Ganondorf Vs Azeroth

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Light Arrows can convert things into light to kill them instantly. One of the few things that can stop Phantom Ganon from reforming.

Just saying.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Considering Link would make Thrall his little ass ***** any day of the week

I do not know the context of this statement, since reading Burning Thought discuss in favor of Warcraft make me cringe, but I must step in and disagree. While Thrall has no means of defeating the Link that is frequently debated here, Thrall can easily keep him at bay or BFR him. A point I have brought up before.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You are now assuming he will be taking it easy on Link. And that's true, there is nothing to suggest that. But he doesn't use that spell for every attack.

Well you can disagree with me all you want, but you can't disagree with a cut scene.

You agree that it pinned it down. But why is a plinth relevant at all? And how does that help your argument? And no, it is a feat speaking for the power of the Master Sword and what it can handle.

There are two major problems with this:

1) The entirety of Twilight Princess disagrees with you. As does Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time and likely some other situations I can't remember right now.

2) You are still assuming Link is a normal child, and that any adult could do what he did. That isn't true.

1. Where does it say he battled entire armies? a giant arachnid monster would have no knowledge of stealth, poison etc correction it holds a whole ocean, at the same time your admitting Ganon was pretty clueless throughout and did not use his resources.

2. In Canon the light arrows have what feats of physical power? Nothing else based on Links incredible arsenal right? and once again, gameplay. Link cannot do any of those things either unless were talking Screampastes fanon. No, denying their feats would be like denying Links arrows not being especially affective against evil, the actual damage done to an enemy and how much needed to destroy them is based on mechanics, balance etc. You listed a ton of items and now your saying link being a child does not count? what evidence do you have that without these items he is canonically powerful? what makes you think that an adult who is wiser, physically superior and has all of Links items could not do a better if not equel job?

3. Your making the assumption that all these things are heavy, or hard to do, they dont have to be and some of these things are jsut gameplay, those blocks do not relate to Links size and physically link has no reason in canon to be stronger than a child to same way Kratos, dante or a LoK vamp has. And tbh, a lot of characters somehow just "know" how to use items when they find them in games, almost every RPG has wizards/warriors picking up items and being able to use them at some point or FPS allows you to pick up alien weapons and somehow use them right off the bat.

4. I wont lie.

1. So his efforts are incredibly poor then? despite all his power his monsters fall to a child, he doesnt fall so easily, he swats link away in WW yet all his monsters are weak as hell, I never realised they were so weak hence why I made the error of assuming Ganon did not try to protect every item link needs (still not proven btw). I see, respawns are canon? 🙄

Your making the assumption that the things he faces are powerful or intelligent or heavy to hype Link up, I am not making any assumption here, links a child, simple fact, hes not physically or mentally enhanced innately like Dante, Kratos etc are therefore if hes lifting things that "look" heavy then its more likely their not because a child can>them. Also LoZ is inconsistent and shows toonforce, WW a culprit,bouncing gorons another, the pillar feat is another illogical physical manouver that would take a vast number of unlikey assumptions to make correct.

2. Copout, you cant actually prove these characters are strong, you have to assume. And yeh, while these above human size creatures are making "quakes" (prob some sort of gameplay or toonforce) huge Gorons cannot lift Link because hes wearing iron on his feat! 😉 I dont know, I think Link is at least>normal child physically and mentally, just not by far because without any items or the triforce of courage his only element that the game outlines as above a normal child is his courage, I admit a normal child would die of fright or not take any action against some of Links enemies.

3. We know Superman is not a normal man though dont we? 😄 we dont assume he is because of what he can do, we know hes superhuman before he does it. Thats because the people I am trying to convince are blind fans, or belive their assumptions are correct, they also belive all fiction has to make physical and logical sense so when they see a child lift something they think is heavy, it automaticlly requires a logical mathmatical deduction to apprently work. Then we see Gorons bounce on lava, Link toss pillars at ridiculous speeds and distances and Gorons unable to move link because hes wearing iron shoes.

4. possibly, because Zant has shown TK feats that allow him to lift...oh wait, not sure ive seen him lift anything as heavy as a fully armoured adult before. Lol, Thrall would crush link under his hammer, without using his vast shaman powers. Q can tell you more as shes read the books and thrall does more feats in them than in the games.

- its fallible because they have not been tried, these ancients have not used said arrows or anything much else for that matter on Ganon. Why? a Paladin has vastly more holy items, infact i wouldnt be surprsied if Ganon screamed at even hitting the Paladins holy armour, onyl to be impaled on a holy blade like Ashbringer.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The point of the scene was to show that not even the power of the Fused Shadows (a fraction of which killed Zant, BTW) could manage to stop, or even harm, Ganondorf. Zant < Midna < Ganondorf. Even if it was not shown, it is clear that Ganondorf defeated Midna in her Fused Shadow form and destroyed them. And the castle still exploded with him in it.

