Lightspeed in the DBZverse

Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, I'm saying that we can see the entire planet rotating at the same velocity.

Then explain the lack of landmass.

Originally posted by Endless Mike

C. The clouds were fully covering the planet as it was rotating.

What you're proposing is some kind of unheard-of super wind that blows every cloud on earth at the exact same speed in the exact same direction at the same time, and blows them so fast they would be beyond the speed of any hurricane or tornado ever recorded. I certainly didn't see any evidence of that anywhere.

I most certainly did not propose anything like that. I merely think that your explanation was insufficient to explain what was happening.
You know full-well that clouds were not covering the entire planet because we can see the ocean through gaps in the clouds. On top of that, if you believe that the earth was rotating as fast as the video portrayed clouds moving, then much more time than 30 minutes would have passed, and their fusion would have expired. But, we know this didn't happen, and therefore the explanation of the earth rotating is probably wrong.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Then explain the lack of landmass.

It was all covered by clouds.

I most certainly did not propose anything like that. I merely think that your explanation was insufficient to explain what was happening.

Yes you did. It's implied by your explanation.

You know full-well that clouds were not covering the entire planet because we can see the ocean through gaps in the clouds. On top of that, if you believe that the earth was rotating as fast as the video portrayed clouds moving, then much more time than 30 minutes would have passed, and their fusion would have expired. But, we know this didn't happen, and therefore the explanation of the earth rotating is probably wrong.

Obviously the earth was rotating, there's no other way to interpret the scene. If you think those blue gaps were ocean, then they were moving at the same speed as the clouds, meaning the planet was rotating. The white bits (clouds) were not moving independently from the blue bits (ocean), which would be the case if it were just the clouds moving. The entire point is the anime is non-canon and thus unreliable, and it has mistakes like this that prove it can't be used.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It was all covered by clouds.

No, it wasn't.

Originally posted by Endless Mike

Yes you did. It's implied by your explanation.

There is a difference between implying and proposing, and I did not propose anything of the sort. Also, you already know for sure by my last statement that I don't think that, so your argument is moot.

Originally posted by Endless Mike

Obviously the earth was rotating, there's no other way to interpret the scene. If you think those blue gaps were ocean, then they were moving at the same speed as the clouds, meaning the planet was rotating.

So, you really do think that there is no landmass on the earth...

Originally posted by Endless Mike

The white bits (clouds) were not moving independently from the blue bits (ocean), which would be the case if it were just the clouds moving. The entire point is the anime is non-canon and thus unreliable, and it has mistakes like this that prove it can't be used.

🙄

Originally posted by LLLLLink
No, it wasn't.

You yourself admit there's no visible land. Unless you think DBZ earth is all water now. 😉

There is a difference between implying and proposing, and I did not propose anything of the sort. Also, you already know for sure by my last statement that I don't think that, so your argument is moot.

Then explain how your argument can work without implying that as a consequence.

So, you really do think that there is no landmass on the earth...

No, I think it was covered by the clouds, like I just said. Can't you read?

🙄

I'm not seeing a rebuttal here.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
You yourself admit there's no visible land. Unless you think DBZ earth is all water now. 😉

As you can see, in DBZ, the landmass on earth is basically one giant super-continent similar to the "pangea" idea. If this is the case, then all of the land could be on one side of the planet while the rest of the earth is water.
Your move. 😉

Originally posted by Endless Mike

Then explain how your argument can work without implying that as a consequence.

The argument is moot. 😐

Originally posted by Endless Mike

No, I think it was covered by the clouds, like I just said. Can't you read?

And you are wrong. Present a new idea, please.

Originally posted by Endless Mike

I'm not seeing a rebuttal here.

Look harder. 🙄

1. First of all, that's an entire world map, not a half of the world map. Therefore what you see in that map covers the entire planet.

