Kratos Versus Ryu Hayabusa

Originally posted by iChaos
Considering the fact that he was nearly killed by a hammer.

Also, when did Kratos brush off a attack by Zeus that hurt a Titan?

Kratos can

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be killed the same way Poseidon and Apollo were...thru "normal" means

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Is Ryu even strong enough to grapple with Kratos in the first place?

Spoiler:
Zeus throws a lightning bolt that hurts Gaia. Nothing happens to Kratos. Pretty sure he wasn't using the Golden Fleece as the fleece wasn't facing the bolt. Either way, if he did use the Fleece, it's a reaction feat, as his hands were on his side when Zeus threw the bolt

Originally posted by iChaos
Considering the fact that he was nearly killed by a hammer.

Also, when did Kratos brush off a attack by Zeus that hurt a Titan?

Kratos can

Spoiler:
be killed the same way Poseidon and Apollo were...thru "normal" means

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-LOL @ this point. Trying to reach that far back for a non-feat--from when Kratos was nothing more than a normal soldier with no superhuman abilities.

-If you couldn't tell, it was a GoW3 spoiler. It happens near the beginning. I'll say no more, but that it was far more awesome than just Demonic Phoenix's spoiler lets on. Truly.

-Thankfully, you put normal in quotations. Otherwise, this would have been far more silly a point than it already is. Ryu doesn't have the 'normal means' it takes.

Since he was born a demi-god. Fact is, he would've been killed. And he can die the same way any other demigod can.

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Yeah, and Gaia has done what?

Also, didn't the Last Spartan brush off Zeus' lighting bolt?

Don't you people know Ryu Hayabusa is from the Dead Or Alive games, he can't lose. I side wit him.

Originally posted by iChaos
Since he was born a demi-god. Fact is, he would've been killed. And he can die the same way any other demigod can.

Spoiler:
Yeah, and Gaia has done what?

Also, didn't the Last Spartan brush off Zeus' lighting bolt?

No one is denying that he can die like that. However, that hammer incident was so many years ago, Kratos has gotten stronger etc. Not to mention, he beat a more powerful version of the BK already 😐
Try again.

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Oh I don't know, how about the fact that she is the mother of a race of beings that are strong enough to carry mountains on their backs, or tear chunks of solid rock the size of a small building and chuck them up a kilometer high?
She's obviously as strong as them, not to mention, she's the freaking mother of the earth.

Nada, he didn't take a bolt head on, neither did those bolts seem as powerful as this one (he 'charged' the bolt for a lot longer against Kratos)

Originally posted by iChaos
Since he was born a demi-god. Fact is, he would've been killed. And he can die the same way any other demigod can.

Spoiler:
Yeah, and Gaia has done what?

Also, didn't the Last Spartan brush off Zeus' lighting bolt?

-He was born a demi-god, but he had no powers until Ares took him under his wing. The barbarian king was nothing more than a really strong man when Kratos was bested. Yet we see Kratos effortlessly take care of a creature larger than a ship in the form of the Hydra, in the opening level of the game, and tank things far stronger than a simple giant hammer blow from a mortal. It's a redundant point constantly saying "oh he can die just like anyone else!". Irrelevant. The question of this thread is can Ryu be the one to do it? By feats. No. He cant.

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On top of what Phoenix has said above, its important to note the obvious, in that Gaia is a near 2000 ft tall being, made of solid rock inside and out and weighs millions of tons.

-LOL. No. Just be quiet. Please.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Don't you people know Ryu Hayabusa is from the Dead Or Alive games, he can't lose. I side wit him.

Shittiest 3D fighter there is, what's your point?

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Shittiest 3D fighter there is, what's your point?

I like it 🙁

Yes the jiggling is over the top but I think the fighting system is pretty fun.

Also tekken is way shittier.

I disagree. VF is shittier, not Tekken.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I disagree. VF is shittier, not Tekken.

excluding GoW3 feats I definitely think it's a pretty even match here between Hayabusa and Kratos.

In argument for Hayabusa:

The True Dragon Sword has the power to destroy the world, while this doesn't mean anything until it has canonically destroyed a world, it's still a very impressive blade.

Not all of his Ninpo attacks are even projectiles, such as his Wind Blades technique which is hundreds of slashes, Flame Phoenix ninpo which are protective magical fire birds that fly around and attack enemies, and his Piercing Void ninpo which is a miniature black hole. The only actual projectile is his Inferno ninpo.

True Dragon Sword paired with the Blade of the Archfiend is a powerful combination. The Archfiend of course being the most powerful being(so far) in the NG universe.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Shittiest 3D fighter there is, what's your point?

Originally posted by No End N Site
Don't you people know Ryu Hayabusa is from the Dead Or Alive games, he can't lose. I side wit him.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Shittiest 3D fighter there is, what's your point?

Originally posted by Cyner
I like it 🙁

Yes the jiggling is over the top but I think the fighting system is pretty fun.

Also tekken is way shittier.

