Ganondorf Vs Azeroth

I've never seen someone so ignorant and clearly biased in my entire life. Congratulations.

While I could Just leave your post there to make you look foolish on it's own, I think I'll add insult to injury by tearing it apart.

Canonically hes had few things actually hit him, so whether or not he can be killed by something else, saying their the only things that can kill him is a no limit fallacy.

Nah, MS is not powerful, its a sword/key, thats all.

1. Link without MS or light arrows, hell even with them hes technically weaker. he was a respected adviser with the ear of the king, and as Scenario said, he could control the army. hordes of daft monsters who prob shove themselves into a fight, if these Gerudo are skilled thieves a few of them shield be able to stealth him.

Lol stealth him? Ignoring the fact that Link consistently defeats invisible enemies, can detect the perfectly silent sheik in a cutscene without her saying anything, and as Neme said, consistently fights of monsters more powerful than they are?

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Who is not as powerful as Ganon? I know it is hard to read for you BT, you should prolly work on that before posting on the forums. Link needs only his sword to kill most creatures in the game. He was an advisor. He could not muster an army. The Gerudos? A bunch of skinny desert women kill Link, when hordes of monsters could not? GTFO.

2. When has Ganondorf been wounded by any weapon other than the MS? the only other one that I have seen is the light sword the sages used and that pierced through him.

Paladins have a vast amount of holy powers, armour, and weaponry as well as training

Names and titles lol

a few weak monsters that a child can beat.

The monsters are clearly not weak. Gohma, first boss in WW, swims in lava and can lift a chunk of rock which could be conservatively called "huge" and smash it into the ceiling of her chamber without apparent effort. Being a child doesn't make you weak.

3. Link has no reason to be any more wise than any child, or skilled for that matter, the fact he surpasses it is just as likely a reason for them being weak, more so than him being strong since apart from all his items hes not had any special powers granted him.

He clearly is better than any child. Feel like telling the game it's not canon again? haermm

1. Certainly if it meant I cannot be stopped if he cannot get said item, get to said NPC to be told about another secret etc etc, without the light/silver arrows Link is hopeless, without the MS hes hopeless, without all the sages, Zelda, and the knowledge he gains from his various side kicks he would not have got as far. "numerous" probably meaning a few in each room?

G.J. Now Link, the one man army, has every single piece of equipment, magic, and amp, minus 1 last item.. Good luck stopping him from getting it. 😆
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He killed a guy so hes not a child? physically and mentally hes shown to be a child, unless you have legit cinematics to prove he is somehow a genius and is innately physically powerful.

2. Your assuming the Moblin is as strong as it looks yet you take no time is wondering if Link is actually as weak as he looks and the Moblin is the one who is actually weaker than he looks. Your argument is pretty much "link is small but powerful" but the Moblin is big, therefore a normal child could not beat it. From canon, we know Links not that much more (if not less so) intelligent or strong than a child.

3. I do know this, that does not mean the traps are advanced or the monsters are powerful. Your proof is apprently just the opposite of my proof, my proof is based on facts however not assumption. Links a child, fact, the puzzles are beaten therefore the puzzles and monsters are pathetic. Then you have to throw in the opposite only yours is an assumption, your assuming Link is somehow superhuman and mentally masterful because he can do them.

You totally ignored the part where super-strong living rocks can't defend themselves from Ganon and his minions, and Link can, for example.

4. pff not powerful enough, their just pathetic and do not finish the job, Zant for example, Agahim (possessed by Ganon no less) and all these beasts Ganon unleashes.

You know how serious the LK would be taken if a child defeated all his minions and reached him in Icecrown? not at all, the armies of the Horde and alliance would have laughed about him, which is what they will prob do when they find Ganon getting beaten by the local children wherever he decides to setup.

These items you realise are fairly featless? thats like me saying a Warcraft level 1 character can beat Ganon because they can get magic items and armour from the beginning of the game

Also, standard magic equipment is nowhere close to on the level of the weapons needed to fight Ganon.

Originally posted by Utrigita
That wouldn't help him win.

Not in the long-term, no. It would be only a matter of time before KJ turned on him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've never seen someone so ignorant and clearly biased in my entire life. Congratulations.

While I could Just leave your post there to make you look foolish on it's own, I think I'll add insult to injury by tearing it apart.

