Gamora vs. Wolverine

^ That still doesn't mirror what Gamora did at all. And Batgirl is irrelevant. We all know she's far faster than Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
lol Says the man who doesn't trust Thor's word when he says Wolverine is faster than he is and is able to shrug off his most powerful blows?

Based on the portrayal of Ronan's powers in the past, he was either nerfed, or he wasn't going all out. Take your pick. If you think that was Ronan going all out fine, thats fine. That opinion is more of a detriment for supporting Ronan in another debate than it is an argument of Gamora winning this one. If that was Ronan fighting at full strength in that example, than a fight with Wolverine would end with results. If Wolverine was plugged into that comic, panel for panel with Gamora, almost nothing would have to change.

Based on Ronan's powers in the past, it just shows Gamora received some sort of cosmic upgrade to be able to match him. Of course... that's all speculation and self-serving since it was never mentioned that she -- oh wait... that's right. It was mentioned. Hmph. And clearly Wolverine shoots energy blasts, oozes cosmic energy, doesn't get his flesh seared off in lava, transmutes Godslayer in his hands, etc. Clearly.

Originally posted by jinzin
that argument makes it seem like you think her durability offers some major advantage but it doesn't.

Well.. Yeah.. because everytime he began to use it effectively she stopped being effective.

There is, Wolverine zipping around in the same artistic interpretation as her, and more impressive, him moving so fast as not to even be seen while people are losing limbs.

I don't understand what you mean to say here.

And it still doesn't mirror exactly what Gamora did. Being fast and strong enough to shoulder-check Ronan with a WHOOOM!

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've shown you where Thor says he's using his most powerful blows and he clearly doesn't... within the same fight. He used to say if he fell off a building, he'd be gravely hurt. He has a proven knack for undercutting himself. Ronan is not Thor.

You mean, just like how Ronan said he was going all out, and clearly didn't within the same fight? 😕

And once again: shoulder checking Ronan is not a speed feat. She knocked him into the air by shoulder checking him, its not a speed feat. Sighting the sound affect and pretending it makes the feat impressive is funny.

^ It's clear that Ronan went all-out. In fact, the environment itself compelled such a result. You're just surprised Gamora, with her cosmic upgrades, could match him.

Yes. As if pointing at a panel with Wolverine's speed lines (when it does happen once in a blue moon) and exclaiming "SPEED FEATZORZ!!!!" isn't any different. I suppose you'd have the same ironic reaction if I were to show Gamora dodging Ronan's blasts via her agility and it's illustrated via multi-images, while on the other hand exclaim "SPEED FEATZORZ!!!!" for Wolverine with similar depictions. There's a different word for "ironic" here... somebody help me out...

yeh.. its called being a hypocritical and all eyes are being pointed at one poster... by the way logan has more similar speed feats then just that one can the same be said for gamora?

^ Hypocritical what? You're so wound up over what you think I'm doing that you don't have your arguments straight. I wasn't unilaterally dismissing Wolverine's speed feat. I was mocking the position of you guys who unilaterally dismiss Gamora's similar speed feats which are nearly identical (minus the strength), but are somehow dismissed because Gamora doesn't have as many appearances?

Let's face it, the only reason you so easily and unilaterally dismiss her speed feats is because she isn't Wolverine or Wolverine-related.

unilateral triple hit combo

actually gamora is one of my favorite marvel characters i have some old school comics with her and the church of truth.. infinity war/gauntlet and infinity watch.. even her new appearances arent enough to say she is better or vastly superior to logan no real evidence what so ever but only the ronan feat. if that was the best one then using your own single standard logan has killed elder demon gods solo who were swirling magic all around them just like ronan did..

^ Clearly.

Post the scans if you're so eager to one-up this proof. And try to use thumbnails this time.

^ ... three panels proves what again? Throw me some links to the fight here. Or at least issue #'s.

Lol, that's what we're still trying to figure out, what does a panel like that prove...

Apparently for some it proves Gamora operates at a whole 'nother level..... but not for most people with a brain in their head. 😬

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine for the majority. Gamora doesn't have healing factor feats that would suggest she is capable of fighting through being eviscerated or having a major organ pictured, and even though she is a green chick who lives in space and gives the majority of KMC a boner she doesn't have any skill feats to place her above Wolverine either.

Like I've said many a times uber skilled fighter have many examples of operating outside of the parameters of their attributes by virtue of their skill, Gamora has never done this. She stalemated Thanos once in a sparing match, big deal, a twelve year old Black Widow got the best of Wolverine once in a training season - is Natasha the best ever super MA now? If you are are going to make an outlandish claim that Gamora is the best in Universe, I don't think its too much to ask for some displays of this alleged skill. She's never fought anyone of any significant skill and won (Wolverine beat her already... and hes pretty much the only person of notable skill she has fought), and she's really never done anything outside the parameter of her attributes. She's an amazing fighter because she was trained by Thanos, and alternatively Thanos is an amazing fighter because he trained Gamora. Circular logic that makes no sense? You tell me.

Batman, Cap, and virtually all the street level MAs are peak humans or around there, who have on occasion beaten and damaged the most powerful and dangerous of enemies by virtue of their skill. They operate above and beyond the limits of their bodies. Gamora doesn't. Relative to her attributes I've never seen her do anything half as impressive as the things street level MA's do on a regular basis.

I think - for what ever reason - its just a popular opinion that if you are operating in space you are by default better than earth bound heroes... which is absurd. I mean, theres a reason that Gamora knew who Wolverine was and he didn't know her, because when your the best there is at what you do, lesser people are always looking to test themselves against you. 😈

Don't know very much about Gamora, but she's knocked around Maxim (Without really managing to hurt him, but still) and managed to make Drax say "Ow" with a spinkick. Those have to count for something,.

wolverine broke hulks nose and has made him yell in pain.. and other bricks like thing..

^ Links or issue #'s? I'm highly skeptical that opponent is even an elder god.

Originally posted by jinzin
Lol, that's what we're still trying to figure out, what does a panel like that prove...

Apparently for some it proves Gamora operates at a whole 'nother level..... but not for most people with a brain in their head.

It's not some" fantastical whole other level ensconsed purely in myth." It's just Ronan's level. Which is above Wolverine's. And although Wolverine's spunky edge and fighting abilities usually let him fight foes beyond his power level, Gamora makes liberal use of same. Frankly, it's a no-brainer that Gamora wins -- not because it evades common sense -- just because it's so obvious.

So obvious it's been debated for over 40 pages now.

logic: Wolverine fought Thor, he's at Thor's level.

^ Insisting =/= debating.

When Wolverine matches Thor in a fight, that'd be a legitimate argument.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Insisting =/= debating.

When Wolverine matches Thor in a fight, that'd be a legitimate argument.

Lol, are you the pot or kettle here?

He did.... and for pages. 😱 So it IS apparently.

^ Dancing around and scratching Thor repeatedly, then getting two-shotted =/= matching Thor.

That's just Wolverine dancing around and scratching Thor repeatedly, then getting two-shotted. Unless somehow I've unintenionally straw-manned your position and misunderstood your nuanced approach to the definition of "matching."

No word games, please. If you believe Wolverine matched Thor equally, as in, he went toe-to-toe with him and the victor of the match, (or a rematch) is in doubt, then lulzgasm^10. I won't even bother with such delusions. If you don't think that, then you bringing up Wolverine's butt-hurt didn't come close to analogizing why people think Gamora's on Ronan's level. Which makes your amusing allusion to an unrelated fight pointless.

lol @ "Wolverine is on Thor's level"

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol @ "Wolverine is on Thor's level"