Gamora dancing around Ronan and getting stuffed everytime he effectively used his powers equals Gamora on Ronan's level... But not when Wolverine does virtually the same thing with Thor....
Double standard...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol @ "Wolverine is on Thor's level"
I really hope you don't think I'm being serious.
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine did not do virtually the same thing with Thor. Don't delude yourself. Yes, Gamora slashed and drew Ronan's blood and danced around Ronan. Those are the only similar things. There were other things Gamora did that makes any attempt to parallel the fights laughable.
Gamora dancing around Ronan and getting stuffed everytime he effectively used his powers equals Gamora on Ronan's level... But not when Wolverine does virtually the same thing with Thor....Double standard...
(i) Wolverine did not hold back his most dangerous weapons, i.e., claws, until the very end of the fight like Gamora held back Godslayer. (ii) Wolverine overly relied on ambush tactics and did not stand toe-to-toe with Thor, trading blasts, punches, etc., unlike Gamora doing with Ronan. (iii) Wolverine did not grab Thor and fling him into the air with one arm, like Gamora did Ronan (indeed, that's what Thor did to Wolverine). (iv) Wolverine did not body-check Thor, sending him into the air like Gamora did Ronan. (v) Wolverine did not take multiple hammer swings/full-power blasts, he literally got two-shotted by a single swing and a single lightning strike. (vi) Wolverine didn't exude energies which matched Thor's to provide power enough to reshape a planet, like Gamora did with Ronan. (vii) Wolverine never transmuted a game-changing weapon which forced Thor into using transmutation/energy manipulation that ultimately laid them both unconscious, like Gamora did Ronan. (viii) Wolverine didn't even come close to stalemating Thor, which Gamora did Ronan.
Slight differences, slick. kinda
Originally posted by jinzinNobody thinks you're arguing seriously. That requires meritorious arguments. As I said before, you're simply insisting.
I really hope you don't think I'm being serious.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat proof do you have that ronan wasn't going all out?
Gamora melees Ronan who says he's using his powers at their upper tier when he's not. He effectively stops her when he does.Wolverine melees Thor who says he's giving Logan his best when he's not. He effectively stops him when he does.
The difference? There isn't one.
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Originally posted by jinzinRonan failing to stop Gamora with the upper limits of the Universal Weapon's power =/= Ronan not using the upper limits of the Universal Weapon's power. Stop assuming your conclusion. Ronan didn't stop Gamora until the end, when he was similarly knocked unconscious when he had to deal with Godslayer. They stalemated.
Gamora melees Ronan who says he's using his powers at their upper tier when he's not. He effectively stops her when he does.Wolverine melees Thor who says he's giving Logan his best when he's not. He effectively stops him when he does.
The difference? There isn't one.
You're right Thor didn't give his best. You're wrong Thor stopped Wolverine when Thor gave his best. Because a single Mjolnir swing and a single lightning strike isn't even close to Thor's best. That was a rather ignominious and effortless curb-stomp.
The difference? Multiple, as listed above and not so conveniently dismissible. Another difference? You're making everyone laugh except yourself.
Originally posted by jinzin
Gamora melees Ronan who says he's using his powers at their upper tier when he's not. He effectively stops her when he does.Wolverine melees Thor who says he's giving Logan his best when he's not. He effectively stops him when he does.
The difference? There isn't one.
Ronan was doing his darndest to keep up with Gamora on that fight. He had to tap into powers he's never used before just to keep up and needed a plot device simply to stalemate the fight. If you read that fight, you'll know that Gamora had the advantage throughout the fight which is completely opposite to how the Thor vs Wolverine was portrayed.
Repeatedly insisting on faulty logic doesn't make it any less faulty.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210you mean like insisting Ronan was fighting at his best in spite of not?
Ronan was doing his darndest to keep up with Gamora on that fight. He had to tap into powers he's never used before just to keep up and needed a plot device simply to stalemate the fight. If you read that fight, you'll know that Gamora had the advantage throughout the fight which is completely opposite to how the Thor vs Wolverine was portrayed.Repeatedly insisting on faulty logic doesn't make it any less faulty.
not really.. for one the majority of the fight with thor was a melee contest and Thor was losing it. Sounds familiar enough.
Ronan WAS struggling to keep up.. in melee.. go figure. But there's no denying he had multiple instances of simply stopping Gamora outright using his powers effectively... When he did, he stopped her. Claiming this instance puts her in Ronan's league and therefore above Wolverine to compete is faulty logic.
Originally posted by jinzin
you mean like insisting Ronan was fighting at his best in spite of not?not really.. for one the majority of the fight with thor was a melee contest and Thor was losing it. Sounds familiar enough.
Ronan WAS struggling to keep up.. in melee.. go figure. But there's no denying he had multiple instances of simply stopping Gamora outright using his powers effectively... When he did, he stopped her. Claiming this instance puts her in Ronan's league and therefore above Wolverine to compete is faulty logic.
You don't seem to understand. It's not as if Ronan DIDN'T use his energy blasts, matter manip, weather control, stasis fields, etc during the fight, did he? Even then, Gamora was taking it to him hard and only a plot device managed to stop the fight when she took out Godslayer.
If you think this fight draws a parallel with the Thor vs Wolverine fight, then you're delusional.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Jesus... some people don't get it... Gamora WINS by being superior in virtually every significant way that matters for this particular encounter. It's really that simple.
I agree. This guy's hopeless. He's obviously made up his mind to simply close his eyes and utter sheer nonsense.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You don't seem to understand. It's not as if Ronan DIDN'T use his energy blasts, matter manip, weather control, stasis fields, etc during the fight, did he? Even then, Gamora was taking it to him hard and only a plot device managed to stop the fight when she took out Godslayer.If you think this fight draws a parallel with the Thor vs Wolverine fight, then you're delusional.
What YOU don't seem to understand is this.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Ronan didn't fight effectively. Anyone with a passing familiarity with his power set can clearly see that from examining the fight. The reasoning has been explained to you about a dozen time, you refuse to accept it or even address any of the points that have brought up. [B] HE DIDN'T USES ALL OF HIS POWERS, THE POWERS HE DID USE HE DIDN'T USE EFFECTIVELY. But please tell me more about how Captain Boomerang is a match for the Flash. [/B]
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here's how we know he wasn't going full out, because I can say in a Ronan vs. Gamora forum match "Ronan turns off gravity, and he wins," and I'd be right... and - now correct me if I'm wrong - he didn't do that in his fight with Gamora did he?
It's funny that you use his failed arguments to support your own.
Here are a 2 things to think about:
1) No one can use ALL their powers in a fight. Especially in comic fights. This is even more true with any combatant that has the level of versatility as Ronan does. This is NO indication that they are not fighting effectively. With this kind of faulty reasoning, one can make a point that the Surfer wasn't fighting Thanos effectively in any of their fights because he didnt use all and THEN use this to draw a parallel to imply that the Surfer and Thanos fights were all inconclusive. Get this through your head. Geez.
What's funny is that you claim both seem to read Wolverine comics and then throw an argument like this on the board....
2) So what srank's been saying (and you seem to be advocating) is that Ronan would NEED to BFR Gamora in order to survive against her in H2H? Ronan who has fought high heralds in the past in melee and managed to hold his own? How exactly does this help you argument again?