1. Midna.
2. I see no no-limit fallacy, you're straw manning. GJ.

I get to do two things here:
1. Tell you to prove your assertion. (You can't.)
2. Tell you you're wrong. Something that wasn't powerful wouldn't be able to pin down the triforce of power, freezing all of Ganon's minions in time, reflect magic lightning, or stop Ganon's island busting power.
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Lol stealth him? Ignoring the fact that Link consistently defeats invisible enemies, can detect the perfectly silent sheik in a cutscene without her saying anything, and as Neme said, consistently fights of monsters more powerful than they are?

This happened before he got the ToP, as has already been mentioned.
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1. Kool. Link is much stronger and more skilled than a paladin, stuck the master sword in Ganon's face, and Ganon wasn't killed. This occured in a cutscene. link-rape
2. You'd need to prove the magic weapons and powers of the paladins are powerful enough to be effective. You won't though, you'll just try to downplay Zelda in any way you can, like you always do.

...No. This doesn't make any sense in any context that could possibly be replying to the point you're indicating it to be replying to. That's not surprising though, your arguments are typicly garbage.

Titles, lol.

The monsters are clearly not weak. Gohma, first boss in WW, swims in lava and can lift a chunk of rock which could be conservatively called "huge" and smash it into the ceiling of her chamber without apparent effort. Being a child doesn't make you weak.

He clearly is better than any child. Feel like telling the game it's not canon again? haermm

G.J. Now Link, the one man army, has every single piece of equipment, magic, and amp, minus 1 last item.. Good luck stopping him from getting it. 😆
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Play a Zelda game, nothing he does, ever, could be done by a child.

LOLWUT.
Please, PLEASE prove this. 😆 I dare you to try.
Link is clearly very bright. In TP for example, he single handedly uncovers the ancient Oocca and sky city, which no one had been able to find out anythign about for centuries.

Big difference: Neme's proof makes sense within the context of Zelda canon.

You totally ignored the part where super-strong living rocks can't defend themselves from Ganon and his minions, and Link can, for example.

This is incredibly facepalm worthy.
Zant did "finish" the job. He essentially killed Midna and locked Link into a form where he could not fight Zant or Ganon. They had no way of foreseeing, or even knowing about the existance of the master sword.

The Lich King is fortunate he doesn't have to deal with Link.
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You didn't actually make any argument here, just trolled and baited.

They have more feats than a lot of characters, actually, nice failure. You ignore them though.

Also, standard magic equipment is nowhere close to on the level of the weapons needed to fight Ganon.

You couldnt tear any argument apart.

1. Who was never hitting him, GJ
2. That Ganon is immune to anything outside of the MS and light arrows, its also wrong, Link has to fight him without them in OoT

1. I dont have to prove a negative, I can claim a negative but I dont have to prove it, you need to make my negative (MS is not powerful) to a positive (MS is based on etc feats) youve failed to do so.
2. None of the legit feats you listed are powerful. The rest are lies

Thats not stealth, and Link detected Shiek and turned a long while later. Assuming Gerudos are at least human level of strength/speed and are worthy thieves (should be if their culture is based on it) then they could toss something through his neck with ease.

Hes not been hit by anything since then so making the assertion that he can not be pierced is wrong, this is where I am correct in asking you to prove this.

1. Stronger? hes a child.....unless he is using the GG and skilled? once again, hes not had the life of training a Paladin would have.
2. I dont have to prove this when Ganon has no durability feats, certainl against holy weapons. So far we just see him getting sliced quite easily by the MS or the holy sword.

let me guess ,its slow or has a major weakness that diddly link is quick enough to hit?

He is a child physically and from lack of canon evidence mentally as well.

Neme has no proof, he uses assumption, I am the only one with proof the difference is your bias towards what parts of the canon you want to belive and then you add your own fanon to strengthen the weak piecies that hold up your nonsense.

You didnt counter me at all, they did not finish the job, plain and simple.

Yes...right, your version of link...

The equipment link uses is pretty standard, arrows of silver>Ganon with the most powerful object in LoZ....

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Ganondorf convinces every guild, city and institutional government that he (or his subordinate) is the answer to all of their problems. Within 10 years, all political power is handed to him with little to no physical persuasive action.

Heck, Ganondorf has the ambition, sob story, and power to convince any nation to get under his dominance or be exterminated.

Would work, if the factions, institutions and guilds were his problem. It is specific individuals he should fear, and the greatest of orders, he can not touch with manipulation.

You couldnt tear any argument apart.

Your entire post is just reposted points that've already been disproven or are just outright fallacious crap.

