Lightspeed in the DBZverse

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Even Tien??? Why? O_o

What is this?

When it comes to light speed flight wise the entire DBZ suck ass, its their short burst of speed that is above light speed.

The reason I chose Tien is because he isnt one of the most powerful and his short burst of speed is above the speed of light. We had people much weaker than Tien slapping multiples of light beams out of the air like they were nothing, I'm pretty sure since tien is more powerful physically that he can do the same exact thing but far better.

Originally posted by carver9
When it comes to light speed flight wise the entire DBZ suck ass, its their short burst of speed that is above light speed.

The reason I chose Tien is because he isnt one of the most powerful and his short burst of speed is above the speed of light. We had people much weaker than Tien slapping multiples of light beams out of the air like they were nothing, I'm pretty sure since tien is more powerful physically that he can do the same exact thing but far better.

Who and when?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Who and when?

Goku during the sayain saga. Hell, Nappa slapped light beams out of the air on multiple of occasions. Goku outran a nuclear blast and lets not even name the blast that Super Sayain Goku dodge at point blank range that was fired from frieza finger.

Yeah, tien is multiple of times faster than the speed of light.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah, that happened, in the anime at least, not the manga.

You would not need to be a millionth of lightspeed to do that.

That all depends on how big the object you are trying to see is, as well as the vantage point.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Try to think a little bit harder, guys. The amount that the earth has rotated can be used to calculate how much time has passed.

If the earth was actually spinning, then much more time than 30 minutes should have passed judging from the amount the earth rotated, thus ending the fusion before he would have completed the flight.

Exactly. It's a plot hole in the anime, which is another reason why the anime is unreliable and the manga should be used instead.

Also, Goku was pulling clouds toward him from all over the world when he powered up to super sayain 3.

No he wasn't.

Moving clouds is not anything special in the DBZverse.

If the clouds were moving in the exact same pace at the exact same speed all over the world, there would be some note of it. In addition, if you assume a drag force, they would be moving faster along the trajectory of Gotenks' orbit and slower as they got farther away from it, which is not shown. In addition, we even see them moving in the opposite direction of his flight when he moves back across the planet.

In Dragonball, didn't Goku have an exchange with Jackie Chun that was so fast that no one in the audience saw what happened, so they had to re-enact the exchange slowly? Can anyone find that?

That was Krillin, and I already calced that, it was several times peak human reaction time and possibly supersonic hand movement but nothing more.

When it comes to light speed flight wise the entire DBZ suck ass, its their short burst of speed that is above light speed.

The reason I chose Tien is because he isnt one of the most powerful and his short burst of speed is above the speed of light. We had people much weaker than Tien slapping multiples of light beams out of the air like they were nothing, I'm pretty sure since tien is more powerful physically that he can do the same exact thing but far better.

They are not light beams, they are ki beams. Completely different. Ki travels much more slowly. Do you know the Taiyo-ken (solar flare) technique? That is actual light because it uses the light from the sun. None of the characters have ever been able to dodge that (Kid Goku once anticipated it and grabbed Roshi's glasses before Tien fired it off, but no one ever actually dodged it).

Goku during the sayain saga. Hell, Nappa slapped light beams out of the air on multiple of occasions

Ki beams, which can be tracked and dodged by normal humans.

Goku outran a nuclear blast

It was a ki blast, but the blast radius makes it comparable to a nuclear explosion (there were no actual nukes in DBZ). However the detonation velocity of such a thing maxes out at around 10000 m/s. That's way faster than the speed of sound but way slower than the speed of light.

and lets not even name the blast that Super Sayain Goku dodge at point blank range that was fired from frieza finger.

Yeah, tien is multiple of times faster than the speed of light.

Keep dreaming. No one in DBZ is even 1% of lightspeed.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Exactly. It's a plot hole in the anime, which is another reason why the anime is unreliable and the manga should be used instead.

You already know my standpoint.

Originally posted by Endless Mike

No he wasn't.

Bullshit.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike

That was Krillin, and I already calced that, it was several times peak human reaction time and possibly supersonic hand movement but nothing more.

Care to show your work?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
You already know my standpoint.

I'm not sure I do

Bullshit.

[youtube]3NqKe549l5o

Care to show your work?

Gladly.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=467672&pagenumber=28

Originally posted by me
As for the numbers, peak human reaction time is around 0.15 seconds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_time)

Krillin and Roshi performed 9 actions in 0.2 seconds (kick, dodge, punch, dodge, spit, dodge, punch, spit, dodge), played one game of janken (I'll count that as 4 actions, 3 hand movements with the last one showing their hand, and then reacting to their opponents' hand), then half of another game (2 more actions), then Roshi jumped and kicked Krillin's head (2 more) and landed (1).

Dividing up the first part between them, we get 6 actions/reactions by Roshi in 0.2 seconds. That amounts to a reaction time of 0.03 repeating seconds (around 4.5 times peak human).