As for the Master Sword, it is not actually part of this battle. Nor is Link.

We have Ganondorf, this magic mirror, and whatever resources he can gather in 10 years.

Thats not true, we dont even see it hit him, let alone harm. Its showing us that Ganon>fused shadows, whether its because he hit it before it could hit him or because he survived the attack or because he distracted it with various PoP songs then collapsed his castle on it is unkown.

True but their relevant to Ganons overall power and how he reacts to various attacks, what can you tell me of Ganons minions? how do you propose he can make an army that can challenge Azeroth or at least politically pursuade anyone in Azeroth to follow him?

I do not know the context of this statement, since reading Burning Thought discuss in favor of Warcraft make me cringe, but I must step in and disagree. While Thrall has no means of defeating the Link that is frequently debated here, Thrall can easily keep him at bay or BFR him. A point I have brought up before.

Because he believes these things, his argument seems to be the children of warcraft and some random paladins defeat Ganon.

So the context was:
-Showing that Link's level of success against Ganon would not be attainable by most.

BT makes me lol.

Now onto replying to him! *Cringe*

1. Where does it say he battled entire armies? a giant arachnid monster would have no knowledge of stealth, poison etc correction it holds a whole ocean, at the same time your admitting Ganon was pretty clueless throughout and did not use his resources.

Yeah, right.

2. In Canon the light arrows have what feats of physical power? Nothing else based on Links incredible arsenal right? and once again, gameplay. Link cannot do any of those things either unless were talking Screampastes fanon. No, denying their feats would be like denying Links arrows not being especially affective against evil, the actual damage done to an enemy and how much needed to destroy them is based on mechanics, balance etc. You listed a ton of items and now your saying link being a child does not count? what evidence do you have that without these items he is canonically powerful? what makes you think that an adult who is wiser, physically superior and has all of Links items could not do a better if not equel job?

As for your insinuation about my "fanon", I'm not the one randomly making incredible leaps and stretched of logic in an attempt to try and discredit a franchise. You are.

3. Your making the assumption that all these things are heavy, or hard to do, they dont have to be and some of these things are jsut gameplay,

You know those block puzzles your favourite franchise stole directly from Zelda? You just called them gameplay. 🙁 Now neither Raziel or Kain have any strength feats. Nice fail there.

those blocks do not relate to Links size and physically link has no reason in canon to be stronger than a child to same way Kratos, dante or a LoK vamp has.

Hm. No. I just think you're biased. (Also a little BTarded.)

Your making the assumption that the things he faces are powerful or intelligent or heavy to hype Link up, I am not making any assumption here, links a child, simple fact, hes not physically or mentally enhanced innately like Dante, Kratos etc are therefore if hes lifting things that "look" heavy then its more likely their not because a child can>them.

The list goes on like that.
As for things in Zelda magicly being light.. Light granite? You high? Or maybe "ITZ HOLLOW!" ...Explain to me how you' carve a hollow block? How would you empty out the inside? Really, I'm curious where this massive stretch comes from.

Link > all of this, and the fact he's young somehow nullifies that? I lol'd.
link-rape

2. Copout, you cant actually prove these characters are strong, you have to assume. And yeh, while these above human size creatures are making "quakes" (prob some sort of gameplay or toonforce) huge Gorons cannot lift Link because hes wearing iron on his feat!

Note the lack of HUD in the second image: scripted event, not gameplay.
And yet these guys can't move Link in the iron boots, like I keep telling you, they are not iron.

3. We know Superman is not a normal man though dont we?

4. possibly, because Zant has shown TK feats that allow him to lift...oh wait, not sure ive seen him lift anything as heavy as a fully armoured adult before. Lol, Thrall would crush link under his hammer, without using his vast shaman powers. Q can tell you more as shes read the books and thrall does more feats in them than in the games.

Also, stop trying to speak for Q, or use her to somehow support your arguments when she keeps mentioning she doesn't even read your posts because they're shameful.

She replied to Neme, this means she is reading ours, and if and when she disagrees, she's a big girl who can speak up for herself, and already has done.

- its fallible because they have not been tried, these ancients have not used said arrows or anything much else for that matter on Ganon.

Paladin has vastly more holy items

i wouldnt be surprsied if Ganon screamed at even hitting the Paladins holy armour, onyl to be impaled on a holy blade like Ashbringer.

I think BT quoted me and replied to Neme's post.