I have no further reason to respond to you, BT. Your argument was bad. I already killed it and did some pretty illegal things to it's corpse. I'll just leave it there.

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Ganondorf is a pretty cool guy. He's evil and powerful and doesn't afraid of anything.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I can, and did.

Your entire post is just reposted points that've already been disproven or are just outright fallacious crap.

I have no further reason to respond to you, BT. Your argument was bad. I already killed it and did some pretty illegal things to it's corpse. I'll just leave it there.

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Denile as usual, go and copout Screamo, I will wait for a debator to argue this thread in due time and let the trolls flee back to their fanon.

Now, to reply to someone I like. This'll be a nice change.

Until Azeroth realize the magnitude of the threat, Ganondorf will burn a lot in his path. Once his power is comprehended, the reborn Council of Tirisfal will once again put out their new Guardian and Ganondorf should be banished after the fight of his life.

I'm actually quite interested in how a battle between an Atiesh armed guardian and co. and Ganon would play out. That'd be a whole new thread though.

I dont think Ganon will be able to do much in private, he will just be ignored by the powers that can observe him but several entities from wizards to demons have forseen events before they happen or observed beyond their physical sight.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Now, to reply to someone I like. This'll be a nice change.

I'm actually quite interested in how a battle between an Atiesh armed guardian and co. and Ganon would play out. That'd be a whole new thread though.

Cho'gall in a sense was protected by the Gods, not very differently from how Ganondorf is, if I understood it right. It would not be overly surprising if a battle between a fully armed Med'an and Ganondorf would be the createst challenge Ganondorf ever has had.

Sure, Link beat him time and time again, but only thanks to the Master Sword. Here is a guy that can challenge him in terms of power.

Cho'gall in a sense was protected by the Gods, not very differently from how Ganondorf is, if I understood it right. It would not be overly surprising if a battle between a fully armed Med'an and Ganondorf would be the createst challenge Ganondorf ever has had.

Also, do you think they(the organisation as a whole) could rival Ganon's own by the time he was entrenched?

I really need to read more on this. mmm

Sure, Link beat him time and time again, but only thanks to the Master Sword. Here is a guy that can challenge him in terms of power.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This has piqued my interest. Would Cho'gall be the current guardian, or would the current guardian be equivelantly powerful?

Also, do you think they(the organisation as a whole) could rival Ganon's own by the time he was entrenched?

I really need to read more on this. mmm

Link is still awesome!

Cho'gall was the villain. Med'an was the Guardian that fought him. Med'an has been directly transfered the remaining essence of Medivh's power, and he is the "child of the three realms". Med'an is potentially the most powerful Guardian ever and he has Atiesh.

The Council of Tirisfal has one significant advantage over Ganondorf. Through their pocket dimension, they can manage quite a lot. Track down individuals, cast magic and empower Med'an further.

Cho'gall was the villain. Med'an was the Guardian that fought him. Med'an has been directly transfered the remaining essence of Medivh's power, and he is the "child of the three realms". Med'an is potentially the most powerful Guardian ever.

The Council of Tirisfal has one significant advantage over Ganondorf. Through their pocket dimension, they can manage quite a lot. Track down individuals, cast magic and empower Med'an further.

Hard to say how protected it is. A very powerful demon invaded it, but only pulled it of by possessing Meryl and with his powers followed the link between Med'an and the Council that at the time empowered him. Because they channeled a spell, it was a simple task for the demon through the usage of Meryl to in spirit invade the realm.

They managed to close him out again, though, but he was close to absorbing their powers.

Well, Ganon along with having no respect for dimensional boundaries, has the ability to possess people. I don't think that given ten years to observe and plan the council could catch him off guard. If he struck the first blow, he would have the advantage of surprise, weakening a key threat. If they fight him off or kick him out, he's still done some damage, and he may be able to force the lock again another time.

The large amount of preperation time given to him here is very valuable, I think. It gives Ganon the chance to choose the terms on which he fights.

The main problem is that Phantom Miria said that Ganondorf only has access to common knowledge. The Council of Tirisfal is a secret organization. I am sure that ten years give him lots of chances to find ways to sneak past the restriction of information, but even if he was able to trick the system, only a dozen in the world know about Med'an and the council. Chances are slim that he learn anything about them.

True. mmm

BT, your hate for The Legend f Zelda seems really unfounded. And your debating style is strange. Instead of attempting to build Azeroth up, you're attempting to break Ganondorf down. could soomebody at least try saying Azeroth is strong instead of saying Ganondorf is weak?

