If Wonder Woman is 100% (in skill), rate these guys . . .

Originally posted by Blanket
It's not all sex appeal with me.

Also, Batman-Prime (don't want to edit, since you won't see it); what was the point of bringing up Thomas Denny on Bully Beatdown when they have even more rules than MMA, if you're going to turn around and discredit the rules in MMA?

The Bully had some experience fighting weak people, he had no chance against an MMA fighter with more and better experience. Due to his physical fitness however he performed surprisingly well against an superior opponent. The point is, the physcial condition is more important then MA, though not as much as experience.

Since you said once you use an Wii, maybe you can tell me how to get this thing online. I have an Windows Vista PC or an MacBook pro, I use an LAN connection though both computers could establish an WLAN connection. Is there a way to connect my Wii via WLAN with my PC and then with the internet?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
LMAO at the sight of Blanket debating

Most improved poster. 😄

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So what you think I though is wrong, ok.
Ask all those Black Belts out there.

It's about fighting skills. I just noted that an MA Style isn't the most important thing to become a skilled fighter, it isn't even one of the most important things. Either you are misinterpreting me or I'm not clear enough.

Bad choice of words, yes I'm familiar with this, I also have a hard time explain what I mean...
And he relearns what he has "forgotten". We agree after all i guess.

"Portrayal and what things are is something else entirely." I agree.

Ok, that's my fault, when I started to talk about MMA I thought about UFC. MMA aren't only restricted to UFC.
The Cage Fight i saw, and you might be right with those 15 years, was quite close.
RL is an reference comics use. But it seems we talk past each other, so let's keep it simple.
Experience(real fighting) > MA (Style + Training)
MA Fighter (with a lot real fighting experience) >= Brawler (with a lot fighting experience)

Street Fighter = someone who ocassionally brawls with people? I think that's what you are thinking. Yes someone like this has no chance against an experience MMA fighter. Because the MMA fighter has way more experience.
What I try to get at here is, if you would fight you entire life, fighting for your life, surviving and learning (fcition you know) how to kill, you would develop your own style if you wish to call it so and then you would probably be harder then an MMA Fighter and trash said fighter even though he has leaner MA skills.
Not discredit, become more clear and put it all in relation to each other.
Yeah, war has rules... I bet everyone follows those rules yesdur

Once the healing process... oh forget it...😛
Yes you should. UFC is overrated. MAA is helpful, better?

No I just gave my opinion. You questioned my opinion and it seemed like you wanted to imply that your opinion > mine. :/ So i wanted to know why you think this.
What MA are you learning?
So you fought on the street? In school? Who won? Is this the reason you started to train?

A Street Fighter? No, I doubt there is an street fighter these days who has as much experience as Remy. Most people who fight on the street learn that our civilization doesn't approve violence... 😐

Question: Do you think an Black Belt who just sparred in his Gym and perfected his technique, would beat someone who has never learned an MA but who has faught his entire life and killed a lot of people with his bare hands?

Must be not clear enough, because I only remember you bringing up MA style once...
Anyway, you haven't brought up skills though. I know this because you haven't. I've been waiting this entire argument for you to do so. I think I even remarked on it earlier.

I never said he relearns what he forgot. I said he relearns what he learned before. Essentially, training what he already knows and learning more stuff. Going back to the basics in other words.

k.

A mistake many make. Especially Nuul, but that's beside the point. Either way, a lot has changed in those 15 years. 15 years ago, I would agree that a street fighter could beat the average MMA fighter... I mean, look at Tank, but now, I disagree entirely.

But MA is also experience, so how can this be overlooked? You can't train a style without gaining experience.
An MA fighter with a lot of experience would be over the street fighter by a bit (depending on the style). An MMA fighter with a lot of experience would destroy the Street fighter.

K. Although I'd like to get your definition of a street fighter because you seem to be confusing street fighters with Rambo...
Well ya, if you've developed a style that kills people... 😐
Though, even by that definition, the 'street fighter' (if you can call him that anymore) would still be sloppy, and still be lacking in a lot of other areas. The reason people get better is because they have coaches, and train all the time. As well as have tapes to research and can look at all there mistakes. Those are luxuries street fighters don't have, and when a good street fighter aquires such resources, then they become better. As such, farther proving that MMA training is better than being self trained.

War does follow those rules though. Or else the UN writes angry letters.

MMA.