I'd like to point out at random that the sage's sword incident proved that even if you do damage Ganon without a powerful holy weapon, it doesn't achieve anything.

I'm still thinking the only reason that did anything was because the ToP hadn't activated.

And yeah. BT quoted me but replied to Neme. Then when he started the actual reply to me he misspelled "feet."

I'll reply to him later. Am at school.

I'm still thinking the only reason that did anything was because the ToP hadn't activated.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Yes, because everyone should just [b]expect a champion of Farore with an incredibly powerful magic sword to just show up at any given time, and for this person to be some kid they previously manipulated into giving them the triforce that disappeared for seven years? 😆

Yeah, right.

How about the fact that they are not wiser or physicly superior, and he regularly bests them with less than they have? In the first moments of aLttP despite having nothing at your disposal by your Uncles sword you're beating the hell out of armoured soldiers, and breaking the princess out of the dungeon. 😐

As for your insinuation about my "fanon", I'm not the one randomly making incredible leaps and stretched of logic in an attempt to try and discredit a franchise. You are.

OH NOES!

You know those block puzzles your favourite franchise stole directly from Zelda? You just called them gameplay. 🙁 Now neither Raziel or Kain have any strength feats. Nice fail there.

haermm an LoK vamp has no reason in canon to be super human at all. Where's that developer statement you keep going on about? Since those are obviously the only canon ones! Also, Link has feats. You know, those things you constantly try to invent for Kain? Vampire's just a title. Link has statements, much clearer than the vague ones you try to take out of context from LoK. But LoK/Blood Omen character statements count, but Zelda statements don't count? /Eyeroll.
Play Twilight Princess, the entire game is full of statements on Link gaining/having power. When Link is still, from the mouth of the Hero's Shade himself, unworthy of the hero's tunic, he's already throwing around Gorons like balls. Ganon tells you Link is one of those chosen by the gos who wield absolute power. But that's useless too, right? I lol'd. But when Kain says that the soul reaver eats souls, it can instantly devour the soul of any being it touches no matter what!11!1. .

Hm. No. I just think you're biased. (Also a little BTarded.)

How about the statements and showings each of these monsters has, which you constantly ignore..
Volvagia rips apart the stone ceiling of his chamber, Gohma bench presses tens of thousands of tons, while sitting in lava.
Moblins create shockwaves just by striking the earth with a club.
Morpheel cracks open the side of the water temple, draining the water, by accident.
Dangoro is heavy enough to snap the chains that support the platform he fights Link on.
Darbus is a massive, super strong, possessed and enhanced, living rock that's on fire, and Link can overpower him to trip him.

The list goes on like that.
As for things in Zelda magicly being light.. Light granite? You high? Or maybe "ITZ HOLLOW!" ...Explain to me how you' carve a hollow block? How would you empty out the inside? Really, I'm curious where this massive stretch comes from.

Link > all of this, and the fact he's young somehow nullifies that? I lol'd.
link-rape

Gorons are insanely strong, but you'd KNOW that if you played a Zelda game..
In MM as a Goron you do this:

Note the lack of HUD in the second image: scripted event, not gameplay.
And yet these guys can't move Link in the iron boots, like I keep telling you, they are not iron.
We know Link is not a normal man either.

Zant defeated a light spirit with a thought. 😬

Also, stop trying to speak for Q, or use her to somehow support your arguments when she keeps mentioning she doesn't even read your posts because they're shameful.

She replied to Neme, this means she is reading ours, and if and when she disagrees, she's a big girl who can speak up for herself, and already has done.

Because the Sage's Sword worked sooooo well! And that only even pierced his skin because they did it before he had the triforce of power. GJ.

Assumption.

So, when you say "random paladin" you mean Tirion Fordgring? Hah. Random indeed. Only the most powerful one in Warcraft. Ganon doesn't need to engage Tirion directly the way Link forces him too, either.
link-rape [/B]

The last bit is why he should expect link for one, hes already met him, used him and therefore Link is the only one who knew where the chamber was and got in.

Let me guess, gameplay?

No thats false, your doing all those things to enhance your own fanon. Stretching logic most of all, not the games, your own.

No not really, read the part where Links a child and has no reason to be strong, i dont have to assume their heavy.

Vampire is not a title its a spiecies 🙄 you dont even know what a title is now?

here your just trolling though, theres no real argument. As I said, go back to your fanon and let a real debator and someone who knows about the LoZ canon, not fanon attack my points.

Gameplay graphics, toonforce, your overhyped exageration and a lot of things not to be taken seriously. You whining about these actions does not make Link more powerful, he stays the same, it makes them weak though.

