If Wonder Woman is 100% (in skill), rate these guys . . .

Since these kinds of topics seem so popular at the moment, here is another one.

If Wonder Woman is considered 100% with regards to fighting skill/ability, where would the following characters fall? (Feel free to be lazy like me and just put them in order or any other type of designation you may choose)

Superman
Orion
Thor
Flash (Wally)
Captain Marvel (Billy)
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
Silver Surfer
Supergirl
Power Girl
Silver Surfer
Sentry
Donna Troy
Gladiator

None of her competitors are good martial artists, the only people with impressive feats and training are Gladiator, Thor and Orion.
All the others depend heavily on their powers to win, not depend on their fighting skills

Assuming everyone has equal power, equal speed and equal durability

vs Diana's fighting skills

Superman
12%

Orion
99%

Thor
70%

Flash
5%

Captain Marvel (Billy)
4%

Martian Manhunter
30%

Black Adam
10%

Silver Surfer
12%

Supergirl
20%

Power Girl
2%

Sentry
2%

Donna Troy
50%

Gladiator
90%

Well I know Superman spars with WW frequently and Supergirl has been trained by her. Donna also has training as well. In their recent fight, WW also commented on Power Girls warrior prowess.

I purposefully didn't include noted martial artists like Wolverine or Lady Shiva in this thread. That is all that they do and they are often fighting against other equally talented martial artists. The guys/ladies on this list don't.

I'm just curious how *well* people generally think these super powered guys can fight. WW is setting the bar high but I'm more interested in their relationship to each other.

Originally posted by Firestorms
None of her competitors are good martial artists, the only people with impressive feats and training are Gladiator, Thor and Orion.
All the others depend heavily on their powers to win, not depend on their fighting skills

Assuming everyone has equal power, equal speed and equal durability

vs Diana's fighting skills

Superman
[b]12%

Orion
99%

Thor
70%

Flash
5%

Captain Marvel (Billy)
4%

Martian Manhunter
30%

Black Adam
10%

Silver Surfer
12%

Supergirl
20%

Power Girl
2%

Sentry
2%

Donna Troy
50%

Gladiator
90% [/B]

Superman's not WW good, but he is very experienced and both Diana and Bruce have helped teach him to fight, so at least he doesn't wiff as much as PG did. In his own way he's very very skilled at using his powers.

Superman 60%
Orion 100%
Thor 70%
Flash (Wally) 20%
Captain Marvel (Billy) 40%
Martian Manhunter 30%
Black Adam 50%
Silver Surfer 20%
Supergirl 30%
Power Girl 40%
Sentry 10%
Donna Troy 90%
Gladiator 50%
Karate Kid 200% 😖hifty:

Everyone who isn't new to this business has enough experiance to get the first 10%, after that it's more experience (greater opponents) and hard training, IMO. Diana has mastered the AoF, Orion too.

BTW you don't have to be an MA to be a good fighter. With experience and focus even an very good brawler (street fighter) can take down an Black Belt.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime

BTW you don't have to be an MA to be a good fighter. With experience and focus even an very good brawler (street fighter) can take down an Black Belt.

Yea, martial arts descended from people who were simply good at fights, and at the end it's all 'how good you are at inflicting and avoiding damage,' just different paths in the same direction.

Superman: 65%. Superman is a much better fighter than people give him credit for, me included at one time. Aside from regular sparing with Diana and Batman and the rest of the League, Kal's style of reactionary fighting shows him adapting to whichever situation he's found in. His brief little scuffle in World of New Krypton against another Kryptonian shows that he's not some mindless brawler.

Orion: 95%. This should be a no brainer, honestly. Orion has been fighting for a long, long time.

Thor: 80%. Thor is pretty much one of the best brawlers in his weight class. The guy's sense of warfare and tactics have impressed Captain America before, not to mention Thor has defeated both the Asgardian and Olympian Gods of War (Tyr and Ares) like no one's business.

Flash (Wally): 30%. Wally's been around long enough to use his powers effectively as well as fight prolonged battles at very high speeds.

Captain Marvel (Billy): 45%. Thanks to his own experiences and the Wisdom of Solomon, Billy is able to hold his own against most foes.

Martian Manhunter: 40%. No explanation really needed, imo.

Black Adam: 55%. Adam is smart enough to go all out when he needs to and uses everything at his disposal to handle multiple heroes at once.