Counting the actions of the second part, we get 9 actions/reactions in 0.8 seconds for Roshi (reaction time of 0.088 seconds, around 1.7 times peak human).

Averaging them out, we get 3.1 times peak human reaction time.

Well guess what, looks like I was wrong. Their reaction times for that feat weren't dozens of times peak human, but only 3 - 4 times. Thanks for helping me correct my error. cool

Also, considering the very small distances they move, they wouldn't have even had to be moving faster than sound to accomplish that.

Also, this. 3:35, we have a beam Dragging Broly to the sun in under 8 seconds.

YouTube video

That supports this little quote at starting at 8:20 - the end of it. Also, note that both of the explosions at 8:48 explode at the same time.

YouTube video

There's the substance. Believe what you want, but the proof is right there. One more thing, the American and the Oceandub dubbing for the "faster than the speed of light" line are the same. Therefore, it is not a dubbing mistake.

Anything with Broly is noncanon.

Non-canon, and that was a dub error. The original says no such thing.

Try watching the original Japanese version. Or better yet, read the manga, as it is actually canon:

http://i44.tinypic.com/vscplh.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Goku during the sayain saga. Hell, Nappa slapped light beams out of the air on multiple of occasions. Goku outran a nuclear blast and lets not even name the blast that Super Sayain Goku dodge at point blank range that was fired from frieza finger.

Yeah, tien is multiple of times faster than the speed of light.

Was not nuclear... Mushroom clouds are not automatically nuclear energy, any sufficiently large explosion in Earth's atmosphere will make a Mushroom Cloud. It's still impressive, but once again not even a millionth of c.

Super Vegeto is not even comparable to lightspeed.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Also, this. 3:35, we have a beam Dragging Broly to the sun in under 8 seconds.

YouTube video

That supports this little quote at starting at 8:20 - the end of it. Also, note that both of the explosions at 8:48 explode at the same time.

YouTube video

There's the substance. Believe what you want, but the proof is right there. One more thing, the American and the Oceandub dubbing for the "faster than the speed of light" line are the same. Therefore, it is not a dubbing mistake.

If I gave enough of a shit I could scan the page for you to prove you wrong.

Also, bad logic is bad, seriously.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Single panels of manga do not convery speed that well bro.

I know, right? But, it showed his energy travel lines without a blurred Earth. We can only concur that it occurred at a ridiculousness high speed (because it wasn't instant or else there wouldn't be travel lines.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
I know, right? But, it showed his energy travel lines without a blurred Earth. We can only concur that it occurred at a ridiculousness high speed (because it wasn't instant or else there wouldn't be travel lines.)

It's called a time lapse shot. It's a common technique in sequential art.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It's called a time lapse shot. It's a common technique in sequential art.

It is. I agree. And it was instant, all over the earth, without the Earth showing any fading.

You can call it poor thought into drawing, but I don't have any evidence beyond what we see.

It was so fast, that it was close to instant. That's as best we can get. Any conclusion beyond that is assumption.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Anything with Broly is noncanon.

Cop out.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Cop out.

Originally posted by Kento
Not really....

😐

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Exactly. It's a plot hole in the anime, which is another reason why the anime is unreliable and the manga should be used instead.

No he wasn't.

If the clouds were moving in the exact same pace at the exact same speed all over the world, there would be some note of it. In addition, if you assume a drag force, they would be moving faster along the trajectory of Gotenks' orbit and slower as they got farther away from it, which is not shown. In addition, we even see them moving in the opposite direction of his flight when he moves back across the planet.

That was Krillin, and I already calced that, it was several times peak human reaction time and possibly supersonic hand movement but nothing more.

They are not light beams, they are ki beams. Completely different. Ki travels much more slowly. Do you know the Taiyo-ken (solar flare) technique? That is actual light because it uses the light from the sun. None of the characters have ever been able to dodge that (Kid Goku once anticipated it and grabbed Roshi's glasses before Tien fired it off, but no one ever actually dodged it).

Ki beams, which can be tracked and dodged by normal humans.

It was a ki blast, but the blast radius makes it comparable to a nuclear explosion (there were no actual nukes in DBZ). However the detonation velocity of such a thing maxes out at around 10000 m/s. That's way faster than the speed of sound but way slower than the speed of light.

Keep dreaming. No one in DBZ is even 1% of lightspeed.

Stop bringing up real world logic for a comic.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ki is not light. The Kaiyoken as Mike has already brought up is the only light attack used, and not one person has dodge the light from it.

Was not nuclear... Mushroom clouds are not automatically nuclear energy, any sufficiently large explosion in Earth's atmosphere will make a Mushroom Cloud. It's still impressive, but once again not even a millionth of c.

Super Vegeto is not even comparable to lightspeed.

Again, the combat feats they have with speed is much more impressive than anyone you brought up in this thread.

Mike caculations doesnt matter because comics isnt real world logic, anyone should know this.