Because their not strong, boots of iron can weigh them down and overpower their strength remember?

Their not necesserily light, the developers just did not care about the weight of these things, their just fun little effects for LoZ players to enjoy. Links still a child no matter how big the blocks are, half the time an unenhanced one physically anyway.

Their not strong, they cannot lift Links weight when he has iron on his feet, your calalculations are not canon and LoZ does not have to use real physics, its a toony game on old graphic engines in most cases.

or they are iron like the game tells us and your calculations are not canon?

Theres no feat from Ganon with ToP that he cannot be pierced, he was pierced easily by the sword of light.

Fact.

Link does not force anything, Tirion would wipe out Ganon easily as would an army of normal paladins. hell a hero paladin has long range smiting holy spells that instantly hit the target, they dont need little swords or Links cute little bow.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I think BT quoted me and replied to Neme's post.

I did indeed, wups!

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. So his efforts are incredibly poor then? despite all his power his monsters fall to a child, he doesnt fall so easily, he swats link away in WW yet all his monsters are weak as hell, I never realised they were so weak hence why I made the error of assuming Ganon did not try to protect [b]every item link needs (still not proven btw). I see, respawns are canon? 🙄

Your making the assumption that the things he faces are powerful or intelligent or heavy to hype Link up, I am not making any assumption here, links a child, simple fact, hes not physically or mentally enhanced innately like Dante, Kratos etc are therefore if hes lifting things that "look" heavy then its more likely their not because a child can>them. Also LoZ is inconsistent and shows toonforce, WW a culprit,bouncing gorons another, the pillar feat is another illogical physical manouver that would take a vast number of unlikey assumptions to make correct.

2. Copout, you cant actually prove these characters are strong, you have to assume. And yeh, while these above human size creatures are making "quakes" (prob some sort of gameplay or toonforce) huge Gorons cannot lift Link because hes wearing iron on his feat! 😉 I dont know, I think Link is at least>normal child physically and mentally, just not by far because without any items or the triforce of courage his only element that the game outlines as above a normal child is his courage, I admit a normal child would die of fright or not take any action against some of Links enemies.

3. We know Superman is not a normal man though dont we? 😄 we dont assume he is because of what he can do, we know hes superhuman before he does it. Thats because the people I am trying to convince are blind fans, or belive their assumptions are correct, they also belive all fiction has to make physical and logical sense so when they see a child lift something they think is heavy, it automaticlly requires a logical mathmatical deduction to apprently work. Then we see Gorons bounce on lava, Link toss pillars at ridiculous speeds and distances and Gorons unable to move link because hes wearing iron shoes.

4. possibly, because Zant has shown TK feats that allow him to lift...oh wait, not sure ive seen him lift anything as heavy as a fully armoured adult before. Lol, Thrall would crush link under his hammer, without using his vast shaman powers. Q can tell you more as shes read the books and thrall does more feats in them than in the games.

- its fallible because they have not been tried, these ancients have not used said arrows or anything much else for that matter on Ganon. [/B]

1. No, but in many games it isn't like he wants to kill Link. Using OoT as an example, he first is using Link to gather the stones and the Ocarina of Time in order to open the door to the Sacred Realm. Then the Master Sword takes Link away for seven years, at which point Link has returned and Ganondorf uses him to bring Zelda out of hiding. He still sicks all his minions on Link and even very powerful entities like Bongo Bongo and Volvagia.

Nothing in Zelda is toonforce. There's a reason for all of it and it is very consistent. Had Dangoro been killed by tossing him into the lava you would have no way to retrieve the Hero's Bow. Not to mention the fact that Gorons live in a volcano and don't give two shits about heat. In TP before you get into the dungeon there are Gorons outside while the volcano is spitting out molten rocks. They just walk around out there like it's a tiny bit of rain. Physical enhancements for Link are incredibly obvious. Twilight Princess is a big point in the powers of the Triforce of Courage. The entire game is filled with mentions of you wielding the Hero's power. The first Light Spirit you save even tells you "You have not yet discovered your true hidden power." One dungeon later he's tossing Dangoro.

2. I didn't mention any creatures, but stating that you cannot disagree with a cut scene is not a copout, it is stating the obvious. And I really have no clue what the rest of that post is, but I'll say that no Goron has ever attempted to lift Link. Sumo wrestling is not an occasion to lift your opponent, it is a contest of Strength against Strength. Weight is still a factor, but not much else.

3. I don't think this is a reply to me at all, I began this post thinking that part of yours was replying to me, but two and three make me question that. And for those last points that look like they could be directed at me, I'll direct you to #2.

