Rage.Of.Olympus
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Originally posted by Sasaraixx
No Rage, I think you need to go back and re-read our conversations. You began by bringing up Thor (as you always do). The only reason you would mention Thor, I assume, is because you believe him to be of a skill level equal to Diana (which you also indicated in another thread). If you were not asserting this, then it makes absolutely no sense for you to reference Thor at all. And in your most recent post, you've once again claimed them equal in skill. So far the second time, no the burden of proof is not on me as I am not the one who dragged Thor into this discussion to begin with. You asserted a claim by drawing a parallel with Thor - one that I disagreed with. And it does sound nice for you to say "prove it" when you are equally incapable of proving the contrary. And I think that the info that has already been provided in this thread honestly is enough to do that alone.
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I brought up Thor because he is probably the best comparison I could use. I never said that his as skilled as or more skilled than Diana in our discussion, but I do know and claim that his on her level/tier in terms of skill as I would have had to have that opinion since I used him as a comparison. I could have used Orion or Hercules, but they have much less appearances than these two, and in turn are more than likely to have fewer feats than Diana. At the very least in regards to being in a depowered state.
Do I have to quote our posts again? You said that she is more skilled. I asked you to prove to me that she is. You told me to prove she isn’t. That was what happened. And I just proved it. What exactly are you having trouble understanding?
I used Thor as he was simply in her tier physically and on her skill level. I could have used Orion, but I’m not as familiar with him. No doubt, I have claimed he is as skilled in other threads but I never gave my opinion as to whether I think he is as skilled, more skilled or less skilled than her in this thread and more specifically this discussion. All I made evident was that I think they are on the same level/tier in terms of skill. Again, the burden to prove anything falls onto you as you are the one who first made claims as to who was more skilled than who.
Haha what? Not any actual showings of skill have been posted for Diana as far as I can tell. All you’ve done is tell me how great Batman thinks she is. Batman complemented her on her abilities as a warrior? That’s great but who the hell cares? Captain America said Thor has unparalleled strength among the Avengers. I’m not going to use that as any evidence and Hulk would have some words with that. Honestly, the idea of using claims as factual evidence is just a sign that actual showings are lacking or you’d be posting them which is all I’ve been asking people to do and I doubt anyone is actually going to post something I have not seen in the past.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
And please don't try to dumb down what I said, when you are the one who attempted and failed to offer evidence. Captain America saying Thor is a great warrior or the best warrior in Asgard is nothing at all like Batman saying that Wonder Woman is the best melee fighter in the world (a direct comment on skill) or DC claiming that she is the greatest warrior in the DCU. If you think it's so silly, then you shouldn't have commented. Unfortunately, you did, however, and I merely pointed out that the comments you listed were not as impressive. Sorry kiddo.
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Thor being called an expert combatant, someone who has trained in the art of war over hundreds of years by Captain America, being called Asgard’s greatest fighter or most efficient killer is not a comment on his fighting prowess or skill? Thor’s fighting prowess is legendary. Moondragon even says so during the Infinity Crusade.
DC? I’m not sure what you mean by that, but marvel has always acknowledged Thor’s skills. I don’t think I’ve ever done this, but since you seem to be so hung up on claims, Thor’s bio says and I quote,“He is trained in the arts of war, being a superbly skilled warrior, highly proficient in hand to hand combat, swordsmanship, and hammer throwing.”.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
And again, there really isn't much I can say to you if the comments made by other characters in addition to her origins and statements made by DC all coupled with the feats of skill that we have seen are not enough to satisfy you. I don't particularly care 🙂
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Sorry but it’s actual hard not to laugh at this at the very least a bit.
Statements, comments and if origins is what I think it is, then that’s also amusing.
She’s a warrior born on Themyscira, who trained and strives to hone her abilities in the ways of combat through hard work and everybody considers her to be an excellent combatant. Great. That takes her only so far before actual feats need to be posted, and this is it. You need something more solidifying for me to consider her being as skilled as Steve mother****ing Rogers. Now if you’d actually post some feats of skill instead of telling me how great everyone thinks she is, then maybe we’d be getting somewhere. The problem is that I doubt anyone will actually post anything I haven’t seen and taken into account in my opinion. Diana being as strong as she is despite her skill simply cannot factually have feats on par with what’s needed to prove she’s on par or superior to Rogers. Especially since the best way to judge someone’s martial art skills is based on how well they do against other established hand to hand fighters. Kazar and Mr. X are examples I used that fit well here. Her sparring match against Black Canary is probably her greatest skill feat I’ve seen in a while, but she had her powers at the time as I recall, and it was a sparring match like I said. It's not really fair to beings like Diana, and Thor but whatever...
Let me give you an example of what I mean if it helps in terms of evidence.
We’re arguing who’s more skilled, Thor or Diana as a scenario. I say: A depowered Thor uses his fighting skills and abilities to beat the utter shit out of Grog the God Crusher.
I’d then go on to say, “Post something from Diana that shows combat efficiency so great, it allows her to overcome such physical disadvantages. Grog would literally be multiple times stronger than Thor in this situation.” And just to note, all those green cobra henchmen that Thor's plowing through are around Class 30 I believe as the average male Heliopolitan god is at that level.
You'd then go on to post something in regards to Diana. That's one way to establish how skilled characters are. But of course the best way like I said, is how they do against other proficient hand to hand fighters in combat, but I doubt any beings as strong as Diana or Thor have those kind of showings.
