Originally posted by Blanket
K. I was just going by what I heard fighters, and analysts talk about.Brawling is not a style. Brawling on it's own is a sloppy mess. If you want an example of brawling mixed with a style, look no farther than your own Melvin Manhoef.
Yes, I realize, but examples of her skill are lacking. The only reason up to this point that she could be considered above Superman was because she trained longer, and more. Not because her fighting skills on panel are terrific, but because of her training a long time. And that, is just something I can not accept, and had 'brawlers' can defeat MA masters never been brought up, we would have never been in this pickle that is called a debate.
Honing, and learning something new.
No seriously... what?
Basically, you're implying that those fighters from the convict fights or whatever, would beat a real MMA fighter inside those same rules. And that's just terrible.No, the street fighters I'm thinking of aren't people who kill often in the street and get away with it apparently. Wait, didn't you bring up a point of street fighters not being hard enough now a days to compete with K-1 fighters?
I realize. And then after that happens, you get put in jail, and either lose all your experience from getting the shit beat out of you and killed by many guys in prison, or you get shanked, etc.
Also, I think it's rare that a street fight ends in death due to human means as opposed to weapons...Until he knocks you out, takes you down, submits you, etc. Everything a street fighter is capable of, an MMA fighter is, but even moreso, and on a more fine tuned level. You think someone with wrestling experience isn't going to take you down and have his way with you? Basically, your whole argument can be summed up in Rihanna's 'Hard' song, no offense.
Exactly. Which is why war isn't true fighting because it has rules. Street fighting doesn't. Street fighting > war.
I only adressed your typo, as that was the only substance. I don't often get distracted by white batteries that are sitting right beside me that I can't recharge or they'll ruin my recharger, and I need a special recharger to recharge them.
Every argument stems from one person thinking that their opinion is better than the other persons. The difference is ego, cockyness, and ass hole-ishness.
To never be that sloppy again.
I never claimed to be a street fighter, or an MMA fighter though. You asked a question, and I answered it. Although I'm glad I don't live in rougher cities where nut kneeing, and shanking is predominate.I find it highly unlikely an MA master, or MMA fighter would suddenly fight out of style based on a 'death match'. Either way, like I said, they have all the tools to accomplish their tasks. A street fighter is not versed in wrestling or BJJ. As well as the standup skill, and knowhow to deal with someone sloppily coming at them with haymakers. I've seen someone trained in boxing one punch a self proclaimed 'street fighter' after dodging a haymaker. You go on Youtube and find a boxer beating the shit out of two guys. You go on youtube and find a boxer holding off a horde of people. Hell even the latest parody of Forrest vs Silva had a kid dodging haymakers and then beating the **** out of him. Listen to all of Bas Rutten's stories, or of Alistair and his brother supposedly beating up a ton of bouncers. The closest thing we also have to visual evidence of 'real' street fighters is the convict fights or whatever the hell it's called. And I would laugh my ass off if those guys could beat any semi touted MMA fighter.
No. I assume that someone who has trained for half his life in fighting arts fighting other people who have trained for half of their life in fighting arts would beat a self trained 'Street fighter'.
*cough* Tank Abbott *cough*
K. If that works for you, fine. 🙂
How would you call it then if someone fights his entire life without learning an particular MA-Style? I think brawling or street fighting works best to describe those people. You can stop giving out names so freely btw, I believe you watch a lot of MMA 😬 , no need to impress me.
Then you should read up. Athene gifted her with skill and she has show them more then once. What you accept and what not isn't canon though 😐 .
And brawlers defeated MA Masters already, it's nothing new. Though with you weak chin argument it becomes meaningless i guess.
Ok, rusty then.
No, basically what I implied is: An experienced fighter who doesn't know any MA-Style can beat an MMA fighter if they fight without rules. You won't get enough experience in our peaceful days but since the characters in comic fight quite often for their lives, they do. So after a while they can be a match for MA.
What you seem to think is that an MMA fighter will win everytime against someone (who has no knowledge of MA-Styles), it doesn't matter where he comes from, what he did and what he lived through. And that's just terrible.
Because there aren't many if any Street Fighters out there? We live in modern times, violence isn't tolerated and opposed to the comics our society deals quite efficiently with the people who disagree. 😐
Good. Just wanted to make sure you know that one doesn't need MA knowledge to kill someone (the killing technique!), it's nothing special after all. 🙂
I don't know if there are any street fighters but Manslaughter isn't as uncommon as it should be, unfortunatly.
Leave me out of those fights, pls. Depends on the Street Fighter. You can generalize everything if you wish. MMA fighters might impress you and they might be impressive in our peaceful part of the world but they Are Not the Be-All and End-All in the world, if it comes down to fighting. 😬 No offense taken, but you listen to Rihanna? Seriously?
I would give you a facepalm but I guess you are joking. War and rules, a funny though.
Now you are cocky.
You don't have to confess, I'm no priest. 🙂
That explains a lot. You know, not everyone has to be sloppy just because you are/were.
I'm glad I live in a peaceful part of the world too. 🙂
They wouldn't have much choice I guess. Improvise or die. You still imply that everyone is sloppy. If someone would be used to fight seriously, for his live for example, do you honestly think he would be sloppy? 😬
Give them a reason and they might surprise you.
You assume that every fighter who wasn't trained in MA (Styles) is sloppy and has no fighting skills, which is honestly pure BS.
I assume that someone who wasn't teached any technique but who has learned how to fight in "real" fights (without rules and without conscience) half of his life, would waste an "sparring" only MA Master and would most probably beat an MMA fighter, in an fight without rules.
If you wish, fighting with rules is an Sport.
*cough*impressive you knowledge*cough*
As for the russian and the fat boy example, Concession accepted.
So what do you think?
MA-Style > experience > physical condition?
IMO experience >= physical condtion > MA-Styles.
Oh and no need to feel offended just because I don't give MA the credit you think it deserves. 🙂
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeIMO experience >= physical condtion > MA-Styles.
Thor and Hercules are not more skillfull than Ironfist yet they have 100's of times more experience, if they were given peak human bodies akin to Dannys, he would wreck them at the same time.
i guess thats the experience > ma styles out the window then..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Superman-130%
Orion- 180%
Thor-180%
Flash (Wally)- 20%
Captain Marvel (Billy)- 145%
Martian Manhunter-145%
Black Adam-170%
Silver Surfer- 125%
Supergirl- 110%
Power Girl-105%
Sentry- 160%
Donna Troy- 89%
Gladiator- 178%
You'd rank most of these people above Diana in the skill department?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
usually her getting handled by supe and his skull punch to the back of her head..
Anyone can get suckerpunched. Superman's been suckerpunched... a lot. And Diana has a good share of wins and draws against Clark for that matter.
Sacrifice's ground stint showed her as more skilled than him in HtH, and her recent PG fight showed she's a lot better than Power Girl.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the time she got punched by DS... and the time Supes hurt her by freezing her... her deep seeded need to be dominate by being roped up..
Well, when I see Supergirl, Powergirl, and (WTF?) Sentry ranked higher than her in the skill department, I tend to not to take the scoring seriously.