4. With the power of one Fused Shadow Midna can levitate sections of solid stone bridges, ripping them out of the ground before It does so. Zant > Midna with one Fused Shadow.

The Ancients lacked the power of Light Arrows. They were granted to Zelda in TP when she prayed to the Goddesses for them and they sent the Light Spirits to oblige.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1. No, but in many games it isn't like he wants to kill Link. Using OoT as an example, he first is using Link to gather the stones and the Ocarina of Time in order to open the door to the Sacred Realm. Then the Master Sword takes Link away for seven years, at which point Link has returned and Ganondorf uses him to bring Zelda out of hiding. He still sicks all his minions on Link and even very powerful entities like Bongo Bongo and Volvagia.

Nothing in Zelda is toonforce. There's a reason for all of it and it is very consistent. Had Dangoro been killed by tossing him into the lava you would have no way to retrieve the Hero's Bow. Not to mention the fact that Gorons live in a volcano and don't give two shits about heat. In TP before you get into the dungeon there are Gorons outside while the volcano is spitting out molten rocks. They just walk around out there like it's a tiny bit of rain. Physical enhancements for Link are incredibly obvious. Twilight Princess is a big point in the powers of the Triforce of Courage. The entire game is filled with mentions of you wielding the Hero's power. The first Light Spirit you save even tells you "You have not yet discovered your true hidden power." One dungeon later he's tossing Dangoro.

2. I didn't mention any creatures, but stating that you cannot disagree with a cut scene is not a copout, it is stating the obvious. And I really have no clue what the rest of that post is, but I'll say that no Goron has ever attempted to lift Link. Sumo wrestling is not an occasion to lift your opponent, it is a contest of Strength against Strength. Weight is still a factor, but not much else.

3. I don't think this is a reply to me at all, I began this post thinking that part of yours was replying to me, but two and three make me question that. And for those last points that look like they could be directed at me, I'll direct you to #2.

4. With the power of one Fused Shadow Midna can levitate sections of solid stone bridges, ripping them out of the ground before It does so. Zant > Midna with one Fused Shadow.

The Ancients lacked the power of Light Arrows. They were granted to Zelda in TP when she prayed to the Goddesses for them and they sent the Light Spirits to oblige.

1. I have few problems with the first part of this point but...

It is toonforce, WW is toony alltogether, the little explosion on the islands was one such toon event where he squeeks like a toon down the side of the castle. Theres no reason for a lot of links feats at least not the lollovelink club link based on screams uncanon math. "heroes" power is a mention, a fallible one and most of all ambiguous, we dont even know what that means.

2. The cutscene does not show weight nor does it prove that the developers made a game that your supposed to take physically seriously, just like Mario and other toon games. I dont know what it is but there were many vids that showed Link pulling Gorons just because he had Iron boots, therefore his weight>theirs just by having iron on his feet.

3. This is indeed the post meant for Nemebro, ill answer your one later.

4.

So they are fallible then, their speaking from a position of great ignorance by saying only light arrows or silver can beat Ganon, or the MS for that matter. Not only have they not practiced it themselves but they dont have access or have tried many other items yet.

BT's post makes so little sense I'm not sure how to reply to it. 😐

The last bit is why he should expect link for one, hes already met him, used him and therefore Link is the only one who knew where the chamber was and got in.

Play the game, learn what you're talking about. What you say here makes no sense. In the context of the game I can't even force it to make sense. That is how bad it is.

No thats false, your doing all those things to enhance your own fanon. Stretching logic most of all, not the games, your own.

I'm not the only one to tell you you're making incredible leaps and stretches, either. You're actively imagining things to try and grasp some straw somewhere that doesn't even exist. You keep saying I use "Fanon", but lo and behold, the games agree with me.

No not really, read the part where Links a child and has no reason to be strong, i dont have to assume their heavy.

See below:
"an LoK vamp has no reason in canon to be super human at all. Where's that developer statement you keep going on about? Since those are obviously the only canon ones! Also, Link has feats. You know, those things you constantly try to invent for Kain? Vampire's just a title. Link has statements, much clearer than the vague ones you try to take out of context from LoK. But LoK/Blood Omen character statements count, but Zelda statements don't count? /Eyeroll.
Play Twilight Princess, the entire game is full of statements on Link gaining/having power. When Link is still, from the mouth of the Hero's Shade himself, unworthy of the hero's tunic, he's already throwing around Gorons like balls. Ganon tells you Link is one of those chosen by the gos who wield absolute power. But that's useless too, right? I lol'd. But when Kain says that the soul reaver eats souls, it can instantly devour the soul of any being it touches no matter what!11!1..."

here your just trolling though, theres no real argument. As I said, go back to your fanon and let a real debator and someone who knows about the LoZ canon, not fanon attack my points.