Silver Surfer: ?. To be honest, I haven't seen a whole lot of Surfer fights to make an informed judgement.

Supergirl: 25%. Her training with the Amazons as well as her cousin and Batman have paid off when she's been faced with powerful foes.

Power Girl: 50%. It's obvious from her recent fight with Diana, PG has some skill to her name. Regular training and sparring with the JSA - most noticeably Wildcat - keep her pretty sharp.

Sentry: 10%. Bob is basically like a super powered gun. Just point him in the right direction and pull the damn trigger.

Donna Troy: 80%. No explanation hopefully needed here.

Gladiator: 70%. It's obvious Glads is much more than a Superman-esque brick with a funky haircut. He has the skill to fight incredibly effectively.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman: 65%. Superman is a much better fighter than people give him credit for, me included at one time. Aside from regular sparing with Diana and Batman and the rest of the League, Kal's style of reactionary fighting shows him adapting to whichever situation he's found in. His brief little scuffle in World of New Krypton against another Kryptonian shows that he's not some mindless brawler.

Orion: 95%. This should be a no brainer, honestly. Orion has been fighting for a long, long time.

Thor: 80%. Thor is pretty much one of the best brawlers in his weight class. The guy's sense of warfare and tactics have impressed Captain America before, not to mention Thor has defeated both the Asgardian and Olympian Gods of War (Tyr and Ares) like no one's business.

Flash (Wally): 30%. Wally's been around long enough to use his powers effectively as well as fight prolonged battles at very high speeds.

Captain Marvel (Billy): 45%. Thanks to his own experiences and the Wisdom of Solomon, Billy is able to hold his own against most foes.

Martian Manhunter: 40%. No explanation really needed, imo.

Black Adam: 55%. Adam is smart enough to go all out when he needs to and uses everything at his disposal to handle multiple heroes at once.

Silver Surfer: ?. To be honest, I haven't seen a whole lot of Surfer fights to make an informed judgement.

Supergirl: 25%. Her training with the Amazons as well as her cousin and Batman have paid off when she's been faced with powerful foes.

Power Girl: 50%. It's obvious from her recent fight with Diana, PG has some skill to her name. Regular training and sparring with the JSA - most noticeably Wildcat - keep her pretty sharp.

Sentry: 10%. Bob is basically like a super powered gun. Just point him in the right direction and pull the damn trigger.

Donna Troy: 80%. No explanation hopefully needed here.

Gladiator: 70%. It's obvious Glads is much more than a Superman-esque brick with a funky haircut. He has the skill to fight incredibly effectively.

I think this is your worst list yet.
Powergirl at 50? and Superman at 65? Surely you jest, especially after PG got pwned purely by skills
Gladiator at 70 and Donna Troy at 80? Sentry at 10?
Orion at 90? While Superman has fought with him toe-to-toe? If he skills were that much better, surely he would always have an advantage? 😉

Though, yours is the best list so far

I'm assuming this is about how effective one is in combat. Not about how many martial arts styles they know.

Superman - 90%
Orion - 100%
Thor - 100%
Flash (Wally) - 10%
Captain Marvel (Billy) - 70% (Diana herself has commented on how much of an exceptional good combatant Billy is, so I don't think the difference between the two is really that large.)
Martian Manhunter - 30%
Black Adam - 60%
Supergirl - 30%
Power Girl - 40%
Silver Surfer - 10% to 50%?
Sentry - 10%
Donna Troy - 80%
Gladiator - 85%

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I think this is your worst list yet.
Powergirl at 50? and Superman at 65? Surely you jest, especially after PG got pwned purely by skills
Gladiator at 70 and Donna Troy at 80? Sentry at 10?
Orion at 90? While Superman has fought with him toe-to-toe? If he skills were that much better, surely he would always have an advantage? 😉

Though, yours is the best list so far

LOL so it's my worse list...yet the best one so far?

😮

The numbers are based off of average showings as far as I'm concerned. PG at 50 is very spot on in my opinion as Diana commented on how she's not just a wild brawler. And if Diana is 100%, then her schooling PG using superior skills isn't a stretch. Superman has skills, yes, but to me anyway, they're not consistant enough to rank him uber high. Don't see what's wrong with Glad's and Donna's rankings, tbh. Sentry gets a 10 simply for knowing what punching and kicking is and that he can do both pretty hard. Orion? He shows a higher consistant level of skill and top tier brawling than Superman does, imo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
LOL so it's my worse list...yet the best one so far?

