If Wonder Woman is 100% (in skill), rate these guys . . .

So, when doing my list, I sort of went by this standard:

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It doesn't matter if you use free style or MA. The most important thing is training. Diana was raised as an fighter, she practiced her entire life. A MA isn't a good fighter because he knows MA (it's just an part), he is good because he practices regularly and learns where to strike. A Brawler who fought his entire life and learned from his battles, will be a match for any MA who practiced his entire life. If you wish, free style or street stlye is an style too, the difference is the simple fact that you ain't teached by an sensai but by life, you develope your own style.

On a side note, the more MA styles you know the better your chances are, simply because one person can't learn every trick by himself. Some things might give you the edge against an brawler.

And, taking them at what they can/have done, not necessarily what they always display.

Superman - 95% (Brawling/MA combo is very impressive.)
Orion - 200+ % (Thousands of years old + 90% of the universe's fighting techniques mastered? Check.)
Thor - 90%
Flash (Wally) - 20%
Captain Marvel (Billy) - 70%
Martian Manhunter - 50%
Black Adam - 85% (Maybe the best pure brawler on this list.)
Silver Surfer - 45%
Supergirl - 60%
Power Girl - 65%
Sentry - 20% (Getting owned by Hercules and She-Hulk didn't help here.)
Donna Troy - 85%
Gladiator - 200+ % (Supposedly mastered all fighting techniques in the Shi'ar galaxy, hundreds of years old, career soldier...)

Originally posted by Enyalus
So, when doing my list, I sort of went by this standard:

And, taking them at what they can/have done, not necessarily what they always display.

Superman - 95% (Brawling/MA combo is very impressive.)
Orion - 200+ % (Thousands of years old + 90% of the universe's fighting techniques mastered? Check.)
Thor - 90%
Flash (Wally) - 20%
Captain Marvel (Billy) - 70%
Martian Manhunter - 50%
Black Adam - 85% (Maybe the best pure brawler on this list.)
Silver Surfer - 45%
Supergirl - 60%
Power Girl - 65%
Sentry - 20% (Getting owned by Hercules and She-Hulk didn't help here.)
Donna Troy - 85%
Gladiator - 200+ % (Supposedly mastered all fighting techniques in the Shi'ar galaxy, hundreds of years old, career soldier...)

I like your list. Though I would put Thor over Superman and Glads 200%? I dunno, it's a bit much considering his win/lose ratio.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I like your list. Though I would put Thor over Superman and Glads 200%? I dunno, it's a bit much considering his win/lose ratio.

Glads only showcases his skills sometimes. Like Superman. And for that matter, like Majestic. I guess its difficult to depict those kind of characters with great MA.

The Hercules scene was a bone thrown from Oeming to try and make it fair. Thor's effectiveness in combat is greater than what Hercules has shown.

Enyalus, you put a bit too much stock into claims in my opinion.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes...and?

Superman does all that and a cherry on top.

Still don't see anything thor does in fights that superman doesn't do...better.

Not really. Thor's been doing shit when depowered or extremely weakened, that I cannot picture Superman doing.

Originally posted by Enyalus
So, when doing my list, I sort of went by this standard:

And, taking them at what they can/have done, not necessarily what they always display.

Superman - 95% (Brawling/MA combo is very impressive.)
Orion - 200+ % (Thousands of years old + 90% of the universe's fighting techniques mastered? Check.)
Thor - 90%
Flash (Wally) - 20%
Captain Marvel (Billy) - 70%
Martian Manhunter - 50%
Black Adam - 85% (Maybe the best pure brawler on this list.)
Silver Surfer - 45%
Supergirl - 60%
Power Girl - 65%
Sentry - 20% (Getting owned by Hercules and She-Hulk didn't help here.)
Donna Troy - 85%
Gladiator - 200+ % (Supposedly mastered all fighting techniques in the Shi'ar galaxy, hundreds of years old, career soldier...)

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman: 65%. Superman is a much better fighter than people give him credit for, me included at one time. Aside from regular sparing with Diana and Batman and the rest of the League, Kal's style of reactionary fighting shows him adapting to whichever situation he's found in. His brief little scuffle in World of New Krypton against another Kryptonian shows that he's not some mindless brawler.