Now you're in denial. "YOU'RE WRONG!!!". I lol'd. How about you try and prove I'm wrong instead of consistantly claiming so with no evidence? Guess what, you haven't played the games, you have no idea what you're talking about, and no one agrees with you. See a connection? I do.

Gameplay graphics, toonforce, your overhyped exageration and a lot of things not to be taken seriously. You whining about these actions does not make Link more powerful, he stays the same, it makes them weak though.

Proof of anything you're claiming? You have none.

BT, you have no argument, I win again.

Because their not strong, boots of iron can weigh them down and overpower their strength remember?

Game disagrees with you. Game is right, you are wrong.

Their not necesserily light, the developers just did not care about the weight of these things, their just fun little effects for LoZ players to enjoy. Links still a child no matter how big the blocks are, half the time an unenhanced one physically anyway.

Poor argument is poor. Get a new one.

Their not strong, they cannot lift Links weight when he has iron on his feet, your calalculations are not canon and LoZ does not have to use real physics, its a toony game on old graphic engines in most cases.

or they are iron like the game tells us and your calculations are not canon?

Theres no feat from Ganon with ToP that he cannot be pierced, he was pierced easily by the sword of light.

You mean the Sage's Sword, which only even broke his skin because he didn't have the triforce of power yet? Then he shrugged off the impalement as soon as the triforce of power activated, G.J.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You are now assuming he will be taking it easy on Link. And that's true, there is nothing to suggest that. But he doesn't use that spell for every attack.

Well you can disagree with me all you want, but you can't disagree with a cut scene.

You agree that it pinned it down. But why is a plinth relevant at all? And how does that help your argument? And no, it is a feat speaking for the power of the Master Sword and what it can handle.

There are two major problems with this:

1) The entirety of Twilight Princess disagrees with you. As does Ganondorf in Ocarina of Time and likely some other situations I can't remember right now.

2) You are still assuming Link is a normal child, and that any adult could do what he did. That isn't true.

Not really, I am just not assuming every one of his magical attacks are island busting like you are. Whether he takes it easy on link or whether his island buster is a slow attack thats not viable in real combat I dont know, neither do you. We can only assume but tbh, apart from the power whatever he did to blow up the islands is featless, speed, cast time, gesture or spoken word etc.

Well your opinion is on the cutscene, the cutscene itself does not tell you what its intent is I am afraid, and we dont see him get hit, therefore no feat no matter how hard you try.

The plinth is relevant because when the MS was pulled out Ganon said he gained his power again, its just a locking mechanism. Its useless in combat.

Who are you say that isnt true? its never happened and Link is a normal child based on canon, ignoring Screampastes fanon math and the assumption everything in LoZ is 100% physically thought out by all the developers and is made to work with physics then Link by the actual canon is never even implied to be physically superior to an adult. Adults do not even try the things he does, not with all the items he is lucky enough to get his hands on.

The plinth is relevant because when the MS was pulled out Ganon said he gained his power again, its just a locking mechanism. Its useless in combat.

Who are you say that isnt true?

Link by the actual canon is never even implied to be physically superior to an adult.

Adults do not even try the things he does, not with all the items he is lucky enough to get his hands on

mmm Seems Link is superior.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Here you say "no u".

I'm not the only one to tell you you're making incredible leaps and stretches, either. You're actively [b]imagining things to try and grasp some straw somewhere that doesn't even exist. You keep saying I use "Fanon", but lo and behold, the games agree with me.

See below:
"an LoK vamp has no reason in canon to be super human at all. Where's that developer statement you keep going on about? Since those are obviously the only canon ones! Also, Link has feats. You know, those things you constantly try to invent for Kain? Vampire's just a title. Link has statements, much clearer than the vague ones you try to take out of context from LoK. But LoK/Blood Omen character statements count, but Zelda statements don't count? /Eyeroll.
Play Twilight Princess, the entire game is full of statements on Link gaining/having power. When Link is still, from the mouth of the Hero's Shade himself, unworthy of the hero's tunic, he's already throwing around Gorons like balls. Ganon tells you Link is one of those chosen by the gos who wield absolute power. But that's useless too, right? I lol'd. But when Kain says that the soul reaver eats souls, it can instantly devour the soul of any being it touches no matter what!11!1..."

Now you're in denial. "YOU'RE WRONG!!!". I lol'd. How about you try and prove I'm wrong instead of consistantly claiming so with no evidence? Guess what, you haven't played the games, you have no idea what you're talking about, and no one agrees with you. See a connection? I do.