😮

The numbers are based off of average showings as far as I'm concerned. PG at 50 is very spot on in my opinion as Diana commented on how she's not just a wild brawler. And if Diana is 100%, then her schooling PG using superior skills isn't a stretch. Superman has skills, yes, but to me anyway, they're not consistant enough to rank him uber high. Don't see what's wrong with Glad's and Donna's rankings, tbh. Sentry gets a 10 simply for knowing what punching and kicking is and that he can do both pretty hard. Orion? He shows a higher consistant level of skill and top tier brawling than Superman does, imo.

As for the list, imo, this is mine.

Superman - 85-90%
Orion - 105%
Thor - 85-90%
Flash (Wally) - 5-10%-He only punches fast. Never kicks and no skills
Captain Marvel (Billy) - 75%
Martian Manhunter - 25% Same as Wally.
Black Adam - 70%
Supergirl - 30%
Power Girl - 50%
Silver Surfer - ???
Sentry - 15% Same as Wally, or MM
Donna Troy - 85%
Gladiator - 80-85%

The thing about this thread is that most people at looking at who uses more skills. That's wrong. Most characters like Superman, Thor, and Orion don't use it because they like to use other tactics first and only if they fail will they rely on skills; this is when their skills really shine.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm assuming this is about how effective one is in combat. Not about how many martial arts styles they know.

You would be correct sir.

Big Barda- 90%

She's able to give Diana a good fight in hand to hand.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman 60%
Orion 100%
Thor 70%
Flash (Wally) 20%
Captain Marvel (Billy) 40%
Martian Manhunter 30%
Black Adam 50%
Silver Surfer 20%
Supergirl 30%
Power Girl 40%
Sentry 10%
Donna Troy 90%
Gladiator 50%
Karate Kid 200% 😖hifty:

Everyone who isn't new to this business has enough experiance to get the first 10%, after that it's more experience (greater opponents) and hard training, IMO. Diana has mastered the AoF, Orion too.

BTW you don't have to be an MA to be a good fighter. With experience and focus even an very good brawler (street fighter) can take down an Black Belt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Superman - 90%

Thor - 100%

how the hell is thor more effective in fighting than Superman?

if anything, superman is far more effective.

Originally posted by Starscream M
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how the hell is thor more effective in fighting than Superman?

if anything, superman is far more effective.

Superman is pretty effective. Especially when he throws in his super speed. The Trinity incident when he handles Superwoman and Ultraman is probably his most impressive incident. At least off the top of my head. Although he was being influenced by Batman's and Wonder Woman's mind through their link. However Thor seems to be more skilled and effective when he needs to be. Of course he doesn't use super speed as much as Clark so it doesn't muddy the water as much. Shit like him beating opponents that are supposed to significantly superior to him like Grog whose a Class 40 when depowered, or the second Juggernaut fight comes to mind. He mostly brawls, so his repertoire consists of dodging and punching but I'll be damned if the shit isn't effective.

Originally posted by Blanket
If you're going with the brawler route and implying that makes a good fighter, then why are Billy, BA, and Superman below Wonder Woman?

It doesn't matter if you use free style or MA. The most important thing is training. Diana was raised as an fighter, she practiced her entire life. A MA isn't a good fighter because he knows MA (it's just an part), he is good because he practices regularly and learns where to strike. A Brawler who fought his entire life and learned from his battles, will be a match for any MA who practiced his entire life. If you wish, free style or street stlye is an style too, the difference is the simple fact that you ain't teached by an sensai but by life, you develope your own style.

On a side note, the more MA styles you know the better your chances are, simply because one person can't learn every trick by himself. Some things might give you the edge against an brawler.

Black Adam - Fedor

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It doesn't matter if you use free style or MA. The most important thing is training. Diana was raised as an fighter, she practiced her entire life. A MA isn't a good fighter because he knows MA (it's just an part), he is good because he practices regularly and learns where to strike. A Brawler who fought his entire life and learned from his battles, will be a match for any MA who practiced his entire life. If you wish, free style or street stlye is an style too, the difference is the simple fact that you ain't teached by an sensai but by life, you develope your own style.