I never think my opinion is better than others. What I think is that things I say make more sense than others. I said your argument has faults, as does mine. I think you're wrong, but I don't think that me saying something has more basis than you saying something. I think that the subject matter at hand has a strong factor to do with this.
If that's what you're implying. Outside of implications, yes, I think my opinion > yours right now.
Basic wrestling, MT, and BJJ. Need better gym.
Me. No, the real reason I started to train was because of me having an extremely sloppy drunk 'boxing' match with one of my friends. Haymakers all around until I got kneed in the nuts.

So, why would a street fighter beat an MA master? Surely an MA master could nullify things like headbutts and stomps, no? As that's the only advantage a street fighter would theoretically have, outside of 'no experience' masters.

More often than not, yes. Depends on which style though of course. Karate/TKD (things that need black belts), no, although actually, Karate would probably. MT, american kickboxing, etc, yes. One leg kick would seriously **** someone up who's not used to this.
Of course, this is ignoring the notion that street fighters are killers that kills with their bare hands. 😐

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The Bully had some experience fighting weak people, he had no chance against an MMA fighter with more and better experience. Due to his physical fitness however he performed surprisingly well against an superior opponent. The point is, the physcial condition is more important then MA, though not as much as experience.

Since you said once you use an Wii, maybe you can tell me how to get this thing online. I have an Windows Vista PC or an MacBook pro, I use an LAN connection though both computers could establish an WLAN connection. Is there a way to connect my Wii via WLAN with my PC and then with the internet?

Most improved poster. 😄

I'm not sure you can connect it from the computers via that way. I know mine only connects to a router, so uh dunno.
You can turn your Wii on and go to the settings though when you establish the connection and see what happens. It should be able to pick it up automatically when you search for an access point if you can indeed do it that way.

Least improved poster.

So mine definition differs, I understand an Brawler (or Street Fighter) someone who has no MA-Style just his own Style.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It doesn't matter if you use free style or MA. The most important thing is training. Diana was raised as an fighter, she practiced her entire life. A MA isn't a good fighter because he knows MA (it's just an part), he is good because he practices regularly and learns where to strike. A Brawler who fought his entire life and learned from his battles, will be a match for any MA who practiced his entire life. If you wish, free style or street stlye is an style too, the difference is the simple fact that you ain't teached by an sensai but by life, you develope your own style.

On a side note, the more MA styles you know the better your chances are, simply because one person can't learn every trick by himself. Some things might give you the edge against an brawler.

Here, first page, me tallking about styles.
Martial Arts = All the different Styles. Else Brawling would qualify as MA too, right? I think it's more like an free style.

This whole thread is about fighting skills 😐. "If Wonder Woman is 100% (in skill), rate these guys . . ." We talk about our interpretation of Skill, i guess.

Forgot was the wrong word, rusty, better?

Good.

I don't deny that it is experience but this experienced is inferior to a more serious "experience". The more rules you have the less experienced you will become in a sense.
Depends on the Street Fighter and your definition of said one.

Brawler, street fighter = someone who learned and fought his entire life (or a big part of it) for survival? The street fighters you think of are just kids in the neighborhood.

You kann kill people with you bare hands too, you know? You don't even have to use hands btw, you can kick someone to death. Beat him to the ground and repeat kicking his head, stomp on it or strangle him with your bare hands. 😐

I don't deny that it's better then being self trained 😐. If you train for yourself and fight against your twin who was tought by an MA, well he will kick your ass, most probably. If you however grow up, fighting regular for survival and your twin perfects his MA-style and gets some UFC experience, you will most probably kill him.

Yes, the World is scared of those letters scared

Typo, distractions everywhere :/.

It's what you implied the moment you started this "argument".
And now you admitted it 🙂.

Good. Your ambitions are?
You are no street fighter though this "until I got kneed in the nuts" however is an part of "real fighting".

Depends on the Street Fighter and the MA master. 😐
Let them fight to death and see how much style you will find in such an encounter...

I disagree. You assume that your enemy waits and let's you do as you wish. That's why I expanded this "debate" to the killer argument. UFC, MA etc. follow rules, they aren't "real" fighting. It's a different state of mind if you fight for your life or for money (fame, whatever).

Originally posted by Blanket
He did well because Thomas Denny doesn't really do well on the ground that I've seen, and a lot of his basic attacks were taken away from him in the standup. Any real MMA fighter I've ever heard from always says that mindset is the most important. It's just that the bully was fighting someone with extremely thick padding, had headkicks/knees taken away, and Thomas Denny was already not known for his power anyway...

