Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
No, you don't seem to be getting it, that's all game play mechanics, everything in Final Fantasy takes time because you have to take turns to attack. Cloud could use a speed drink to instantly give him haste, and then it would just take him a couple seconds to use stop. Then he could take as much time as he needs to use whatever spells or summons that he wants. Toad and mini could be used to take care of Bowser being really big, then Cloud would be bigger and could crush him with his foot if he felt it was necessary. You can take out the death spell if you want to, Cloud wouldn't need it to win, he could just use it to get an instant KO. and as i said before that's game play mechanics. Death has a chance of working on all enemies in VII, except for bosses (only because that would make the game too easy), regardless of their strength or size. Bowser isn't a god, he can die. Their is no reason why death wouldn't affect him.
Time is not always Gameplay Mechanics, sir. Gameplay Mechanics are something like Cloud not being able to move from X position until it is his turn to attack. Cloud seems to be a lightweight, so I doubt he could drink that fast enough. Mini and Toad spells take time, Death getting an instant KO would be a no limit fallacy, of that I am certain.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Time is not always Gameplay Mechanics, sir. Gameplay Mechanics are something like Cloud not being able to move from X position until it is his turn to attack. Cloud seems to be a lightweight, so I doubt he could drink that fast enough. Mini and Toad spells take time, Death getting an instant KO would be a no limit fallacy, of that I am certain.
no time isn't always game play mechanics, but in this case it is. Spells take basically no time at all in other games like crisis core, and in the AC movie, so who's to say that Cloud couldn't cast spells before Bowser even had a chance to try and hurt him. And a light weight? really? are you even trying anymore. That emo kid lives in a bar, and has so many depression issues i don't even want to get into right now, that spells out problem drinker to me. Back on topic though, The speed drink has nothing to do with alcohol, its a little vial that gives the user haste if they drink it. Also, at the beginning of 7, cloud is in a bar drinking, he finishes it in like 2 or 3 drinks, so no i don't think Cloud is a light weight even though its irrelevant. and yes, i already agreed that things like death would be a no limit fallacy. That's why i said you could take it out last time because it would be a cheap win, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't work.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobsSince Bowser consistantly deals with far more potent magic than anythign Cloud has, it's safe to say it wouldn't work.
no time isn't always game play mechanics, but in this case it is. Spells take basically no time at all in other games like crisis core, and in the AC movie, so who's to say that Cloud couldn't cast spells before Bowser even had a chance to try and hurt him. And a light weight? really? are you even trying anymore. That emo kid lives in a bar, and has so many depression issues i don't even want to get into right now, that spells out problem drinker to me. Back on topic though, The speed drink has nothing to do with alcohol, its a little vial that gives the user haste if they drink it. Also, at the beginning of 7, cloud is in a bar drinking, he finishes it in like 2 or 3 drinks, so no i don't think Cloud is a light weight even though its irrelevant. and yes, i already agreed that things like death would be a no limit fallacy. That's why i said you could take it out last time because it would be a cheap win, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't work.
Also, an unrelated note, Link can legit chug a 750 ml bottle of potion so harsh it makes you burp red fog. 131 when he's ten!
But yeah, Cloud legit has no way to harm Bowser. 😐 I'm sorry, he just can't, and Cloud's going to be burning to death the entire fight.
Bowser is immune to instant death spells, and time stops, and every other status effect. Being a final boss in RPGs where Mario can use instant death spells and time stops tends to let one do that. His claws are poisoned, and his stomps can make an enemy unable to use one of their moves.
Are the combatants allowed to use summons? Bowser's very good at them. His only non-summon magic attack causes a sharp pillar of rock to jut up from the earth and stab things. He can also teleport. Add in some of his larger forms, and he's a force to be reckoned with.
Hmm.. I think this may ironically be the most successful VS topic I've made here thus far (at least one that didn't contain Dark Khan). Didn't see that coming. haermm
Originally posted by BloodRain
Ridley how big is Bowser here?