Orion: 95%. This should be a no brainer, honestly. Orion has been fighting for a long, long time.

Thor: 80%. Thor is pretty much one of the best brawlers in his weight class. The guy's sense of warfare and tactics have impressed Captain America before, not to mention Thor has defeated both the Asgardian and Olympian Gods of War (Tyr and Ares) like no one's business.

Flash (Wally): 30%. Wally's been around long enough to use his powers effectively as well as fight prolonged battles at very high speeds.

Captain Marvel (Billy): 45%. Thanks to his own experiences and the Wisdom of Solomon, Billy is able to hold his own against most foes.

Martian Manhunter: 40%. No explanation really needed, imo.

Black Adam: 55%. Adam is smart enough to go all out when he needs to and uses everything at his disposal to handle multiple heroes at once.

Silver Surfer: ?. To be honest, I haven't seen a whole lot of Surfer fights to make an informed judgement.

Supergirl: 25%. Her training with the Amazons as well as her cousin and Batman have paid off when she's been faced with powerful foes.

Power Girl: 50%. It's obvious from her recent fight with Diana, PG has some skill to her name. Regular training and sparring with the JSA - most noticeably Wildcat - keep her pretty sharp.

Sentry: 10%. Bob is basically like a super powered gun. Just point him in the right direction and pull the damn trigger.

Donna Troy: 80%. No explanation hopefully needed here.

Gladiator: 70%. It's obvious Glads is much more than a Superman-esque brick with a funky haircut. He has the skill to fight incredibly effectively.

i give it

superman 70% some good skill
orion 95% highly skilled
thor 90% highly skilled
flash 50% some skill
captain M 60% some skill
martian 70% good skill
black A 75% good skill
silver S 40% ok skill
super girl 40% ok skill
power girl 55% some skill
sentry 15% low skill
donna troy 80% very good skill
gladiator 70% good skill

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Hercules scene was a bone thrown from Oeming to try and make it fair. Thor's effectiveness in combat is greater than what Hercules has shown.

Enyalus, you put a bit too much stock into claims in my opinion.

😬 Hercules literally outfought Thor while pissed out of his ass drunk. It's not just 'claims' or text I'm using when I give an opinion.

Originally posted by Enyalus
😬 Hercules literally outfought Thor while pissed out of his ass drunk. It's not just 'claims' or text I'm using when I give an opinion.

Apparently according to Oeming, he was writing under the impression that Hercules is a better fighter when Drunk. Don't ask me why, but his apparently stated that as one of his reasonings for Hercules having the slight edge unless the quote was faked.

Like I said, it was baseless.

Nah, I was referring to the Gladiator part. And maybe a bit towards the Orion part.

Oeming felt that in a grapple, Hercules would have the edge, in part because it's his type of fighting and in part because he is slightly stronger.

Which is fairly legit, I guess. The same way that in all out, no holds bar battle Oeming seemed to think that Ares was more capable than Hercules (despite Hercules being the physically more impressive foe, as he's proven over and over again).

Originally posted by Enyalus
So, when doing my list, I sort of went by this standard:

And, taking them at what they can/have done, not necessarily what they always display.

Superman - 95% (Brawling/MA combo is very impressive.)
Orion - 200+ % (Thousands of years old + 90% of the universe's fighting techniques mastered? Check.)
Thor - 90%
Flash (Wally) - 20%
Captain Marvel (Billy) - 70%
Martian Manhunter - 50%
Black Adam - 85% (Maybe the best pure brawler on this list.)
Silver Surfer - 45%
Supergirl - 60%
Power Girl - 65%
Sentry - 20% (Getting owned by Hercules and She-Hulk didn't help here.)
Donna Troy - 85%
Gladiator - 200+ % (Supposedly mastered all fighting techniques in the Shi'ar galaxy, hundreds of years old, career soldier...)

I generally agree with this list, except for Orion and Gladiator. I thought it was stated that WW has mastered pretty much all forms of unarmed combat as well as some alien forms as well. Perhaps someone knows the scan. And she is supposed to be proficient with most weapons. Batman did call her the greatest melee fighter on Earth. Shes probably older than Gladiator if we count the years in Asgard. That being said I would say something like . . .