I'm not sure you can connect it from the computers via that way. I know mine only connects to a router, so uh dunno.
You can turn your Wii on and go to the settings though when you establish the connection and see what happens. It should be able to pick it up automatically when you search for an access point if you can indeed do it that way.

Least improved poster.

So you mean a fat boy would have performed as well as the russian? 😐
Excuses, nothing more.

Ok, thanks I guess i will have to buy an usb-ethernet adapter🙁.

Thank you, how kind hehe

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Since these kinds of topics seem so popular at the moment, here is another one.

If Wonder Woman is considered 100% with regards to fighting skill/ability, where would the following characters fall? (Feel free to be lazy like me and just put them in order or any other type of designation you may choose)

Superman
Orion
Thor
Flash (Wally)
Captain Marvel (Billy)
Martian Manhunter
Black Adam
Silver Surfer
Supergirl
Power Girl
Silver Surfer
Sentry
Donna Troy
Gladiator

Superman - 150
Orion - 95
Thor - 95 (fights mostly b-level villains)
Flash (Wally) - 95
Captain Marvel (Billy) - 100
Martian Manhunter - 105
Black Adam - 95
Silver Surfer - 95
Supergirl - 80
Power Girl - 80
Sentry -80
Donna Troy - 80
Gladiator - 90

haermm

Nooo, I think several of the prior lists are more accurate than that one 🙂 She's obviously somewhat more skilled than Superman, and quite a bit more skilled than PG.

Originally posted by Blanket
[Br... anyway, real life being brought up and all, how do you explain GSP being a strong canidate for one of the best p4p fighters in MMA. He hasn't had the experience or amount of training that most guys have had. Or BJ Penn. The guy is just naturally gifted (applicable to Superman), yet is 'lazy' (in MMA), and still destroys people. [/B]

i dont mean to deviate or distract from the debate at hand, however gsp is known for his commitment to training and practice. He is by no means 'lazy' in any sense of the word. He is simply very commited, intelligent and humble. And that is why he excels and is a very good fighter.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So mine definition differs, I understand an Brawler (or Street Fighter) someone who has no MA-Style just his own Style.

Here, first page, me tallking about styles.
Martial Arts = All the different Styles. Else Brawling would qualify as MA too, right? I think it's more like an free style.

This whole thread is about fighting skills 😐. "If Wonder Woman is 100% (in skill), rate these guys . . ." We talk about our interpretation of Skill, i guess.

Forgot was the wrong word, rusty, better?

Good.

I don't deny that it is experience but this experienced is inferior to a more serious "experience". The more rules you have the less experienced you will become in a sense.
Depends on the Street Fighter and your definition of said one.

Brawler, street fighter = someone who learned and fought his entire life (or a big part of it) for survival? The street fighters you think of are just kids in the neighborhood.

You kann kill people with you bare hands too, you know? You don't even have to use hands btw, you can kick someone to death. Beat him to the ground and repeat kicking his head, stomp on it or strangle him with your bare hands. 😐

I don't deny that it's better then being self trained 😐. If you train for yourself and fight against your twin who was tought by an MA, well he will kick your ass, most probably. If you however grow up, fighting regular for survival and your twin perfects his MA-style and gets some UFC experience, you will most probably kill him.

Yes, the World is scared of those letters scared

Typo, distractions everywhere :/.

It's what you implied the moment you started this "argument".
And now you admitted it 🙂.

Good. Your ambitions are?
You are no street fighter though this "until I got kneed in the nuts" however is an part of "real fighting".

Depends on the Street Fighter and the MA master. 😐
Let them fight to death and see how much style you will find in such an encounter...

I disagree. You assume that your enemy waits and let's you do as you wish. That's why I expanded this "debate" to the killer argument. UFC, MA etc. follow rules, they aren't "real" fighting. It's a different state of mind if you fight for your life or for money (fame, whatever).

Brawling is not a style. Brawling on it's own is a sloppy mess. If you want an example of brawling mixed with a style, look no farther than your own Melvin Manhoef.

Yes, I realize, but examples of her skill are lacking. The only reason up to this point that she could be considered above Superman was because she trained longer, and more. Not because her fighting skills on panel are terrific, but because of her training a long time. And that, is just something I can not accept, and had 'brawlers' can defeat MA masters never been brought up, we would have never been in this pickle that is called a debate.

Honing, and learning something new.

No seriously... what?
Basically, you're implying that those fighters from the convict fights or whatever, would beat a real MMA fighter inside those same rules. And that's just terrible.