See? Doesn't like when I prove him wrong, yells toonforce.

Proof of anything you're claiming? You have none.

BT, you have no argument, I win again.

Game disagrees with you. Game is right, you are wrong.

durlaugh
"No matter how many feats he has, he's still a kid!"

Poor argument is poor. Get a new one.

haermm
1. They are strong, see above.
2. Iron boots =/= the weight of iron.
3. I don't need calculations for the image to show the Gorons could easily move a human if the boots only weigh as much as iron.
Show me where I used a calculation?
4. Play the game before you call it "toony". It isn't. This is your typical cop out. Get proved wrong, ignore feats, then scream toonforce. GJ being predictable.

They're not iron, they don't even look like iron and the game never even says they're iron, that's just a name. Where did I use a calculation?
The gorons are incredibly strong, cannot move a man in iron boots. The iron boots are heavy as hell.

"sword of light"?

You mean the Sage's Sword, which only even broke his skin because he didn't have the triforce of power yet? Then he shrugged off the impalement as soon as the triforce of power activated, G.J. [/B]

no I dont, I just point out your completly wrong. Yes and many members of KMC AND another forum disagree with your fanon, as does the game itself. Sorry but the games do not even hint at the things your using as fact.

This was kicked in the curb in the last post, its just a poor attempt to try and compare the situations of LoZ around link and LoK, there are hundreds of vamps in LoK, all with credible knowledge and statements because their speaking from a knowledgable perspective they are vampires and know what their capable of and they exist with their own kind. The fact they are immortal, all consistently have magicl or supernatural pwoers negates any of your nonsense.

"whimper whimper whimper!" as I said, get an argument together, wipe the froth from around your face and then begin anew. LoZ proves your wrong. Also your being a hypocrite in this very sentance.

The lack of evidence in LoZ is the proof that I am correct in this argument.

The game shows me Link lifting the block, so?

You didnt actually counter the argument, infact you just took a tiny piece of it and trolled it. Get out from under your bridge, the goats are not coming....

1. Iron boots>that feat it seems
2. Evidence? their just called "iron boots", what claims otherwise?
3. You do need calculations for your lowly arguments to work, the game is not to be taken seriously for the reasons previously mentioned, its just "fun".
4. Ive called it toonforce from the beginning, youve never proven anything wrong, you stating things and argueing your math as canon or your opinion of a cutscene as canon does not help you.

The game calls them iron, case closed unless youve got canon to say otherwise? I assumed you didnt pull the 200 ton goronz! out of your ass? or its just not meant ot be taken seriously and they just cannot lift a man in iron boots, just like most of Ganons monsters cannot beat a child, or Ganons traps cannot trick/outwit a child. Theres a consistency in the canon of the game, theres none in your fanon with the games themselves.

not proven, its not been tried against his skin since he took it out so where your getting the idea it cannot pierce him from I dont know.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not so. It sealed Ganon in stone at the end of WW without the pedestal of time.
He's someone who's played the game.

durlaugh A normal man can throw giant living rocks?

Yes, they do. You ignore that.. You think Zant had the twilight beasts slaughter Hyrule's soldiers for lulz? They were [b]trying to resist. Couldn't even take shadow beasts, in numbers, while armed and armoured. Link, alone, as a wolf can take on groups of shadow beasts alone.

mmm Seems Link is superior. [/B]

Thats nothing to do with taking away his powers or influencing them at all.....

So? that does not make a difference at all tbh. The game does not show him Midna striking Ganon. Youtube cannot change the content of games when vids are uploaded 😆

Thats not canon, thats gameplay and toonforce as well as feats that are not to be taken seriously for their physical acts.

I bet you dont even see the soldiers fight, not that the soldiers have the triforce of courage, Links weapons, Links magic powers etc but physically, their superior because their developed adults and not children.

Sorry but the games do not even hint at the things your using as fact.

You've never played the games.

Yes: they do. Go play Twilight Princess, tell me how many references to Link's true power, the triforce, and the spirit of the hero are in it? Loads.

This was kicked in the curb in the last post, its just a poor attempt to try and compare the situations of LoZ around link and LoK, there are hundreds of vamps in LoK, all with credible knowledge and statements because their speaking from a knowledgable perspective they are vampires and know what their capable of and they exist with their own kind. The fact they are immortal, all consistently have magicl or supernatural pwoers negates any of your nonsense.

You're biased, and hilarious.

"whimper whimper whimper!" as I said, get an argument together, wipe the froth from around your face and then begin anew. LoZ proves your wrong. Also your being a hypocrite in this very sentance.

The lack of evidence in LoZ is the proof that I am correct in this argument.