Superman - 80%
Orion - 100-105% (Giving him a possible edge because of age)
Thor - 85%
Flash - 20%
Captain Marvel - 65%
Martian Manhunter - 50%
Black Adam - 75%
Silver Surfer - 45%
Supergirl - 60%
Power Girl - 65%
Sentry - 20%
Donna Troy - 85%
Gladiator - 95%

And I forgot to add him to the original list, but I'd list Hercules at 90%

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Since Q99 already explained most of your post better then i would have been able to, I will give you an short answer to the other points.

Wolverine is good, as good as you can get IMO, though he gets lazy sometimes.

Karate Kid's MA work more like an Superpower.
And as said, the more you know the better your chances are. Knowledge can give you the edge, though as Bruce Lee teached, you should take the best from each style and drop the rest. One style is far from perfect, there is no uber-style that gives you the auto-win. That's why i would give the fighter with a better and broader MA knowledge the slight edge over another MA-fighter or "Self-teached fighter".
KK knows all styles (impossible but as said, superpower), he is the perfection, though that comes from pre-crisis days and as such is "broken"

I know that a good Street Fighter can beat a Black Belt 😉. I saw once an fight, an German Karate "Master" wanted to test his skill in an cage fight. His enemy was more like an hooligan, he rushed, knocked him down, and headbutted him into submission. The fight lasted 20 seconds at best. The difference was simple it seemed, while the Karate Black Belt learned his style in an friendlier atmosphere in sparring conditions he lacked the experience of fighting opponents who don't use Karate and who are ready to hurt you, the Cage Fighter however was experienced and used to the bloody side of the business.
Just an example, there might be others that favour Styles more. The crucial point is then experience and the edge might be the amount of MA skills one attained.

RL and comics might differ, you know 😛. In comics MA are portrayed often like Superpowers, though even then, heroes tend to keep up or win against them. The biggest difference in RL is the personal fitness. Some people are gifted with an better physique, simple.

Look at this bully, he can hold his own against an experienced MMA fighter (ok he sucks but still better then the bully). The Bully still doesn't stands a chance because he seemingly never had an challange in his "fights". However, the Bully is fit as a Schnitzel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbA-Cg4qaZw&feature=related

Lazy sometimes. Not sure when. When he's not training, he's fighting, when he's not fighting, he's riding a motorcycle and fighting, when he's not doing that, he's drinking and fighting. It's not like he takes a break in one of his millions of issues, he's fighting in pretty much all of them.

And are explained as him training them with no super powers.
I realize, although I wouldn't give the MA fighter with broad knowledge a slight edge over a self trained fighter... hell, even an MMA fighter with vast experience who starts self training himself after a while will lose to full time dedicates (example, 'Mach' losing to Gono and Marius).
Right. And he hasn't trained as long, or had as much experience as WW.

Or the fact that the Karate master doesn't have a chin like I earlier said. And Karate doesn't translate well into actual fights (unless you're Machida). As well as I'm sure the guy wasn't just a street fighter, and from the sounds of the headbutting notion... it sounds like you're talking about Wanderlei Silva...
Also, if headbutts were allowed, then you're talking about like 15 years ago; when everyone was one dimensional.

That's the biggest difference? Isn't that a big difference in comics as well?

I'm not even going to click the Youtube video, because I already guarantee I know what you're talking about.

First things first, Thomas Denny is terrible, and lacks a chin.
Second thing. Those aren't even MMA fights, and the first round is submissions (something Thomas Denny isn't exactly known for), and the second round has modified kickboxing rules (without knees or kicks to the head, and with shin guards and head gear), which again, Thomas Denny is not exactly known for. However, assuming this was a full MMA fight, Thomas Denny would have still beaten him on the decision. And if that was a capable MMA fighter, the 'Bully' (we don't even know how much training he's had, as everyone and Jesus is training MMA now) would have gotten nothing.

^Blanket? What's your point? Or do you just want to talk about MA?

Wolverine still doesn't fights to his full potential and needs to refresh his skills from time to time. At least that's how he is portrayed.
Except of this, if you are as good as Wolverine you won't improve on skilles opponents.

Yes, but they were still portrayed like an Superpower. With some Alien MA techs he could stop an earthquake, with a kick!

I think you comparison is somewhat off. Take two full time dedicate fighters one self trained one with all the MA knowledge in the World. Both will be equals though i still would give the one with the MA the slight edge. MA aren't that important but they are knowledge your opponent might not know and give you some advantage, as small as it may be.