Anyway,

1. Who was never hitting him, GJ
2. That Ganon is immune to anything outside of the MS and light arrows, its also wrong, Link has to fight him without them in OoT

Midna was quite clearly striking with her Trident, and then the castle exploded. Plus, he was attacked by Valoo and came out unharmed. If you want to say the attacks missed, you must prove it. The intention is supposed to be clear, and making the assumption that it is more complicated is a violation of Occam's Razor.

"The simplest explanation is usually the correct one." We see Ganondorf's giant floating head look up and growl. We then see Midna strike downward in the direction of Gannondorfs head. Then the castle explodes.

So based on the above, [sarcasm]obviously Ganondorf dodged the attack, despite being litle more than a head, and then fired a blast from his non existent hands, which destroyed the castle. [/sarcasm] That is a huge leap of logic, and is contrary to every intention the scene is supposed to convey. It is much simpler to assume that the attack connected and destroyed the castle, but Ganondorf survived due to his previously stated invulnerability.

Both are assumptions. The only difference is that one is stupid and overly complicated, and the other fits in the context of the games.

Further, when Link fight Ganon without the Master Sword, he has at least 2 sacred weapons left: the Light Arrows and the Megaton Hammer. Both are able to damage him, but there isn't a canon way he fought Ganon. Besides, Ganon could not be defeated until Zelda held him in place and allowed Link to perform the Coup de Gras with he Master Sword.

1. I dont have to prove a negative, I can claim a negative but I dont have to prove it, you need to make my negative (MS is not powerful) to a positive (MS is based on etc feats) youve failed to do so.
2. None of the legit feats you listed are powerful. The rest are lies

You must prove it if you made the claim. Here, the claim is that the Master Sword is not powerful. You should use evidence of the Master Sword failing to do something. You are currently asking to be proven wrong, a violation of the Burden of Proof. Any claim, positive or negative, must be proven with supporting evidence.

There are statements from manuals that explicitly say it can repulse any evil, even that born of misuse of the Triforce. Given that the Triforce can grant wishes, this is powerful. It is stated to destroy evil, which is its primary purpose. Also relatively powerful. It has been shown breaking curses, breaking barriers, and breaking faces. And it reflects magic. It is often the most powerful sword in whatever game it appears in.

Thats not stealth, and Link detected Shiek and turned a long while later. Assuming Gerudos are at least human level of strength/speed and are worthy thieves (should be if their culture is based on it) then they could toss something through his neck with ease.

Hes not been hit by anything since then so making the assertion that he can not be pierced is wrong, this is where I am correct in asking you to prove this.

You are aware that the Gerudo phase of the game requires Link to sneak past them? Link, in canon, outstealthed a tribe of theives.

1. Stronger? hes a child.....unless he is using the GG and skilled? once again, hes not had the life of training a Paladin would have.
2. I dont have to prove this when Ganon has no durability feats, certainl against holy weapons. So far we just see him getting sliced quite easily by the MS or the holy sword.

You're assuming that things are weak because a child can do them, rather than assuming the child is strong because he can do them. Link is repeatedly stated and proven to be more than a normal child, especially when he succeeds where adults fail. See: Link's uncle killed trying to save Zelda from Aganhim. He was a former Knight of Hyrule, and recieved the same telepathic message Link did. Or Darunia, the Goron Chief, failing to defeat Volvagia.

He is a child physically and from lack of canon evidence mentally as well.

Neme has no proof, he uses assumption, I am the only one with proof the difference is your bias towards what parts of the canon you want to belive and then you add your own fanon to strengthen the weak piecies that hold up your nonsense.

There is proof: Child Link did the things he did. Adults could not do these things. In what world would this make Link weak?

The equipment link uses is pretty standard, arrows of silver>Ganon with the most powerful object in LoZ....

There's evidence that they are not normal silver. For one, they can kill most enemies in one shot, and were given to Link by a Fairy. In addition, every arrow Link picks up becomes a Silver Arrow. Link recieves them by tossing his bow into a fairy fountain, not by getting actual arrows. He upgraded his bow, not his arrows.

For an additional twist, there is always the Twilight curse to fall back on. It would pretty much effect everyone exept those individuals with divine protection. But even then, their form would still be altered, just not to a useless extent. This is assuming, of course, that the Twilight affects WoW-verse in the same way as portrayed in TP. I see no reason why it wouldn't work.