Just kidding. I suppose the size of him in SM64/Galaxy would do best here. 🤨
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Since Bowser consistantly deals with far more potent magic than anythign Cloud has, it's safe to say it wouldn't work.Also, an unrelated note, Link can legit chug a 750 ml bottle of potion so harsh it makes you burp red fog. 131 when he's ten!
But yeah, Cloud legit has no way to harm Bowser. 😐 I'm sorry, he just can't, and Cloud's going to be burning to death the entire fight.
😆 ...... wow, good job fan-boy, you just gave me an aneurysm from sheer stupidity. I know that Link can do that, i grew up playing all of the LOZ series, I've beat them all, and that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this thread. post something relevant. The Final Fantasy series revolves a lot around magic, if you don't know what your doing, you get owned. Saying that it doesn't affect Bowser because he uses magic too makes no sense at all. Did it occur to you that Cloud could use ice elemental magic too? Bowser can take his fire and shove it up his ass. Cloud can and will hurt Bowser, your bias fan boy argument makes no sense at all, just because you said Bowser cant be harmed by Cloud doesn't make your statement infallible. Give me reasons why, prove me wrong, don't just say that its impossible.
Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
😆 ...... wow, good job fan-boy, you just gave me an aneurysm from sheer stupidity. I know that Link can do that, i grew up playing all of the LOZ series, I've beat them all, and that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this thread. post something relevant. The Final Fantasy series revolves a lot around magic, if you don't know what your doing, you get owned. Saying that it doesn't affect Bowser because he uses magic too makes no sense at all. Did it occur to you that Cloud could use ice elemental magic too? Bowser can take his fire and shove it up his ass. Cloud can and will hurt Bowser, your bias fan boy argument makes no sense at all, just because you said Bowser cant be harmed by Cloud doesn't make your statement infallible. Give me reasons why, prove me wrong, don't just say that its impossible.
He's banned for a little, so I'll restate what he's said. Of course I wouldn't need to do this if you had read this thread before you began calling people stupid.
First off, you seem to have overlooked that little part at the beginning of the potion statement. I'll quote it for you.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Also, an unrelated note
He didn't say it was because Bowser also uses magic, he said it was because Bowser consistently deals with more potent magic than what Cloud has.
You know, for Ice to beat Fire the Ice would have to be pretty cold. Please don't toss around fan-boy accusations, it happens enough here. ScreamPaste is definitely a fanboy, but Bowser is not one of his favorite characters. Besides, what was the first thing you thought when you saw this? I'd bet it was something like: "Cloud vs Bowser? That big stupid turtle that gets beaten on by a midget plumber? Please, Cloud has a huge sword and fights Sephiroth. Bowser is cake."
The reason why Cloud cannot harm Bowser was because Bowser survived galaxy destruction.
Yeah, Cloud would stand no chance against the Star Rod, but I don't think that's allowed.
Anyway, Bowser has dealt with ice magic, too. Blizzard Midbus, for instance, or one of Mario's Ice Storm items. They deal no additional damage to him, and he's never been frozen. Bowser has never had a problem with temperature. In fact, there is a special move Bowser can use only when he's on fire. It allows him to fly. Set him on fire, and he'll start flying.
Cloud really doesn't have anything that can harm Bowser at all. Mario has already done quite a bit of what Cloud can. Instant Death? Mario has two, Up & Away, and Showstopper, which instant kill enemies. Bowser is immune to both. Time Stops? Both Time Out and Clock Out fail when used against Bowser. Most other status effects fail when used on Bowser. Any other damage spell Cloud uses won't be enough to take Bowser down.
Originally posted by Cyner
For goodness sake people this does not have to be hard. Bowser + [b]Star Rod = insta pwn. [/B]
This should've been said from the beginning and I would see how Bowser beats Cloud.
And Moo, are sure this "galaxy destruction" isn't some house-sized planet exploding or toonforce.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
He's banned for a little, so I'll restate what he's said. Of course I wouldn't need to do this if you had read this thread before you began calling people stupid.First off, you seem to have overlooked that little part at the beginning of the potion statement. I'll quote it for you.
He didn't say it was because Bowser also uses magic, he said it was because Bowser consistently deals with more potent magic than what Cloud has.