And are explained as him training them with no super powers.
I realize, although I wouldn't give the MA fighter with broad knowledge a slight edge over a self trained fighter... hell, even an MMA fighter with vast experience who starts self training himself after a while will lose to full time dedicates (example, 'Mach' losing to Gono and Marius).
Right. And he hasn't trained as long, or had as much experience as WW.

One dimensional sounds hard. I think MAA are kind of overrated, they seem to think they are like a "real" fight, unlike Boxing or K1 but they still have rules :/. They are closer, yes but still not close enough.
You know some Names, I should be impressed 😉 but the Karate Master just faced an Bully in the Cage Fight, and the Chin grows harder with each fight, look at Thanos, the Karateka just lacked the real experience.

IMHO yes. In comics the people tend to have Superstrength etc. They treat it differently. An Physically superior opponent will sometimes have a hard time fighting an comic MA fighter. When two MA fight they are often shown as physical equals and if one is known for his superior MA he will most likely win the fight. You know comics are opinions ( Déjà-vu) and you would write them differently then me. The writers have different views on the effectiveness of MA.

You are the russian then, I guess? 😄

Yes he is, still better then the Bully. And his chin was never in danger. We agree on the rest if you reread my post.

Long posts...

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Blanket? What's your point? Or do you just want to talk about MA?

Wolverine still doesn't fights to his full potential and needs to refresh his skills from time to time. At least that's how he is portrayed.
Except of this, if you are as good as Wolverine you won't improve on skilles opponents.

Yes, but they were still portrayed like an Superpower. With some Alien MA techs he could stop an earthquake, with a kick!

I think you comparison is somewhat off. Take two full time dedicate fighters one self trained one with all the MA knowledge in the World. Both will be equals though i still would give the one with the MA the slight edge. MA aren't that important but they are knowledge your opponent might not know and give you some advantage, as small as it may be.

And are explained as him training them with no super powers.
I realize, although I wouldn't give the MA fighter with broad knowledge a slight edge over a self trained fighter... hell, even an MMA fighter with vast experience who starts self training himself after a while will lose to full time dedicates (example, 'Mach' losing to Gono and Marius).
Right. And he hasn't trained as long, or had as much experience as WW.

One dimensional sounds hard. I think MAA are kind of overrated, they seem to think they are like a "real" fight, unlike Boxing or K1 but they still have rules :/. They are closer, yes but still not close enough.
You know some Names, I should be impressed 😉 but the Karate Master just faced an Bully in the Cage Fight, and the Chin grows harder with each fight, look at Thanos, the Karateka just lacked the real experience.

IMHO yes. In comics the people tend to have Superstrength etc. They treat it differently. An Physically superior opponent will sometimes have a hard time fighting an comic MA fighter. When two MA fight they are often shown as physical equals and if one is known for his superior MA he will most likely win the fight. You know comics are opinions ( Déjà-vu) and you would write them differently then me. The writers have different views on the effectiveness of MA.

You are the russian then, I guess? 😄

Yes he is, still better then the Bully. And his chin was never in danger. We agree on the rest if you reread my post.

Because he toys with most people, or holds back. He doesn't need to refresh his skills, only when he gets his ass beaten. The only reason Wolverine seems to decline, is not because of lack of training or fighting, it's because he solely relies on his claws.
Right, that's not all he fights.

Skilled kicks, not superpowers. You can say they're superpowers, but in comics, they are just skillful techniques.

No. Not even close. Self-trained fighters don't have people critiquing everything they're doing wrong. They don't have people fine tuning their skills. They don't have sparring partners. Etc. They don't have the experience of... wait, self trained fighters don't even exist anymore, since they all upgrade to training at gyms... Unless you're implying that street fighters will have a slight disadvantage against MMA fighters...
I don't think you understand anything about MA, tbh. If you're implying that MA gives you a small advantage, then you need to watch UFC 1, or even read the comics you're referring to. Nothing more needs to be said about that.

But he's trained longer than Marius, and Gono (iirc).
No one on our Earth has trained as long as half the people in comics, that's irrelevant though.

