Skandinavian deities, he's not in the same bracket as the avatar of the source of all energy.
Omnipotence even, has its levels in comics. With Takion it is categorically shown that the power in his command is enormously vast but he is limited by CIS or PIS depending on how you see it.
CIS if you consider that the finite human will within him struggles to tap into the power. PIS if you don't consider his human will a handicap at all.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat? Did you just say Takion is greater than Odin? 😂 😂
Odin is one magical skyfather of one pantheon of Skandinavian deities, he's not in the same bracket as the avatar of the source of all energy.Omnipotence even, has its levels in comics. With Takion it is categorically shown that the power in his command is enormously vast but he is limited by CIS or PIS depending on how you see it.
CIS if you consider that the finite human will within him struggles to tap into the power. PIS if you don't consider his human will a handicap at all.
Based on feats, combat showings, common sense, and hyperbole Odin is a lot more than takion has ever shown to be capable of.
Takion isn't the Source and wasn't even chosen to kill of the new gods when it came time to eliminate them.
Takion was killed by the godwave anyways which is less than infnite power described on panel. Going by actual statements the power gem is a lot more powerful than the godwave.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think if we go by what they actually did Thor routes him. He can't even manipulate Thor's power which is his big trump card anyways.
But Takion hasn't shown any weaknesses. He got taken down by the godwave a vast force capable of multiversal reality manipulation and destruction, and even then there were circumstances, his own power source was distressed.
Then he got taken out by another avatar of the Source in DOTNG. So far between defeating the likes of Stayne and other gods and top tiers, he's been defeated twice by vastly more powerful forces than Thor.
Originally posted by AllanklesGog ran off the avatar of the source in the infinity man an dTakion was less than nothing against him. he's less than orion when he went all out. Yeah, which showings prove he's at the level you claim he is?
But Takion hasn't shown any weaknesses. He got taken down by the godwave a vast force capable of multiversal reality manipulation and destruction, and even then there were circumstances, his own power source was distressed.Then he got taken out by another avatar of the Source in DOTNG. So far between defeating the likes of Stayne and other gods and top tiers, he's been defeated twice by vastly more powerful forces than Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What? Did you just say Takion is greater than Odin? 😂 😂Based on feats, combat showings, common sense, and hyperbole Odin is a lot more than takion has ever shown to be capable of.
Takion isn't the Source and wasn't even chosen to kill of the new gods when it came time to eliminate them.
Takion was killed by the godwave anyways which is less than infnite power described on panel. Going by actual statements the power gem is a lot more powerful than the godwave.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Gog ran off the avatar of the source in the infinity man an dTakion was less than nothing against him. he's less than orion when he went all out. Yeah, which showings prove he's at the level you claim he is?