You know, for Ice to beat Fire the Ice would have to be pretty cold. Please don't toss around fan-boy accusations, it happens enough here. ScreamPaste is definitely a fanboy, but Bowser is not one of his favorite characters. Besides, what was the first thing you thought when you saw this? I'd bet it was something like: "Cloud vs Bowser? That big stupid turtle that gets beaten on by a midget plumber? Please, Cloud has a huge sword and fights Sephiroth. Bowser is cake."
The reason why Cloud cannot harm Bowser was because Bowser survived galaxy destruction.
On an unrelated note I can chug a gallon of milk in less than a minute.... eat it Link!!!!!
this is from wiki...
According to the Super Mario Bros. instruction booklet, Bowser is a skilled user in dark magic. However, he rarely uses magical abilities. One of the few times Bowser does use magic is in Hotel Mario, where he uses it to summon lightning bolts. Bowser's lightning ability is shown again in the beginning of Super Mario Galaxy when he uses it to summon a spaceship to lift Peach's Castle into space. Another magical ability Bowser uses is teleportation in Super Mario 64. If the player came too close to him, Bowser would disappear and reappear somewhere else, making it hard to get close to his tail. Bowser also teleported to escape after Mario defeats him in their first two battles in Super Mario Galaxy. Another magical ability Bowser uses is to transform himself into a giant boulder during his final fights with Mario in Super Mario Galaxy. Also in Super Mario Galaxy, Bowser (in his second battle), can spin and sprout dark magic fom his fingers whilst spinning that hurts on impact.
I read what he wrote I didn't miss that part I just don't see how it makes any sense. Cloud and every other character from any ff game has way more magic capabilities than this... just play one of them and see for yourself... and yes, for ice to beat fire it would have to be pretty cold, that's why it's ice. Ice, or water, is the advantage to fire in pretty much any RPG game you play. Who's to say that Cloud's magic wouldn't affect him just because he survived a galaxy explosion, or that Bowser's magic is stronger than Cloud's? By the way that whole Mario Galaxy game is toon force, and in the end of the game the stars saved everyone from the explosion, Mario, Peach, etc. Maybe Bowser was going to, or did, die from the explosion, and the stars was the only thing that saved his ass. Even if Bowser's durability did let him survive the Super Nova and black hole, so what? Cloud and the rest of his team survived Sephiroth's Super Nova, and was still able to kill him. Plus, I'm sorry about him being banned for awhile, but its not really an accusation if he admits he's a fan boy, its a title. Hell, I'll even admit that I'm one too. Link is one of my cherished childhood memories, and is probably my favorite video game character of all time, but it still pisses me off that someone would mention him in a thread that is completely unrelated to the topic. And yes, that's pretty much what I thought. Mario is a bad ass don't get me wrong, but Cloud is superior to him. If Mario can defeat Bowser in all of the Mario games by dropping him in lava in the older ones, hitting him in the head with his wind-up toys in SMW, swinging him in a circle and throwing him into bombs (64), and just punching the shit out of him until he falls into the Super Nova in Galaxy, etc. Then yeah Bowser would be cake for Cloud, he'd mop the floor with him.
Yes, coolforce and all that. But you seem to be missing Screampaste's point. He did not say Bowser had more magic or more powerful magic than Cloud, he said that Bowser has been hit with and shrugged off magic that is more potent than Cloud's.
Bowser can defeat Bonechill, a powerful ice demon sealed in the deepest levels of hell. He can defeat Count Bleck, whose primary attack is blobs of non-existence and void attacks. Bowser, in the middle of a hurricane made of dark energy, defeated the Dark Star after it copied all of his abilities. He can even be part of the party to defeat Culex, a guy actually created by Square-Enix as a reference to Final Fantasy. (Square and Nintendo both worked on Super Mario RPG, and Culex is an optional boss that resembles most Final Fantasy final bosses)
That's Culex.
“I am matter... I am antimatter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!”
Anyway, if Bowser is allowed his Accessories and Clothing (I don't see why not), then he gets stats increases and special effects like health regeneration, immunity from status effects, the ability to attack twice per turn, increased critical hit chances, etc.
Really, Bowser just wins.