You didnt actually counter the argument, infact you just took a tiny piece of it and trolled it. Get out from under your bridge, the goats are not coming....

Now where's your argument? Proof? Anything?

All you've done is run around screaming toonforce, making retarded claims, and pretending you know something about anything.

1. Iron boots>that feat it seems

Hey, you admitted I'm right by accident. Good job. Sometimes the truth just comes out, eh?

or its just not meant ot be taken seriously and they just cannot lift a man in iron boots, just like most of Ganons monsters cannot beat a child, or Ganons traps cannot trick/outwit a child. Theres a consistency in the canon of the game, theres none in your fanon with the games themselves.

Cause you know, a creature that can cause powerful shockwaves by striking the ground would lose to a normal child? durlaugh Link isn't just some kid, like we keep telling you. Keep pretending. This is a dead point, go find a new argument.

not proven, its not been tried against his skin since he took it out so where your getting the idea it cannot pierce him from I dont know.

So? that does not make a difference at all tbh. The game does not show him Midna striking Ganon. Youtube cannot change the content of games when vids are uploaded

Thats not canon, thats gameplay and toonforce as well as feats that are not to be taken seriously for their physical acts.

I bet you dont even see the soldiers fight, not that the soldiers have the triforce of courage, Links weapons, Links magic powers etc but physically, their superior because their developed adults and not children.

Also, you're slipping. You're slowly admitting we're right more and more all the time. I already proved Link is physicly superior.

Being a child is irrelevant, so I suggest you stop using that as a title when you refer to Link, Burning Thought. There are countless children in fiction that are highly powerful. It is fallacious to even include the fact that Link is one when discussing his level of power.

Heck, Warcraft has powerful children.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It pans out to show you the destruction. Everything in the cutscene indicates the strike, and there's no reason Nintendo would even have her make the strike if she "couldn't hit him" as you claim. (And have never, and cannot prove.)

You do not decide canon, the game does. Also, we have a cutscene of soldiers gettign their asses kicked. I win.

We have a cutscene where the soldiers fight, and lose.

Also, you're slipping. You're slowly admitting we're right more and more all the time. I already proved Link is physicly superior.

It just shows you a castle collapsing, whether Midna hit it, or her power did that but never actually hit Ganon or Ganon did that damage is unkown.

And your not the game, hence why you cannot call whats canon or not, the game also tells us if someone was as heavy as you claim, it does not, your the one doing it. No "we" dont, post it here.

Ive never even admitted anything at all.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You've never played the games.

Yes: they do. Go play Twilight Princess, tell me how many references to Link's true power, the triforce, and the spirit of the hero are in it? Loads.

Those are all fallible statements, by your logic. Zelda games are utterly riddled with statements on the power of the triforce and it's pieces, but you choose to ignore that.

You're biased, and hilarious.

LoZ proves you wrong, actually. You'd know that if you [b]played the games

LoZ is full of evidence, and you choose to ignore all of it.

Original. Really. Never heard that before.

Now where's your argument? Proof? Anything?

All you've done is run around screaming toonforce, making retarded claims, and pretending you know something about anything.

Hey, you admitted I'm right by accident. Good job. Sometimes the truth just comes out, eh?

And here you are ignoring all the feats of these enemies, ect..

Cause you know, a creature that can cause powerful shockwaves by striking the ground would lose to a normal child? durlaugh Link isn't just some kid, like we keep telling you. Keep pretending. This is a dead point, go find a new argument.

Midna. [/B]

Oh I see so your admitting your info is based on nothing but amgiuous titles? just as well I dont bother playing through the game to find out irrelevant info.

No, I even pointed out why their not fallible so your just seeing what you want to see it seems.

A creature that causes shockwaves (animation/gameplay effect no doubt) was[b] beaten by a child, or so we assume since Ive not seen a cutscene of it happening.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
[B]Being a child is irrelevant, so I suggest you stop using that as a title when you refer to Link, Burning Thought. There are countless children in fiction that are highly powerful. It is fallacious to even include the fact that Link is one when discussing his level of power.

Heck, Warcraft has powerful children.

Since when is "child" a title? its a stage of human development, often physically and mentally inferior to an adult at least in medieval periods. You bringing up children that are actually powerful does not change anything, if I can bring up humans that are stronger or more powerful than a normal human that does not make the human I am defending as strong as they are. The fact Child # in WoW actually has innate powers drawn out in lore that Link does not, does not defend link. Since your defending him, can you find a canon and credible piece of evidence that suggests he has good reason to be capable of certian feats, and so therefore proving he is consistently innately strong? and not toonforce/illegitimate like I claim?