K. But you're using examples from MMA fights, so I don't understand the need now to coment on the rules.
However, if you want to see the closest thing to a real fight, watch Wanderlei stomp all over people's faces in Pride, in a skillful yet brutal fashion.

Be impressed, doesn't matter to me.
Anyway, link as you seem to be indicating that it happened in Bully Beatdown.

And no the chin doesn't grow harder. The chin doesn't calcate like your shins or knuckles, the chin grows weaker. Example from real life, look at Big Nog.

k.

K.

I'm just saying that Denny is not that good.

K, we agree on the rest if I reread your post.

Also to the definition of 'brawling' that Q99 gave me earlier.
"Box a brawler, brawl a boxer"
Chris Leben

This goes with my original meaning that I gave for brawling, but whatever I guess...

I don't know what you think a brawler is, but i already gave you my definition and I'm not sure how much of an excuse your factor of the chin is but as said, someone who isn't an trained MA but who has fought his entire life real fights, who has learned and tought himself how to fight will beat most if not all MA master who just honed their skills in non-serious sparring matches and in their gym.
Factoring Superman's brawling and leaving out everything WW has done and experienced herselve, then yes. You do not listen, WW has everything Supes has and more (skill experience).

He doesn't needs to refresh his skills, only when he gets his ass beaten. Concession accepted.

As said before "In comics MA are portrayed often like Superpowers"
With MA you can beat 20 people (often also skilled fighters like Ninjas), in RL impossible. And those techniques of KK are from alien worlds and they did stuff in the pc that are insane.

MAA are overrated :/. You opinion might differ but you seem to watch and read without thinking yourself, you shouldn't believe everything you hear. Yes I watch UFC from time to time and to be honest, it's not nearly as entertaining as K1, and kind of overrated. It's not close to real fighting as you think as long as there are rules.
I agree, everything was already said, it will end in circular "arguments".
And again Comics MA =/= RL MA.

The need to comment on the Rules comes from the fact that a "brawler" (self trained fighter, street fighter etc.) is someone who fights real fights, without rules.

If I wanted to see real fighting I would have to go where war is...

The more you fight the tougher you get.

K.

K.

So out of curiosity, since you are such an MA expert yourself 😐. Do you train ? Have you fought someone in RL?

I would also like to see your list to the topic.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't know what you think a brawler is, but i already gave you my definition and I'm not sure how much of an excuse your factor of the chin is but as said, someone who isn't an trained MA but who has fought his entire life real fights, who has learned and tought himself how to fight will beat most if not all MA master who just honed their skills in non-serious sparring matches and in their gym.
Factoring Superman's brawling and leaving out everything WW has done and experienced herselve, then yes. You do not listen, WW has everything Supes has and more (skill experience).

He doesn't needs to refresh his skills, only when he gets his ass beaten. Concession accepted.

As said before "In comics MA are portrayed often like Superpowers"
With MA you can beat 20 people (often also skilled fighters like Ninjas), in RL impossible. And those techniques of KK are from alien worlds and they did stuff in the pc that are insane.

MAA are overrated :/. You opinion might differ but you seem to watch and read without thinking yourself, you shouldn't believe everything you hear. Yes I watch UFC from time to time and to be honest, it's not nearly as entertaining as K1, and kind of overrated. It's not close to real fighting as you think as long as there are rules.
I agree, everything was already said, it will end in a circular "arguments".
And again Comics MA =/= RL MA.

The need to comment on the Rules comes from the fact that a "brawler" (self trained fighter, street fighter etc.) is someone who fights real fights, without rules.

If I wanted to see real fighting I would have to go where war is...

The more you fight the tougher you get.

K.

K.

So out of curiosity, since you are such an MA expert yourself 😐. Do you train ? Have you fought someone in RL?

But you yourself are leaving out everything WW has ever done in favour of her 'training' and 'experience'. You never brought up how skillful she is, you only brought up how long she's been doing 'stuff'.
Either way, if you haven't noticed, I've been signing myself on to your line of logic the whole time we've been talking about this. If I do not listen, it's simply because your line of logic has a loophole against it.

Bad choice of words I admit. What I meant to say was that when he gets his ass beaten, that is when he goes through the phase of learning everything he's ever learned and more. Example is the recent Shang Chi training.