2. So you retract it then?

3. WTF are you talking about? You are making less and less sense here.

4. All you did was post a smiley. You realize that you have no argument, right?

Let's go over this again: You're claiming that only the clouds were moving in that sequence, not the planet itself. I pointed out that if this were true it would imply a wind blowing them around the planet all at the same speed and direction at a speed higher than any hurricane or tornado ever. You ignored this. I then noted that the blue you can see between the clouds is likely the ocean, and it is also moving directly in pace with the clouds, meaning that the entire planet is turning.

Now I agree with one thing, no one in DBZ can FLY at the speed of light but combat, far above it.

Dragonball Z flight is crap but their short burst of speed during combat is so much more.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
1. First of all, that's an entire world map, not a half of the world map. Therefore what you see in that map covers the entire planet.

2. So you retract it then?

3. WTF are you talking about? You are making less and less sense here.

4. All you did was post a smiley. You realize that you have no argument, right?

Let's go over this again: You're claiming that only the clouds were moving in that sequence, not the planet itself. I pointed out that if this were true it would imply a wind blowing them around the planet all at the same speed and direction at a speed higher than any hurricane or tornado ever. You ignored this. I then noted that the blue you can see between the clouds is likely the ocean, and it is also moving directly in pace with the clouds, meaning that the entire planet is turning.

Wow, there is so much to facepalm over in your post, but I'll just say this: "Explain the lack of landmass." That is my argument.
If you disagree with my thought, then show me where the land is underneath all of the clouds.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Wow, there is so much to facepalm over in your post, but I'll just say this: "Explain the lack of landmass." That is my argument.
If you disagree with my thought, then show me where the land is underneath all of the clouds.

How can I show it to you if it's underneath the clouds 🙄

Are you seriously claiming that there is no land on the planet?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Smarter is debatable.

not really.

Being meaner doesn't really mean anything, not necessarily good or bad but I can guarantee you that people would be more wary of pissing off Superman than Batman.

But Clark WON'T get pissed. Batman's willing to get his hands dirty.

Yeah Bruce has weaknesses that Superman doesn't have like human durability, human speed, the need to eat, sleep and breathe.

And yet with those limitations he's STILL caught up with the rest of the JLA.

Breaking the law is also not necessary for Superman to get the job done.

Sometimes it is, actually. There is an 80s comic lying around somewhere in my house where Superman calls upon Batman to help him stop Luthor because the level of spying broke almost every law that wasn't murder.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No you didn't. You didn't give me anything except repeating yourself.

I see no scans with him saying that.

😐

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_Z_episodes_(season_9)

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Wow, there is so much to facepalm over in your post, but I'll just say this: "Explain the lack of landmass." That is my argument.
If you disagree with my thought, then show me where the land is underneath all of the clouds.

whether or not there is alot of landmass doesnt matter its still a spherical planet which means things are still spread out just like our planet there is just a lil less land whats the point your trying to make

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_Z_episodes_(season_9)

Originally posted by dadudemon
I see no scans with him saying that.

😐

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How can I show it to you if it's underneath the clouds 🙄

Are you seriously claiming that there is no land on the planet?

The clouds are moving, smart guy. 🙄

Originally posted by LLLLLink
The clouds are moving, smart guy. 🙄

Indeed. At this point I can't even tell what his point is anymore.

It's actually kind of simple of a point...The clouds are moving, the earth is not...

Originally posted by Kento
It's actually kind of simple of a point...The clouds are moving, the earth is not...

Yeah, I got that from what he was saying, as well.

Then Endless Mike logically countered with something like, "The wind would have to blow retardedly fast."

Not even Neptune's winds blow that fast, so Endless Mike is right.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, I got that from what he was saying, as well.

Then Endless Mike logically countered with something like, "The wind would have to blow retardedly fast."

Not even Neptune's winds blow that fast, so Endless Mike is right.

Try to think a little bit harder, guys. The amount that the earth has rotated can be used to calculate how much time has passed.

If the earth was actually spinning, then much more time than 30 minutes should have passed judging from the amount the earth rotated, thus ending the fusion before he would have completed the flight. 😬