Also, True DS capable of destroying the world? It cannot "destroy"...anything. It just has the countering power to fight off the Dark Dragon Blade. As that gets stronger, so does the TDS, which is why it's really the only counter for it (in that particular universe). In NG2 the concept is a little different. The blade (TDS) just gets powerful after sensing all the evil shit going on in Mt. Fuji, or that volcano Ryu ventures in.

Other than that, other traits of the sword is that it can cut through what magma can't melt (lava fiends)...that's really it actually.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-He was born a demi-god, but he had no powers until Ares took him under his wing. The barbarian king was nothing more than a really strong man when Kratos was bested. Yet we see Kratos effortlessly take care of a creature larger than a ship in the form of the Hydra, in the opening level of the game, and tank things far stronger than a simple giant hammer blow from a mortal. It's a redundant point constantly saying "oh he can die just like anyone else!". Irrelevant. The question of this thread is can Ryu be the one to do it? By feats. No. He cant.

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Spoiler:
On top of what Phoenix has said above, its important to note the obvious, in that Gaia is a near 2000 ft tall being, made of solid rock inside and out and weighs millions of tons.

-LOL. No. Just be quiet. Please.

Yeah...no. Him being able to die like anyone else any irrevelant.

YouTube video

Meh, I didn't recall her being made of rocks inside, but meh.

Yeah, I'm sure that bolt killed him (@1:34).

Originally posted by FWahMaN
Also, True DS capable of destroying the world? It cannot "destroy"...anything. It just has the countering power to fight off the Dark Dragon Blade. As that gets stronger, so does the TDS, which is why it's really the only counter for it (in that particular universe). In NG2 the concept is a little different. The blade (TDS) just gets powerful after sensing all the evil shit going on in Mt. Fuji, or that volcano Ryu ventures in.

Other than that, other traits of the sword is that it can cut through what magma can't melt (lava fiends)...that's really it actually.

I'm probably the only person who reads all the lore in the books you find everywhere in Ninja Gaiden, but it's in there.

And considering the True DS mirrors the extent of power of a blade growing in power since the dawn of history (which correct me if I'm wrong, also means the beginning of time) it's safe to say the TDS is a helluva strong weapon......that power only fights off "dark" or "evil" power. Vague as hell, right? You got it. I don't know how power can be "light/good" and "dark/evil"...not the same as "destructive" which is why the TDS has basically no destructive power that a normal katana doesn't. It cannot destroy the world, lmao.

The reason the TDS's power is...well..actually, the game says "unfathomable spirit power" in NG for the Xbox. That's from the 13 dragon deities. It's also in the sacred texts of the game.

Edit: Dude, if you can show me where it says the TDS can do that....then...well...I'll believe it. Until then I'm a disbeliever.

Originally posted by FWahMaN
Please, don't talk as if Dead or Alive has ever been overrated. That goes for your other comment above (no one said anyone from the games can do such ridiculous feats, on the other hand...) Oh yes, you can find me one or two examples. Just maybe I'll applaud.

WOW, You okay sparky? What was that all about? And your silly if you think DOA and NG have never been over overrated on this forum.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
There is an argument. Several actually. Some of them are spoilers for GOW3.

And what the hell is 'sharp point durability' exactly? Kratos is not made of rubber. A normal man wielding a blade certainly would not scratch him.

And the only times he's been killed by piercing were by people millions of times above Ryu in physical strength:

1. Ares, who was in full God size and threw a sharpened pillar beyond the speed of sound. That is far beyond anything Ryu can hope to muster physically. Even then Kratos' durability was enough that it slowed down the momentum of the pillar and kept it from bisecting him. And it would have done just that if it went through all the way, as the base was wider than Kratos' torso.

Kratos' has only since gotten much stronger since that game, even in base terms. Even still, that was the Kratos that could be sucked into another dimension and fall so far that his landing makes a massive crater upon impact in solid rock.

2. When he was stabbed by Zeus, who was wielding the BoO nonetheless, while Kratos was already weakened. Zeus is a physical match for Kratos as it is, and then he was wielding the BoO on top of it.

First of all Ryu is not a normal human, second no one is saying Kratos isn't durable. He has fairly good durability against blunt force trauma but he is just as vulnerable to sharp point trauma as all the gods and titans he kills.

It's a bit far fetched to say that Ryu couldn't tear up Kratos' flesh. He's done it to greater fiends who have more dense muscle than Kratos.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Is Ryu even strong enough to grapple with Kratos in the first place?

If Ryu grapples with Kratos, he's lost this fight. Grappling and muscling opponents is Kratos' game, Ryu is all finesse and speed.

All those greater fiends he fights are stronger than him, he decimates them with his speed and skill.

No one is saying Ryu's going to straight up kick his ass or win in a wrestling match. That would be hilarious.

Ryu can only win, given the circumstances, with his higher end weapons and ninpo. Dhurz, people. Also yes, the Greater Fiends of NG1 and 2 are formidable. They're comparable to DMC bosses, and mid and/or high metas.

*head/desk*

A bit of continued fail here. Will address tomorrow.