No, the street fighters I'm thinking of aren't people who kill often in the street and get away with it apparently. Wait, didn't you bring up a point of street fighters not being hard enough now a days to compete with K-1 fighters?

I realize. And then after that happens, you get put in jail, and either lose all your experience from getting the shit beat out of you and killed by many guys in prison, or you get shanked, etc.
Also, I think it's rare that a street fight ends in death due to human means as opposed to weapons...

Until he knocks you out, takes you down, submits you, etc. Everything a street fighter is capable of, an MMA fighter is, but even moreso, and on a more fine tuned level. You think someone with wrestling experience isn't going to take you down and have his way with you? Basically, your whole argument can be summed up in Rihanna's 'Hard' song, no offense.

Exactly. Which is why war isn't true fighting because it has rules. Street fighting doesn't. Street fighting > war.

I only adressed your typo, as that was the only substance. I don't often get distracted by white batteries that are sitting right beside me that I can't recharge or they'll ruin my recharger, and I need a special recharger to recharge them.

Every argument stems from one person thinking that their opinion is better than the other persons. The difference is ego, cockyness, and ass hole-ishness.

To never be that sloppy again.
I never claimed to be a street fighter, or an MMA fighter though. You asked a question, and I answered it. Although I'm glad I don't live in rougher cities where nut kneeing, and shanking is predominate.

I find it highly unlikely an MA master, or MMA fighter would suddenly fight out of style based on a 'death match'. Either way, like I said, they have all the tools to accomplish their tasks. A street fighter is not versed in wrestling or BJJ. As well as the standup skill, and knowhow to deal with someone sloppily coming at them with haymakers. I've seen someone trained in boxing one punch a self proclaimed 'street fighter' after dodging a haymaker. You go on Youtube and find a boxer beating the shit out of two guys. You go on youtube and find a boxer holding off a horde of people. Hell even the latest parody of Forrest vs Silva had a kid dodging haymakers and then beating the **** out of him. Listen to all of Bas Rutten's stories, or of Alistair and his brother supposedly beating up a ton of bouncers. The closest thing we also have to visual evidence of 'real' street fighters is the convict fights or whatever the hell it's called. And I would laugh my ass off if those guys could beat any semi touted MMA fighter.

No. I assume that someone who has trained for half his life in fighting arts fighting other people who have trained for half of their life in fighting arts would beat a self trained 'Street fighter'.

*cough* Tank Abbott *cough*

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So you mean a fat boy would have performed as well as the russian? 😐
Excuses, nothing more.

Ok, thanks I guess i will have to buy an usb-ethernet adapter🙁.

Thank you, how kind hehe

k.

Originally posted by meep-meep
i dont mean to deviate or distract from the debate at hand, however gsp is known for his commitment to training and practice. He is by no means 'lazy' in any sense of the word. He is simply very commited, intelligent and humble. And that is why he excels and is a very good fighter.

GSP started training in Kyokushin Karate at age 7. It's not like he's new to fighting/MMA.

Originally posted by batdude123
GSP started training in Kyokushin Karate at age 7. It's not like he's new to fighting/MMA.

Originally posted by Blanket
Yes, but he started training his most dominant aspect at a very late age.

Then you could have just said he became a great wrestler very quickly. uhuh

Originally posted by batdude123
Then you could have just said he became a great wrestler very quickly. uhuh

Either way, completely null as a bloodlusted street fighter would kill him.

Originally posted by Blanket
Either way, completely null as a bloodlusted street fighter would kill him.

A bloodlusted street fighter would not be impressed by his pair-for-mance.

Originally posted by Desaad
Oeming felt that in a grapple, Hercules would have the edge, in part because it's his type of fighting and in part because he is slightly stronger.

Which is fairly legit, I guess. The same way that in all out, no holds bar battle Oeming seemed to think that Ares was more capable than Hercules (despite Hercules being the physically more impressive foe, as he's proven over and over again).

Where did Oeming say that he felt Hercules was slightly stronger?

The grappling part makes sense as grappling is what Hercules is best at. All and all, it's not that bad. What annoys me is that it stemmed from this need of things to be fair and not because Hercules' and Thor's history back it up.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What annoys me is that it made thor look bad

Originally posted by Starscream M
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Don't you have anything better to do than troll me?

I could respond in a clever remark, but honestly, at this point, I'm tired of proving how stupid you are. It's just....boring and beneath me now.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Don't you have anything better to do than troll me?