keep it on topic, guys.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
In fairness you are saying that he is more skilled than her and you aren't making it sound like it's close.Her lack of showings against highly skilled martial artists is a bit deceiving. She is too powerful to be operating on their level normally. You aren't going to see her fighting a Shiva or a Cassandra Cain because it would take some plot device to make that fight even happen. You do, however, have numerous examples of other characters and she herself telling you about her training and expertise. You may not like that the information is provided in this manner, but you cannot deny it.
I also don't really see where your Thor comparisons come into play because she is more skilled than him.
The only advantage Rogers would have against her in this setting would be physical and if the point of the thread is to see how she fairs skill vs skill, I would assume that we would allow her to maintain her Amazon physical traits to make the fight fair. I'm not saying he can't beat her, but he doesn't stop her cold.
If you want to depower her to a level where he has a significant physical advantage over her, then sure she'll lose. That defeats the whole purpose of the thread however.
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and no, i'm not laughing at you. just at something you said that amused me.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah training WITH someone is different from actually instructing them.
And to PR, also: Actually, that is exactly what was happening -- Diana was using captured super-criminals as "dummies" to spar with (for keeping her own skills sharp), but just as importantly to try to teach them discipline and reflection, in hopes of rehabilitating them. Didn't really work, of course, but that's the sort of thing she'd do, so the scene actually made a lot of sense...
Originally posted by tideoftime
And to PR, also: Actually, that is exactly what was happening -- Diana was using captured super-criminals as "dummies" to spar with (for keeping her own skills sharp), but just as importantly to try to teach them discipline and reflection, in hopes of rehabilitating them. Didn't really work, of course, but that's the sort of thing she'd do, so the scene actually made a lot of sense...
That may be, but what the scene shows is that they were giving her advice on how to fight in exchange for time reduction and privilleges. I did not read that whole comic, but clearly in those panels, if anyone was schooling the other, it was shiva teaching ww how to use the lasso mid-battle to get her opponents to cough up moves.
Originally posted by 753
That may be, but what the scene shows is that they were giving her advice on how to fight in exchange for time reduction and privilleges. I did not read that whole comic, but clearly in those panels, if anyone was schooling the other, it was shiva teaching ww how to use the lasso mid-battle to get her opponents to cough up moves.
The poster should have included the following pages, where it's quite clear who's doing the schooling (Diana showed well against them all, and was clearly the most skilled...). Now, of course, every character has *some* aspect of skill, or combat insight, that may not be had by another, and Diana was looking for such insight. But they were definitely the ones who got the better end of the deal in that story.
Originally posted by tideoftime
And to PR, also: Actually, that is exactly what was happening -- Diana was using captured super-criminals as "dummies" to spar with (for keeping her own skills sharp), but just as importantly to try to teach them discipline and reflection, in hopes of rehabilitating them. Didn't really work, of course, but that's the sort of thing she'd do, so the scene actually made a lot of sense...
i would have replied, but:
Originally posted by 753
That may be, but what the scene shows is that they were giving her advice on how to fight in exchange for time reduction and privilleges. I did not read that whole comic, but clearly in those panels, if anyone was schooling the other, it was shiva teaching ww how to use the lasso mid-battle to get her opponents to cough up moves.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
In fairness you are saying that he is more skilled than her and you aren't making it sound like it's close.
He is more skilled than her. I'm sorry?
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Her lack of showings against highly skilled martial artists is a bit deceiving. She is too powerful to be operating on their level normally. You aren't going to see her fighting a Shiva or a Cassandra Cain because it would take some plot device to make that fight even happen. You do, however, have numerous examples of other characters and she herself telling you about her training and expertise. You may not like that the information is provided in this manner, but you cannot deny it.
I know it isn't truly fair, because you aren't going to see beings as this powerful fight down on those levels regularly, but that's how we judge a person's hand to hand abilities most of the time. How they fair against other high end skilled opponents. It's pretty clear shes at the top of the food chain in her tier in terms of hand to hand skills, but few are actually skilled in her tier. That is even specifically pointed out in her recent issue. Most of these super strong characters, rely on their brute strength alone so once she kicks it up a notch, it's pretty damn easy to outmaneuver a great deal of them.
Words. They are what give me the benefit of the doubt about her in the first place, but at the end of the day, they are simply words. Thor has plenty of times when his expertise as at the art of war, is praised. These claims and praises are what by default put her on such a high pedestal from the get go, but more is needed before I could imagine she'd be beating Captain America himself in this situation. Thor for example was fairing just as well if not better in a depowered form against the Zodiac soldiers as a result of his hand to hand skills. It's one of his best showings, but that showing alone doesn't mean I'd think Thor is beating Captain America even though that's as a direct a comparison as we are likely to get. It might suggest Thor's on Captain America's level but that's about it. And I love Thor.
I'm not.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I also don't really see where your Thor comparisons come into play because she is more skilled than him.
Prove to me shes more skilled than Thor.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
The only advantage Rogers would have against her in this setting would be physical and if the point of the thread is to see how she fairs skill vs skill, I would assume that we would allow her to maintain her Amazon physical traits to make the fight fair. I'm not saying he can't beat her, but he doesn't stop her cold.
If you read the opening post it said she gets a physic between olympic level and peak human level. She doesn't keep her Amazon traits here.
He pretty much does.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
If you want to depower her to a level where he has a significant physical advantage over her, then sure she'll lose. That defeats the whole purpose of the thread however.
I'm just going by the level the thread starter gave her.