I realize what you said. However, if you want to make a parallel between comics and the real world, then you can't simply say they are like super powers after already making the example. In comics, they aren't superpowers. Portrayal and what things are is something else entirely.

Um, all I do is read and think when I'm looking at something. What you seem to be doing is exactly what you said I'm doing.
Anyway, entertainment has nothing to do with things being overrated. Fact is, I love K-1/kickboxing too, but I also wasn't talking about UFC being a real fight either. It's close, but I was comparing old school pride, and now Vale Tudo to real fights, as they have less rules, and less restrictions (Vale Tudo was everything), and even then, the most skilled person (Wanderlei) came out of top in everyone of those fights (except one where he split his head open headbutting that he was dominating). Against tough guys, and against lesser skilled people.
BTW, I don't understand the need to bring real life up when you're going to 'trash' the closest thing we have to visual evidence of a natural fight. 😬
Then why bring up real life?

Right, rules, no rules. TBH, I'm a little thrown by what you're trying to get at here. Is it that a street fighter is harder than an MMA fighter, because yeah yeah yeah, he's so hard?
If you honestly suscribe that a street fighter would be a matchup for an MMA fighter on the street, then uh dunno. Your point is laughable to a point where I wish I could copy and paste it.

Right. War. Only real fighting. Refresh me on why real life was brought up again if we're going to discredit everything now apparently that isn't war? BTW, war has rules. Those bitches. No chemical warfare? Jeeze, why don't they just sow up their vaginas now?

And the more you get hit in the face, the weaker your chin gets...
Seriously, I should have just stopped at the 'MAA is overated' section.

I never fancied myself anything. You're the one who fancies themselves an expert in all the aspects of what will work, what is entertainment, and what is overrated.
Now I do.
Not in a ring.

Question since I've seen you bring up K-1 twice now:
Do you think a street fighter can beat a kickboxer like Badr Hari, or Remy Bonjasky in a K-1 fight?

LMAO at the sight of Blanket debating

Originally posted by xJLxKing
LMAO at the sight of Blanket debating

Also, Batman-Prime (don't want to edit, since you won't see it); what was the point of bringing up Thomas Denny on Bully Beatdown when they have even more rules than MMA, if you're going to turn around and discredit the rules in MMA?

So what you think I though is wrong, ok.
Ask all those Black Belts out there.

It's about fighting skills. I just noted that an MA Style isn't the most important thing to become a skilled fighter, it isn't even one of the most important things. Either you are misinterpreting me or I'm not clear enough.

Bad choice of words, yes I'm familiar with this, I also have a hard time explain what I mean...
And he relearns what he has "forgotten". We agree after all i guess.

"Portrayal and what things are is something else entirely." I agree.

Ok, that's my fault, when I started to talk about MMA I thought about UFC. MMA aren't only restricted to UFC.
The Cage Fight i saw, and you might be right with those 15 years, was quite close.
RL is an reference comics use. But it seems we talk past each other, so let's keep it simple.
Experience(real fighting) > MA (Style + Training)
MA Fighter (with a lot real fighting experience) >= Brawler (with a lot fighting experience)

Street Fighter = someone who ocassionally brawls with people? I think that's what you are thinking. Yes someone like this has no chance against an experience MMA fighter. Because the MMA fighter has way more experience.
What I try to get at here is, if you would fight you entire life, fighting for your life, surviving and learning (fcition you know) how to kill, you would develop your own style if you wish to call it so and then you would probably be harder then an MMA Fighter and trash said fighter even though he has leaner MA skills.
Not discredit, become more clear and put it all in relation to each other.
Yeah, war has rules... I bet everyone follows those rules yesdur

Once the healing process... oh forget it...😛
Yes you should. UFC is overrated. MAA is helpful, better?

No I just gave my opinion. You questioned my opinion and it seemed like you wanted to imply that your opinion > mine. :/ So i wanted to know why you think this.
What MA are you learning?
So you fought on the street? In school? Who won? Is this the reason you started to train?

A Street Fighter? No, I doubt there is an street fighter these days who has as much experience as Remy. Most people who fight on the street learn that our civilization doesn't approve violence... 😐

Question: Do you think an Black Belt who just sparred in his Gym and perfected his technique, would beat someone who has never learned an MA but who has faught his entire life and killed a lot of people with his bare hands?